In a message dated 7/13/2001 3:51:07 PM Central Daylight Time, foo(a)siconic.com writes: << > >Actually, as a learning system I'd recomend an Apple ][ or ][+ over a be. Apple ][+'s do still turn up from time to time. But yes, not nearly as often as they used to. Apple ]['s are pretty rare these days. Apple //e's are almost as common as Commodore 64s. Sellam Ismail >> I'd say that //c models are the next common model followed by the GS. of course, the //c+ is the hard one to get.