12 Mar
2000
12 Mar
'00
8 p.m.
Anyone know if it's possible to fit DOS, a PDP-11 emulator and an RL02
image in 16MB? Here is why I'm asking:
http://www.linux-hacker.net/iopener/
Am I the only person crazy enough to want to turn one of these into a
modern PDP-11 :^)
Zane
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12 Mar
12 Mar
8:17 p.m.
Is this device still available? The page refers to $$99 from circuit city.
(If so I will be taking one home after my US visit next week!!)
Kevin
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From: Zane H. Healy <healyzh(a)aracnet.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2000 7:00 AM
Subject: PDP-11 Emulator Question
Anyone know if it's possible to fit DOS, a PDP-11
emulator and an RL02
image in 16MB? Here is why I'm asking:
http://www.linux-hacker.net/iopener/
Am I the only person crazy enough to want to turn one of these into a
modern PDP-11 :^)
Zane
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
13 Mar
13 Mar
7:38 a.m.
Is this device still available? The page refers to
$$99 from circuit city.
(If so I will be taking one home after my US visit next week!!)
Kevin
According to Slashdot reports they're currently out of stock just about
everywhere. The page on adding a disk mentions it's got a 180MHz
processor, yet I believe the companies page mentions 200MHz.
It's not clear if you can decline to order the
monthly ISP-like
Internet dial-up service, at least $21.95/month for the first month,
if you buy via their web site. If you can get one for $100
from Circuit City without sign-up for the service, away you
go. But it may be that the $100 price is only possible if you
pick up a minimum service contract.
- John
It looks like if you buy direct you're sucked into a service agreement, of
at least a month. However, according to what was said on Slashdot if you
get it from Circuit City you don't have to deal with that, and can get it
for $99. However, people were mentioning having to put down a $20
downpayment because it wasn't in stock, and I gather the $99 is a time
limited deal and it will go up to either $199 or $299.
The chip in that thing is a Pentium180?
Tell me more about this, is the LCD part of it??
Allison
Well, it's not a Pentium 180, it's a WinChip 180 (I've no idea how that
compares). The LCD is a 800x600 passive colour display apparently. It
also has 32MB RAM, that looks like the same RAM used in the iMac.
The company making them is Netpliance http://www.netpliance.com/ and I
think I saw an add for them on the Discovery Channel last night, a couple
hours before I saw the site on hacking a disk into them
http://www.linux-hacker.net/iopener/
Of course the ulitmate would be to use one as both a PDP-11 emulator and
the System console for my PDP-11/44 :^)
I hate both clone chips and Circuit City, but I'm *really* tempted to run
over to Circuit City before work today!
Zane
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| and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
12 Mar
12 Mar
9:09 p.m.
On Sun, Mar 12, 2000 at 11:00:28PM -0800, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Anyone know if it's possible to fit DOS, a PDP-11
emulator and an RL02
image in 16MB?
Definitely! With several MB to spare.
Here is why I'm asking:
http://www.linux-hacker.net/iopener/
Is the $99 for real? Looks like a pretty sweet machine, even if they
soldered the IDE connector on the wrong side of the PCB!
Am I the only person crazy enough to want to turn one
of these into a
modern PDP-11 :^)
Nope, it would be cool! Geez that reminds me, for *eons* I've been meaning
to set up a little Am386 SBC a friend traded me, to run E11 off the flash
disk, the whole thing including the case is about the size of a floppy drive.
Too many projects, no time...
John Wilson
D Bit
13 Mar
13 Mar
2:17 a.m.
Well RL02 is 10mb so that leaves 6mb for the rest. When you say dos I'll
assume PCdos (biggest dos I know) and that likely wants 256-640k the rest
is your rooms for emulator.
My guess, if done right, yep.
Allison
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Anyone know if it's possible to fit DOS, a PDP-11
emulator and an RL02
image in 16MB? Here is why I'm asking:
http://www.linux-hacker.net/iopener/
Am I the only person crazy enough to want to turn one of these into a
modern PDP-11 :^)
Zane
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
3:55 a.m.
Pretty cool, huh? I meant to post this to the list as a postscript note to
the Children's Computers thread of a couple days ago. 99 bucks for a P180
that can be *easily* modified to hold a 2 1/2" HD and can run Linux out of
the box? Perfect...
Aaron
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Anyone know if it's possible to fit DOS, a PDP-11
emulator and an RL02
image in 16MB? Here is why I'm asking:
http://www.linux-hacker.net/iopener/
Am I the only person crazy enough to want to turn one of these into a
modern PDP-11 :^)
Zane
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
4:13 a.m.
At 06:55 AM 3/13/00 -0800, Aaron Christopher Finney wrote:
Pretty cool, huh? I meant to post this to the list as a
postscript note to
the Children's Computers thread of a couple days ago. 99 bucks for a P180
that can be *easily* modified to hold a 2 1/2" HD and can run Linux out of
the box? Perfect...
It's not clear if you can decline to order the monthly ISP-like
Internet dial-up service, at least $21.95/month for the first month,
if you buy via their web site. If you can get one for $100
from Circuit City without sign-up for the service, away
you
go. But it may be that the $100 price is only possible if you
pick up a minimum service contract.
- John
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Zane H. Healy wrote:
> Anyone know if it's possible to fit DOS, a PDP-11 emulator and an RL02
> image in 16MB? Here is why I'm asking:
> http://www.linux-hacker.net/iopener/
4:37 a.m.
I'm not sure, but I was under the impression that because it *is* a closed
system (to non-hardware types) and only runs their QNX client, it would
only be useful to someone using their service. I don't think there's a
contract requirement now, but if everyone starts buying these like crazy
right now to run linux on them, there will be soon!
This was on slashdot.org a couple of days ago...I'm sure this was
discussed on there. If I get a chance I'll check it out...
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, John Foust wrote:
At 06:55 AM 3/13/00 -0800, Aaron Christopher Finney
wrote:
Pretty cool, huh? I meant to post this to the list
as a postscript note to
the Children's Computers thread of a couple days ago. 99 bucks for a P180
that can be *easily* modified to hold a 2 1/2" HD and can run Linux out of
the box? Perfect...
It's not clear if you can decline to order the monthly ISP-like
Internet dial-up service, at least $21.95/month for the first month,
if you buy via their web site. If you can get one for $100
from Circuit City without sign-up for the service, away you
go. But it may be that the $100 price is only possible if you
pick up a minimum service contract.
- John
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Zane H. Healy wrote:
> Anyone know if it's possible to fit DOS, a PDP-11 emulator and an RL02
> image in 16MB? Here is why I'm asking:
> http://www.linux-hacker.net/iopener/
6:01 a.m.
The chip in that thing is a Pentium180?
Tell me more about this, is the LCD part of it??
Allison
On Mon, 13 Mar 2000, Aaron Christopher Finney wrote:
Pretty cool, huh? I meant to post this to the list as
a postscript note to
the Children's Computers thread of a couple days ago. 99 bucks for a P180
that can be *easily* modified to hold a 2 1/2" HD and can run Linux out of
the box? Perfect...
Aaron
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000, Zane H. Healy wrote:
Anyone know if it's possible to fit DOS, a
PDP-11 emulator and an RL02
image in 16MB? Here is why I'm asking:
http://www.linux-hacker.net/iopener/
Am I the only person crazy enough to want to turn one of these into a
modern PDP-11 :^)
Zane
| Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator |
| healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast |
| healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector |
+----------------------------------+----------------------------+
| Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, |
| and Zane's Computer Museum. |
| http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |
12:11 p.m.
New subject: IP Address for Data General Acess
My IP address has changed yet again and will continue to do so. Access
will be hit or miss depending on whether my server is online etc.
The present address is 205.138.39.202
Password is
xcart
then telnet to 192.168.0.25 which is the Data General Machine
your login is
OP
password is
CHRISSY
Have fun and BE NICE I have full backups but that is no excuse to trash
the machine. Also, if you feel like it, see if you can get SENDMAIL
working out to the internet.... Just wishing. I will eventually solve it.
It is a name resolution issue.
There are two FAQs on AOS/VS in the root of the drive. Type DIR : to get
to the root then use the type command to display the files. Please send a
message to the main console when you log on to the machine or an e-mail to
me. You can SENDMAIL OP or you can use "SEND @con0 message text here"
without the quotes to 'instant message' the main console. Thanks and let
me know what you think and how I can improve things.
You must issue a SUPERUSER ON command or some things may not be visible to
you.
--
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Jeffrey S. Worley
Technical Services
Bits & Bytes Computer Services Inc.
1979B Hendersonville Road
Asheville, NC 28803
828-684-8953 - voice 0900-1700 five days
828-687-9284 - 24hr fax
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
Technoid(a)Cheta.net
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12:55 p.m.
New subject: Dynamic Ip address
Before I attempt a REX script on my Warp 3 proxy server I thought I would
ask the group.
I would like my proxy server to post it's IP address to the group via mail
or to my homepage so that folks can allways get in if the machine is up.
The platform is OS/2 Warp, RedHat Linux sometimes, and AOS/VS II on the
Eclipse mini. I won't put a Windows machine on the net just to do this
and am not sure it would work anyway since the spoofing router is running
on a Warp machine.
--
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Jeffrey S. Worley
Technical Services
Bits & Bytes Computer Services Inc.
1979B Hendersonville Road
Asheville, NC 28803
828-684-8953 - voice 0900-1700 five days
828-687-9284 - 24hr fax
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
Technoid(a)Cheta.net
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1:25 p.m.
New subject: Dynamic Ip address
On Mon, Mar 13, 2000 at 06:55:07PM -0500, Technoid(a)cheta.net wrote:
Before I attempt a REX script on my Warp 3 proxy
server I thought I would
ask the group.
I would like my proxy server to post it's IP address to the group via mail
or to my homepage so that folks can allways get in if the machine is up.
Shouldn't be too hard.
Alternatively you could try to get a domain registered with one of the
services that can handle dynamic IP's, like dhs.org maybe. I'm not sure
how they do it but yourname.dhs.org ends up always pointing to the right
IP address.
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4:08 p.m.
New subject: Dynamic Ip address
Before I attempt a REX script on my Warp 3 proxy
server I thought I would
ask the group.
I would like my proxy server to post it's IP address to the group via mail
or to my homepage so that folks can allways get in if the machine is up.
The platform is OS/2 Warp, RedHat Linux sometimes, and AOS/VS II on the
Eclipse mini. I won't put a Windows machine on the net just to do this
and am not sure it would work anyway since the spoofing router is running
on a Warp machine.
take a look at www.dyndns.org. Works for me and it's doable with
just about any scripting language... Rexx or perl under OS/2 should
work if there's no client for Warp.
Bill
14 Mar
14 Mar
2:30 p.m.
New subject: Run my minicomputer 205.138.39.180
Unfortunately I have a dynamic Ip address. I will publish this address
frequently over the next two weeks. Depending on the traffic I receive I
will contiune, expand or wipe the program.
You can telnet to my proxy machine which has a dynamic IP.
Right now it is 205.138.39.180
Your Password is
xcart
you can then telnet to 192.168.0.25 which is my Data General MV4000DC
minicomputer.
hit enter to get a login prompt
OP is your login name
CHRISSY is your password
you should issue a SUPERUSER ON command
if your terminal looks funky issue an CHAR/XLT command
you can view BIG help by issueing an
TYPE :phrackaos.txt
or
Type :phrackaosvs1.txt
both these files will make you expert at AOS thanks to god knows who.
play with the computer.
For short, : is the delimeter between files
dir is equivalent to cd under msdos
FILESTATUS is equivalent to DIR in msdos and can be truncated to F.
Example:
Filestatus
returns a dir of all files in the default dir as does:
F
returns the same thing
TELNET, FTP, and SMTP work to most requirments though SMTP is still
scetchy. the format is the same as unix or any other command line unix
utility.
dir :
will get you to the root dir of the runtime drive
Thanks to Carl Friend for his testing the system last week. To all, he an
his wife are great and knowlegeable people.
The Ip Adress will change fairly often. I will publish those changes when
the machines are online with the subject header MUTANT01 IP =
xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
Have a great night.
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Jeffrey S. Worley
Technical Services
Bits & Bytes Computer Services Inc.
1979B Hendersonville Road
Asheville, NC 28803
828-684-8953 - voice 0900-1700 five days
828-687-9284 - 24hr fax
Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk?
Technoid(a)Cheta.net
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