15 Aug
2003
15 Aug
'03
11:01 a.m.
The Vintage Computer Festival is proud to announce the grand opening
of the Vintage Computer Marketplace, THE place on the web to buy,
sell and trade vintage computers!
http://marketplace.vintage.org
The Vintage Computer Marketplace (VCM) has been designed to cater
specifically to the vintage computer collector. The site features
innovative sale and auction tools as well as inventory tools that
allow you to keep a database of your computer collection online. It
also features a powerful search tool to guarantee you find exactly
what you're looking for. No more searches that return dozens or even
hundreds of irrelevant hits.
At the VCM, you can Buy and Sell using standard fixed price and
auction mechanisms. But we also feature innovative sale and auction
mechanisms you won't find anywhere else, plus the ability to trade or
even put items in your collection up for temporary loan.
Our powerful inventory feature allows you to maintain a database of
your entire collection, including hardware, software, documentation,
books, magazines, even ephemera such as posters, buttons, t-shirts,
etc., in one centralized location. Our input forms are intuitive and
easy to use. Once your collection is entered into the database,
selling or trading off items to other collectors is a breeze. Even
the database record gets transfered, so no additional data entry will
be required, and a line of provenance is automatically created. The
VCM really takes computer collecting to the next level!
The VCM offers one of the most powerful search engines on the web.
Instead of putting in your search terms and then sifting through
perhaps dozens or even hundreds of irrelevant links, you can target
your search to exactly the make and model of the item you are looking
for. We've pre-programmed hundreds of computer manufactures and
thousands of models into our database, and are constantly updating it
with new information. When you do a search on the VCM, you'll always
find what you're looking for immediately.
During our grand opening period, the VCM will be free to use for an
initial period of 6 weeks. After that time, the service will still
be free to use for most users. Visit the VCM website and click on the
"Help" link for more information.
The Vintage Computer Marketplace awaits your visit. Sign up now.
It's FREE!
http://marketplace.vintage.org
This is a live beta roll-out of the Vintage Computer Marketplace. As
such, you have the option of being actively involved in the final
stages of testing and development. Simply check the box in the user
registration form indicating you'd like to be enrolled in the VCM Beta
Tester mailing list and you'll be able to follow all the behind-the-
scenes development and also make suggestions on what features you'd
like to see. This is YOUR site. We want your feedback!
We look forward to seeing you on the Vintage Computer Marketplace!
Best regards,
Sellam Ismail and Patrick Rigney
Your Vintage Computer Marketplace SysOps!
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16 Aug
16 Aug
10:38 a.m.
Looks great!
One thing: you need categories for books and software. Right now it's
all just hardware categories.
And can categories tree off to subcategories? If it grows you'll need
this...
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:38:01 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
The Vintage Computer Festival is proud to announce the
grand opening
of the Vintage Computer Marketplace, THE place on the web to buy,
sell and trade vintage computers!
http://marketplace.vintage.org
12:38 p.m.
Don,
All of this is present now... take another look around. The categories you
see on the home page are only those with products in them, but if you go to
the "Power Search" page (for example), you'll see the full list.
Patrick
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Behalf Of Don Wallace
Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2003 12:29 PM
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Marketplace Grand Opening!
Looks great!
One thing: you need categories for books and software. Right now it's
all just hardware categories.
And can categories tree off to subcategories? If it grows you'll need
this...
On Fri, 15 Aug 2003 12:38:01 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
>The Vintage Computer Festival is proud to announce the grand opening
>of the Vintage Computer Marketplace, THE place on the web to buy,
>sell and trade vintage computers!
>
> http://marketplace.vintage.org
2:19 p.m.
On Sat, 16 Aug 2003, Don Wallace wrote:
One thing: you need categories for books and software.
Right now it's
all just hardware categories.
They're there. In fact, there's a whole category heirarchy for Literature
and Documentation. Look in the category heirarchy for
"Literature/Documentation".
And can categories tree off to subcategories? If it
grows you'll need
this...
That's how it is currently set up.
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23 Aug
23 Aug
11:05 p.m.
New subject: ACCRC really irked me
Alameda County Computer Resource Center has often been mentioned as a nice
place to visit, and a good resource for older computer items. I made a BIG
detour on our vacation and stopped in last Thursday, and they are neither.
No looking, no help, nothing sold, in short please go away. Maybe it was
just the weinie of the day in charge, but it was still a total waste of time.
24 Aug
24 Aug
5:20 a.m.
New subject: ACCRC really irked me
On Saturday, August 23, 2003, at 06:02 PM, Mike Ford wrote:
Alameda County Computer Resource Center has often been
mentioned as a
nice place to visit, and a good resource for older computer items. I
made a BIG detour on our vacation and stopped in last Thursday, and
they are neither. No looking, no help, nothing sold, in short please
go away. Maybe it was just the weinie of the day in charge, but it was
still a total waste of time.
The first time I went, It was great, I left off a fair ammount of
good-but-old-and-unuseable by me stuff, and walked a way with a
AppleIIc+, a great little machine - with
all kinds of goodies.
The second time it was like you said. I think some tax-type got ahold
of them and told them that they were selling without withholding sales
tax. They said the could
only sell to someone who had a resale license. (but they could
'donate' the equipment to me if I 'donated' to the 'pizza fund')
And I
also got the 'scram ya bother us kid'
feeling from them.
7:50 a.m.
New subject: ACCRC really irked me
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
The first time I went, It was great, I left off a fair
ammount of
good-but-old-and-unuseable by me stuff, and walked a way with a
AppleIIc+, a great little machine - with
all kinds of goodies.
The second time it was like you said. I think some tax-type got ahold
of them and told them that they were selling without withholding sales
tax. They said the could
only sell to someone who had a resale license. (but they could
'donate' the equipment to me if I 'donated' to the 'pizza fund')
And I
also got the 'scram ya bother us kid'
feeling from them.
Ron, the first time was because you were there as my guest. And since I
had my collection stored there I was part of the team and was allowed
certain priveleges. All the stuff you walked away with was stuff that I
was entitled to let you take because it was vintage stuff (it would've
been scrapped anyway). And a lot of it you got for free (if not all of
it, I can't remember).
I don't remember about the second time but indeed, if people want to take
a small piece of miscellaneous hardware, it is customary to feed their
pizza fund jar. It is true that they cannot legally sell stuff without
the buyer having a valid resale license, otherwise they would have to
charge sales tax and keep everything above board because they are
obligated to. That is too much hassle for them.
It's not too much to ask for a non-profit organization that is
perpetually running at a deficit. And even then, you still have to be
accompanied by someone who has significant clout there. If you were
to walk in off the street they would boot you out the door very quickly,
and for good reason. If they didn't, they would have a constant stream of
all sorts of riffraff walking in there, making a mess, expecting help,
causing problems, getting hurt, raising their insurance, etc.
Look at it from the point of view of the ACCRC. Imagine that you are a
non-profit with very limited resources, just barely getting by in the
weakest economy in memory, sometimes behind on all sorts of bills, and
having to worry about keeping the business afloat. Now imagine having
over ten years of experiences to determine what does and does not work.
Maybe then you can understand why they would rather not deal with people
coming in off the street to buy stuff.
The ACCRC does have some stuff for the public to come in and utilize (a
free internet cafe for example) but in order to be priveleged enough to
become part of the crew there you must dedicate a LOT of your time to
helping them out.
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9:58 a.m.
New subject: ACCRC really irked me
I understand the reasons for this, but here are
some suggestions for ways out:
Advertize a VCF day out at the ACCRC, if such a
thing is possible. Sellam would have to host <g>.
Heck, I would offer to do it if I lived there.
ACCRC allows _escorted_ visitors for a proper
charge, like $10 / half-hour. Offsets a deficit immediately,
without a necessary sale, and cuts out riff-raff.
And for sales tax, I like the shorthand way, charge a
whole amount, write down what you charged, divide
it up at the end of the day into tax & receivables.
John A.
just my $.02K = $18.35 + $1.65. blah.
11:38 a.m.
New subject: ACCRC really irked me
On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 11:34 AM, Vintage Computer Festival
wrote:
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
Yes, I remember I did visit you as well Sellam.
Well, I paid between $40 and $80, and donated stuff (my stuff may have
been
considered "vintage" as well. I think my brother and I also donated
some time either the first time or the second time. (well only about
4 hours each)
The first time I went, It was great, I left off a
fair ammount of
good-but-old-and-unuseable by me stuff, and walked a way with a
AppleIIc+, a great little machine - with
all kinds of goodies.
The second time it was like you said. I think some tax-type got ahold
of them and told them that they were selling without withholding sales
tax. They said the could
only sell to someone who had a resale license. (but they could
'donate' the equipment to me if I 'donated' to the 'pizza fund')
And
I
also got the 'scram ya bother us kid'
feeling from them.
Ron, the first time was because you were there as my guest. And since
I
had my collection stored there I was part of the team and was allowed
certain priveleges. All the stuff you walked away with was stuff that
I
was entitled to let you take because it was vintage stuff (it would've
been scrapped anyway). And a lot of it you got for free (if not all of
it, I can't remember).
I don't remember about the second time but indeed, if people want to
take
a small piece of miscellaneous hardware, it is customary to feed their
pizza fund jar. It is true that they cannot legally sell stuff without
the buyer having a valid resale license, otherwise they would have to
charge sales tax and keep everything above board because they are
obligated to. That is too much hassle for them.
You weren't there for the second time. I had not realized I needed to
have a sponsor.
I understand about the Tax issues.
It's not too much to ask for a non-profit organization that is
perpetually running at a deficit. And even then, you still have to be
accompanied by someone who has significant clout there. If you were
to walk in off the street they would boot you out the door very
quickly,
and for good reason. If they didn't, they would have a constant
stream of
all sorts of riffraff walking in there, making a mess, expecting help,
causing problems, getting hurt, raising their insurance, etc.
Oh, Rifraff are we?? : ^ ) <<----- please note smiley
Look at it from the point of view of the ACCRC. Imagine that you are
a
non-profit with very limited resources, just barely getting by in the
weakest economy in memory, sometimes behind on all sorts of bills, and
having to worry about keeping the business afloat. Now imagine having
over ten years of experiences to determine what does and does not work.
Maybe then you can understand why they would rather not deal with
people
coming in off the street to buy stuff.
The ACCRC does have some stuff for the public to come in and utilize (a
free internet cafe for example) but in order to be priveleged enough to
become part of the crew there you must dedicate a LOT of your time to
helping them out.
Well it's all water under the bridge... I have moved to Kansas City MO
Sellam, Thanks for your help.
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1:25 p.m.
New subject: ACCRC
It seems that ACCRC should clarify what it is and its mission,
since without such clarification, many people would assume that
it is running a retail used computer business (which they
obviously do not want to do).
Oh, Rifraff are we??
Of course not!
But we can aspire to move up to that.
5:09 p.m.
New subject: ACCRC
On Sun, 24 Aug 2003, Fred Cisin wrote:
It seems that ACCRC should clarify what it is and its
mission,
since without such clarification, many people would assume that
it is running a retail used computer business (which they
obviously do not want to do).
There is a used computer store that rents space and gets stuff from the
ACCRC. They are located at the front of the lot where their operation is
and it's called Tom's Used Computer Warehouse. You can probably request
stuff through Tom that he can then pull from the ACCRC in-flow.
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25 Aug
25 Aug
5:52 a.m.
New subject: ACCRC
On Sunday, August 24, 2003, at 05:15 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
It seems that ACCRC should clarify what it is and its
mission,
since without such clarification, many people would assume that
it is running a retail used computer business (which they
obviously do not want to do).
Hey Fred, you deleted my : ^ ) , :^)
Oh, Rifraff are we??
Of course not!
But we can aspire to move up to that.
24 Aug
24 Aug
7:37 a.m.
New subject: ACCRC really irked me
On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Mike Ford wrote:
Alameda County Computer Resource Center has often been
mentioned as a nice
place to visit, and a good resource for older computer items. I made a BIG
detour on our vacation and stopped in last Thursday, and they are neither.
No looking, no help, nothing sold, in short please go away. Maybe it was
just the weinie of the day in charge, but it was still a total waste of time.
Hi Mike.
At one point they did sell stuff but that stopped over a year ago, and
was limited to website sales. In the distant past they sold stuff to the
public, but that turned into a big hassle. The only people they allow in
to look around are folks who volunteer time.
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