10 Sep
2002
10 Sep
'02
5:26 a.m.
Does anybody have the configuration software for the above device?
I want to connect my older mac phonenet network to the rest;
I know about the localtalk-ethernet bridge software, but I don't
want to hog down a Mac (only possibilities: IIci or SE/30; none of them are
particularly fast).
Carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
10 Sep
10 Sep
8:44 p.m.
It may be available on intel's site, ISTR that INtel bought out Shiva
At 10:24 AM 9/10/02 -0400, you wrote:
Does anybody have the configuration software for the
above device?
I want to connect my older mac phonenet network to the rest;
I know about the localtalk-ethernet bridge software, but I don't
want to hog down a Mac (only possibilities: IIci or SE/30; none of them are
particularly fast).
Carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
11 Sep
11 Sep
10:01 a.m.
At 10:44 PM 9/10/02 -0700, you wrote:
It may be available on intel's site, ISTR that
INtel bought out Shiva
At 10:24 AM 9/10/02 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anybody have the configuration software for the above device?
Thanks!
I found a version of Net Manager for winblows and a version of LanConnect
for Macintosh at the intel site; I think one of them might work.
Now I have another question: How do you connect the Fastpath 4's
DE-9 Localtalk connector to a phonenet network?
Regards,
Carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
10:13 a.m.
--- Carlos Murillo <carlos_murillo(a)epm.net.co> wrote:
I found a version of Net Manager for winblows and a
version of LanConnect
for Macintosh at the intel site; I think one of them might work.
Cool! I also have a Shiva FastPath/4 with no software. Could you
post the URLs?
Now I have another question: How do you connect the
Fastpath 4's
DE-9 Localtalk connector to a phonenet network?
With a standard (ancient) DE-9<->PhoneNet adapter. Barring that, I
have made DIN-8 to DE-9 LocalTalk adapters (my mother had a bunch of
Mac 512Ks and switched from Apple's wiring scheme to Farallon PhoneNet
when she started adding stations at her business. I got the old
AppleTalk adapters). All of my LocalTalk adapters were DE-9-style,
but my HP LaserJet-4ML was DIN-8.
I took an Imagewriter cable, cut it in half and put DE-9s on the cut
ends. The DIN-8s went to "modern" hardware (LJ-4/ML and A-Max II+
board), the DE-9s went to the DE-9s on the old LocalTalk adapaters.
I do not have the pinout handy, but there was nothing tricky. I
located the signal names on a webpage somewhere (I'd start at
http://www.lowendmac.com/ and surf around), and wired them name-to-
name along the cable.
You would need a female DIN-8 connector to go the other way. I
have seen such, but they are not common. They are also a pain
to wire to - very close quarters. I rigged one up to make a DA15
to DIN-8 Sun-3 to Sun-4 adapter... Got the Sun 3/60. Got the Sun-3
optical mouse. Don't got a Sun-3 keyboard.
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5:39 p.m.
At 12:13 PM 9/11/02 -0700, you wrote:
-snip-
--- Carlos Murillo <carlos_murillo(a)epm.net.co>
wrote:
Sure; they're at
http://www.intel.com/support/si/dial/netmodem/software.htm
AFAIK, this software could manage both the shiva netmodem and
the fastpath devices. There is no mention of the shiva fastpath
at the site, except as an example of something that can be
configured using the Net Manager software. I knew as much,
but I did not know that you could do it from the windows
version too.
I found a version of Net Manager for winblows and
a version of LanConnect
for Macintosh at the intel site; I think one of them might work.
Cool! I also
have a Shiva FastPath/4 with no software. Could you
post the URLs? Now I have
another question: How do you connect the Fastpath 4's
DE-9 Localtalk connector to a phonenet network?
With a standard (ancient)
DE-9<->PhoneNet adapter. Barring that, I
have made DIN-8 to DE-9 LocalTalk adapters I took an Imagewriter cable, cut it in half and put
DE-9s on the cut
ends. The DIN-8s went to "modern" hardware (LJ-4/ML and A-Max II+
board), the DE-9s went to the DE-9s on the old LocalTalk adapaters.
I do not have the pinout handy, but there was nothing tricky. I
located the signal names on a webpage somewhere (I'd start at
http://www.lowendmac.com/ and surf around), and wired them name-to-
name along the cable.
Ok, I'll start searching for this.
You would need a female DIN-8 connector to go the other
way.
That would be the trickiest part... I think that I should
try wiring the DE9 directly to a 4wire phone cable; it is easier
to find a phone cable than a female DIN8.
Thanks!
carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
12 Sep
12 Sep
7:51 a.m.
--- Carlos Murillo <carlos_murillo(a)epm.net.co> wrote:
That won't work. The LocalTalk/PhoneNet adapters are not passthrus.
Apple LocalTalk adapters contain self-terminating connectors (the
plastic pip in the end of the cable pushes on a switch that disengages
the internal terminator; PhoneNet adapters use RJ-11s with
external terminators), and both adapters contain at least a transformer,
IIRC to couple the Mac to the network. There might also be a resistor
or two in the adapter. I haven't opened up one in over 10 years.
If you have a spare adapter you wish to sacrifice, you could cut the
DIN-8 off and install a DE-9 instead. If you had enough cable, you
could take the DIN-8 pigtail and put a matching DE-9 on _that_ so you
could recombine the two pieces if you needed it for its original use.
-ethan
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Sure; they're at
http://www.intel.com/support/si/dial/netmodem/software.htm
Thanks!
>> Now I have another question: How do you
connect the Fastpath 4's
>> DE-9 Localtalk connector to a phonenet network?
-snip-
With a standard
(ancient) DE-9<->PhoneNet adapter. Barring that, I
have made DIN-8 to DE-9 LocalTalk adapters
You would need a female DIN-8 connector to go the
other way.
That would be the trickiest part... I think that I should
try wiring the DE9 directly to a 4wire phone cable; it is easier
to find a phone cable than a female DIN8.
9:58 a.m.
At 09:51 AM 9/12/02 -0700, you wrote:
Guys, after all of your comments, I had no choice but to crack
open a Farallon adapter. Indeed, there is a pulse isolation transformer
inside, Farallon part no. HK 9418K. I think that the transformer is wired
up to cancel local listening (as in phones). Makes sense so that you can
detect collisions.
So, can I now go and assume that the DE9 in the Shiva Fastpath has the
same pinout as the older serial connectors in the original mac and the
Mac512K?
regards,
carlos.
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Carlos E. Murillo-Sanchez carlos_murillo(a)nospammers.ieee.org
That would be
the trickiest part... I think that I should
try wiring the DE9 directly to a 4wire phone cable; it is easier
to find a phone cable than a female DIN8.
That won't work. The LocalTalk/PhoneNet adapters are not passthrus.
Apple LocalTalk adapters contain self-terminating connectors (the
plastic pip in the end of the cable pushes on a switch that disengages
the internal terminator; PhoneNet adapters use RJ-11s with
external terminators), and both adapters contain at least a transformer,
IIRC to couple the Mac to the network. There might also be a resistor
or two in the adapter. I haven't opened up one in over 10 years.
If you have a spare adapter you wish to sacrifice, you could cut the
DIN-8 off and install a DE-9 instead. If you had enough cable, you
could take the DIN-8 pigtail and put a matching DE-9 on _that_ so you
could recombine the two pieces if you needed it for its original use.
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