20 Feb
2004
20 Feb
'04
12:51 p.m.
Out of curiosity, what were they complaining about? If it's just the use
of the SGI logo, that's easily remedied (I'll replace it with something
non-copyrighted... wasn't there a picture somewhere on the web of a
Rack Onyx sitting next to a dumpster?).
If, however, it concerns contents, (i.e. hardware hacks to the machine)
that may be another matter... however, I don't see how they could
pursue this, as long as you're not reverse-engineering a PROM. I still
believe you're allowed to take things apart, fix 'em and put 'em back
together again.
I will however, state that I don't have the financial means (or inclination)
to get into a legal fight with SGI over this...
-al-
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-----Original Message-----
From: James Rice [mailto:jrice54@charter.net]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 6:35 PM
To: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: "This old SGI" page - anyone have a copy?
I'm glad to know the "paralegal from hell" hasn't contacted you yet.
"Never Beige" and "The Sgi Addict" bit the dust due to legal threats
from SGI. I have enjoyed your site and hope to see
it online once again.
James
Corda Albert J DLVA wrote:
Since this is actually my page, I should probably see
what's going on...
admittedly, I've kind of let it lapse for the past couple of years,
(things got really busy for a while...). When I first put this together,
it was the only reference out there of this type for SGI stuff (which is
why
I did it.) Now, there seem to be a whole host of SGI
specific sites, so
I never really saw the need to update it... the new sites seemed to be
handling the newer systems quite adequately.
...
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20 Feb
20 Feb
1:03 p.m.
On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, Corda Albert J DLVA wrote:
Out of curiosity, what were they complaining about?
If it's just the use
of the SGI logo, that's easily remedied (I'll replace it with something
non-copyrighted... wasn't there a picture somewhere on the web of a
Rack Onyx sitting next to a dumpster?).
If, however, it concerns contents, (i.e. hardware hacks to the machine)
that may be another matter... however, I don't see how they could
pursue this, as long as you're not reverse-engineering a PROM. I still
believe you're allowed to take things apart, fix 'em and put 'em back
together again.
Welcome to the era of the DCMA. We don't care what you're doing with it.
We don't even care if the law doesn't apply. We just want you to do what
we say or we'll a$$ f!@k you mercilessly [1].
[1] Splendid imagery supplied courtesy of the big business interests that
got this bill passed.
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5:07 p.m.
They are complaining about the use of the cube logo, the Silicon
Graphics font logos, referring to the workstations in plural such as
"Indigo's", using official pictures and not having a disclaimer that the
site is not authorized by Sgi, no products sold here are warranted or
authorized by Sgi and no warranties as far as the accuracy of
information is given by Sgi.
I put the disclaimers on my site, but no one has asked for the logo to
be removed. I don't have the resources to fight either.
James
Corda Albert J DLVA wrote:
Out of curiosity, what were they complaining about? If
it's just the use
of the SGI logo, that's easily remedied (I'll replace it with something
non-copyrighted... wasn't there a picture somewhere on the web of a
Rack Onyx sitting next to a dumpster?).
If, however, it concerns contents, (i.e. hardware hacks to the machine)
that may be another matter... however, I don't see how they could
pursue this, as long as you're not reverse-engineering a PROM. I still
believe you're allowed to take things apart, fix 'em and put 'em back
together again.
I will however, state that I don't have the financial means (or inclination)
to get into a legal fight with SGI over this...
-al-
-acorda(a)1bigred.com
http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html
21 Feb
21 Feb
2:02 p.m.
Graphics font logos, referring to the workstations in
plural such as
"Indigo's",
But that is singular possessive, is it not :-)
Seriously, this is one of those "defend your trademark or
lose it" things; they need to show that they tried to stop
you turning their trademark into a generic name (like
hoover or any of a dozen other examples). I don't think they
can force *you* to comply (although they can certainly sue
you into oblivion for exsiting or whatever it is that DMCA
prevents you from doing).
using official pictures
There I guess you lose. Snap your own :-)
and not having a
disclaimer that the
site is not authorized by Sgi, no products sold here are warranted or
authorized by Sgi and no warranties as far as the accuracy of
information is given by Sgi.
It's your site not SGI's. Can they really force you to
say these things (no big deal if they can, and probably
no big deal for you to say them ... but even so, can
they legally force you to comply?)
Antonio
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22 Feb
22 Feb
6:21 a.m.
On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 01:02, Antonio Carlini wrote:
Seriously, this is one of those "defend your
trademark or
lose it" things; they need to show that they tried to stop
you turning their trademark into a generic name (like
hoover or any of a dozen other examples). I don't think they
can force *you* to comply (although they can certainly sue
you into oblivion for exsiting or whatever it is that DMCA
prevents you from doing).
So how does DCMA affect those people outside of the US? Presumably it
doesn't matter one bit - DCMA, being a US law, can only touch US
citizens, right? SGI might well get upset about copyright etc. but they
can only do what's possible within the law of the country where what
they see as a problem lies.
So if you're a US citizen with a website threatened by DCMA, then
presumably you just archive the site contents, email it to a friend of
yours who happens not to be a US citizen, and have them host it...
ps. thought the US was supposed to be the land of free speech? :-)
cheers
Jules
7:59 a.m.
On 22 Feb 2004, Jules Richardson wrote:
ps. thought the US was supposed to be the land of free
speech? :-)
Haha. That's funny. The "American Dream" died a while ago. Perhaps you
didn't get the memo :(
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8:53 a.m.
On Sun, 2004-02-22 at 18:59, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On 22 Feb 2004, Jules Richardson wrote:
we just get the British Dream here... which is like a cut-down version
of the American Dream, and comprised of all the bad bits... ;-/
ps. thought the US was supposed to be the land of
free speech? :-)
Haha. That's funny. The "American Dream" died a while ago. Perhaps you
didn't get the memo :( 
8:56 a.m.
New subject: American Dream, was Re: "This old SGI" page - anyone have a copy?
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On 22 Feb 2004, Jules Richardson wrote:
Yup, but we can still fight. I just found out it is against the Santa
Barbara city ordinance to park in your own driveway more than 48 hours
as they then consider it to be storage. These people are insane!!!
ps. thought the US was supposed to be the land of
free speech? :-)
Haha. That's funny. The "American Dream" died a while ago. Perhaps you
didn't get the memo :( 
12:59 p.m.
New subject: American Dream, was Re: "This old SGI" page - anyone have a copy?
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Sent: 22 February 2004 19:57
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Subject: American Dream, was Re: "This old SGI" page - anyone
have a copy?
Yup, but we can still fight. I just found out it is against
the Santa Barbara city ordinance to park in your own driveway
more than 48 hours as they then consider it to be storage.
These people are insane!!!
Sorry, can't spend too long on a reply....laughing too much.....
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