At 07:46 AM 3/19/97 CST, you wrote: Douglas, There are some good programs that he can type in and learn in the back of the basic manual. I would recommend that he get a copy of the basic manual and there are also some good books on learning basic on the atari. Check in the newsgroups, there are auctions going on constantly. A good idea for a short little program would be one to create word searches, you know the ones where you have a list of words and a block of letters, and you have to find the words hidden in the block of letters. It was one of my first programming projects, and it came out real nice. He could then start modifying it to print out the answers, and also make the size of the puzzle variable (20X20, 40X40, 20X40.....) This kind of program isn't very big to write, and it really gives a good grasp of variables and how to manipulate them, plus maybe a little disk io if he decides he wants to save them as text files. Another good source of programs is old magazines. Almost all of them had programs that you could(had to) type in, and they range from games to utilities. Tell him good luck, and stick with it. I learned to program on my Atari in 1983, and today I still love to program, in fact it's how I make a living. It's really good to see these older computers still have a purpose and a following of people that realize their worth. Isaac Davis idavis(a)comland.com indavis(a)juno.com