20 Jun
1997
20 Jun
'97
9:44 a.m.
Does any one here collect old microprocessors like 4004, 4040, 8008,
8080 etc?
The oldest CPU type I have is an NEC 8080A. Still trying to figure out
how to make use of it. The legs are pretty corroded (used to live in
humid climates).
I've a Z8001 too, paid more than $100 for it but never used. Maybe
I'll find an Olivetti M20 one of these days...
There's a UK company that used to advertise in the UK version of the
Elektor 4-5 years ago. They advertised the TI9900, NS32032 and other
odd CPUs.
Ben
20 Jun
20 Jun
11:39 a.m.
Does any one here collect old microprocessors like
4004, 4040, 8008,
8080 etc?
I tend to snatch up any old chips I can (old being early 1970s). Of
course, I have to bend the rules for microprocessors, as very few were
released back then.
I do not yet have a 4004, but I do have some early types like the 8008,
Signetics 2650, Motorola XC6800, and probably quite a few 8080s and
derivatives. "Not yet classics" include the AT&T/WE 32000s, Motorola
XC88K, early SPARCs, etc.
I am still looking for some, namely any iAPX 432 chips, MC68012, and a
4MHz 68000 (probably an XC).
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
12:44 p.m.
Benedict Chong wrote:
Does any one here collect old microprocessors like 4004, 4040, 8008,
8080 etc?
The oldest CPU type I have is an NEC 8080A. Still trying to figure out
how to make use of it. The legs are pretty corroded (used to live in
humid climates).
I've a Z8001 too, paid more than $100 for it but never used. Maybe
I'll find an Olivetti M20 one of these days...
There's a UK company that used to advertise in the UK version of the
Elektor 4-5 years ago. They advertised the TI9900, NS32032 and other
odd CPUs.
Ben
I would like to collect them but I can't find any! If anybody has got
contacts please let us know. Thanks
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10:39 p.m.
e.tedeschi wrote:
Benedict Chong wrote:
I have started asking around to find out if anyone has any of these
older chips. Most of the people I have asked have worked with these
chips but so far no luck. HOWEVER, I still have a LOT more people to
ask about them. When I find out something, I'll post it to the
Listserver.
Does any one here collect old microprocessors like 4004, 4040, 8008,
8080 etc?
I would like to collect them but I can't find any! If anybody has got
contacts please let us know. Thanks
-- 
1:08 p.m.
On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Benedict Chong wrote:
There's a UK company that used to advertise in the
UK version of the
Elektor 4-5 years ago. They advertised the TI9900, NS32032 and other
odd CPUs.
You could probably go buy a TI99/4a from a thrift store for a few bucks
and rip the TI9900 out of it and save a couple bucks off of what Elektor
probably sells them for.
Sam
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6:31 p.m.
On Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:08:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
%
%You could probably go buy a TI99/4a from a thrift store for a few
bucks
%and rip the TI9900 out of it and save a couple bucks off of what
Elektor
%probably sells them for.
Elektor is a european electronics mag. I was referring to one of the
advertisers who claimed to be selling these relatively older CPUs.
Anyway, it'd be a shame to rip apart a TI99/4 just for the CPU.
Ben
7:50 p.m.
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Benedict Chong wrote:
Anyway, it'd be a shame to rip apart a TI99/4 just
for the CPU.
Nah, you rip apart a TI99/4 just for fun. (And revenge on what TI did
to stock prices of every other small computer maker back when the fit
hit the shan).
Of course, I won't do so. My fiancee would not let me die for months if
I was to damage one of her sweethearts.
--
Ward Griffiths
"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within
the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." --Claire Wolfe
8:51 p.m.
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Ward Griffiths and/or Lisa Rogers wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Benedict Chong wrote:
Hey Ward, next time I see a $.99 TI I'll buy it and ship it out to you so
you can take your frustrations out on it. I'll even stencil in "saTIn"
on it so your fiancee will realize it is an *evil* TI and needs excorsizing.
Sam
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Anyway, it'd be a shame to rip apart a TI99/4
just for the CPU.
Nah, you rip apart a TI99/4 just for fun. (And revenge on what TI did
to stock prices of every other small computer maker back when the fit
hit the shan).
Of course, I won't do so. My fiancee would not let me die for months if
I was to damage one of her sweethearts.
8:40 p.m.
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, Benedict Chong wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jun 1997 15:08:17 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:
%
%You could probably go buy a TI99/4a from a thrift store for a few
bucks
%and rip the TI9900 out of it and save a couple bucks off of what
Elektor
%probably sells them for.
Elektor is a european electronics mag. I was referring to one of the
advertisers who claimed to be selling these relatively older CPUs.
Anyway, it'd be a shame to rip apart a TI99/4 just for the CPU.
Not really. They're like leaves on a tree.
(At least where I'm at.)
Sam
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8:49 p.m.
Sam Ismail wrote:
On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Benedict Chong wrote:
Oh, thank you for the suggestion BUT I have SEVEN TI99/4A(s). MYproblem
is the 4004 and the 8008 !
enrico
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There's a UK company that used to advertise
in the UK version of the
Elektor 4-5 years ago. They advertised the TI9900, NS32032 and other
odd CPUs.
You could probably go buy a TI99/4a from a thrift store for a few bucks
and rip the TI9900 out of it and save a couple bucks off of what Elektor
probably sells them for.
Sam
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8:52 p.m.
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, e.tedeschi wrote:
Sam Ismail wrote:
Ah shit! An 8008? Sheesh! Just buy a Scelbi 8H and rip it apart for
the processor. Those things are like fleas on a dog!
Sam
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On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Benedict Chong wrote:
Oh, thank you for the suggestion BUT I have SEVEN TI99/4A(s). MYproblem
is the 4004 and the 8008 ! There's a UK company that used to advertise
in the UK version of the
Elektor 4-5 years ago. They advertised the TI9900, NS32032 and other
odd CPUs.
You could probably go buy a TI99/4a from a thrift store for a few bucks
and rip the TI9900 out of it and save a couple bucks off of what Elektor
probably sells them for.
Sam
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21 Jun
21 Jun
3:04 a.m.
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, e.tedeschi wrote:
Sam Ismail wrote:
I thought the 8008 was developed to go into a terminal. And then the
original *user* decided against using it so Intel started hawking it
as a micro-cpu. It must hav made it into SOMETHING that was not a
computer. Someone mentioned thr front panel of a DEC but it must
have been used in some terminals. Anybody know if and which?
As I remember the 4004 was actually Intels first micro-cpu and I don't
know of any commercial product that used them - but I don't know
everything. Any product types and names?
BC
On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Benedict Chong wrote:
Oh, thank you for the suggestion BUT I have SEVEN TI99/4A(s). MYproblem
is the 4004 and the 8008 ! There's a UK company that used to advertise
in the UK version of the
Elektor 4-5 years ago. They advertised the TI9900, NS32032 and other
odd CPUs.
You could probably go buy a TI99/4a from a thrift store for a few bucks
and rip the TI9900 out of it and save a couple bucks off of what Elektor
probably sells them for.
6:20 a.m.
As I remember the 4004 was actually Intels first
micro-cpu and I don't
know of any commercial product that used them - but I don't know
everything. Any product types and names?
Fair Radio Sales had 4004 boards for many years (they have not been in
the catalog for quite a few years now), so someone used them. For what, I
do not know...
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
7:55 a.m.
Brett wrote:
On Sat, 21 Jun 1997, e.tedeschi wrote:
Well, the 4004 for actually designed by Intel for the Japanese firm
BUSICOM who wanted to use it (and actually did) in one of their desktop
calculators (I will find the model number presently and post it soon).
They (Busicom) could have owned the Microprocessor patent but they
decided to sell back to Intel all the other rights to research and so
Intel dominated the early market.
So there
enrico
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Sam Ismail wrote:
I thought the 8008 was developed to go into a terminal. And then the
original *user* decided against using it so Intel started hawking it
as a micro-cpu. It must hav made it into SOMETHING that was not a
computer. Someone mentioned thr front panel of a DEC but it must
have been used in some terminals. Anybody know if and which?
As I remember the 4004 was actually Intels first micro-cpu and I don't
know of any commercial product that used them - but I don't know
everything. Any product types and names?
BC On Fri, 20 Jun 1997, Benedict Chong wrote:
Oh, thank you for the suggestion BUT I have SEVEN TI99/4A(s). MYproblem
is the 4004 and the 8008 ! There's a UK company that used to advertise
in the UK version of the
Elektor 4-5 years ago. They advertised the TI9900, NS32032 and other
odd CPUs.
You could probably go buy a TI99/4a from a thrift store for a few bucks
and rip the TI9900 out of it and save a couple bucks off of what Elektor
probably sells them for. 
10:48 a.m.
At 07:04 AM 6/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
As I remember the 4004 was actually Intels first micro-cpu and I don't
know of any commercial product that used them - but I don't know
everything. Any product types and names?
The 4004 (1 part of a four chip set) was designed for a desk calculator.
It was widely marketed overseas, but I seem to be brain-farting on the name
at the moment...
-jim
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1:21 p.m.
Jim Willing wrote:
At 07:04 AM 6/21/97 -0500, you wrote:
Yes, it is the Busicom 141-PF. You can see a picture of it at:
<http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~e.tedeschi/picts/busicom.jpg>
enrico
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As I remember the 4004 was actually Intels first micro-cpu and I don't
know of any commercial product that used them - but I don't know
everything. Any product types and names?
The 4004 (1 part of a four chip set) was designed for a desk calculator.
It was widely marketed overseas, but I seem to be brain-farting on the name
at the moment...
-jim 
23 Jun
23 Jun
5:49 a.m.
Brett wrote:
I thought the 8008 was developed to go into a terminal. And then the
original *user* decided against using it so Intel started hawking it
as a micro-cpu. It must hav made it into SOMETHING that was not a
computer. Someone mentioned thr front panel of a DEC but it must
have been used in some terminals. Anybody know if and which?
As I remember the 4004 was actually Intels first micro-cpu and I don't
^^^^
know of any commercial product that used them - but I
don't know
everything. Any product types and names?
BC
Yes! I do! I do! (Hand raised, flailing about)
When I worked for John Fluke Mfg. in the early eighties, I used to
repair their 6010 & 6012 audio frequency synthesizers. These used
one 4004 processors for EVERYTHING; keyboard control, display
generation (one led segment at a time), synthesizer latch loading,
level control etc.
It was one BUSY little chip.
Jeff
3:14 p.m.
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Jeff Kaneko wrote:
Brett wrote:
Duh! I knew that - I really did! Now for a VERY serious question -
You - ah - still have any ties with Fluke???? I would be your friend
for LIFE if you could get me a 1722 - huh huh???? I would also want the
Hard Drive option - (heck I am wishing!) And the Assembler disk and the
Fortran disk and the Basic disk! Nicest little box I ever played with.
Nobody else here probably knows what this is but I would also like to get
my hands on a Numeridex 7000. Second nicest little box I ever played with.
Both of these where industrial strength machines. The quantities sold
for both where relatively small. Also they were HIGH priced. Anybody
seen - got - know of them?
BC
As I remember the 4004 was actually Intels first
micro-cpu and I don't
^^^^
know of any commercial product that used them -
but I don't know
everything. Any product types and names?
Yes! I do! I do! (Hand raised, flailing about)
When I worked for John Fluke Mfg. in the early eighties, I used to
repair their 6010 & 6012 audio frequency synthesizers. These used
one 4004 processors for EVERYTHING; keyboard control, display
generation (one led segment at a time), synthesizer latch loading,
level control etc.
It was one BUSY little chip.
4:51 p.m.
Brett wrote:
Nobody else here probably knows what this is but I would also like to get
my hands on a Numeridex 7000. Second nicest little box I ever played with.
Numeridex mainly provided NC Controllers and supplies as I recall. As
such, you might start asking someone who owns a machine shop. Hmmm, if
Numeridex is still in business, you might even ask them who has one in
your area!
5:18 p.m.
On Mon, 23 Jun 1997, Marvin wrote:
Brett wrote:
You've done too much Marvin 8-) Since I just thought of this today and
your message - made me look 8-)
Numeridex, Inc.
241 Holbrook Dr.
Wheeling, IL 60090
U.S.A.
Al Hoyos
800-323-7737, FAX: 847-541-8392
I will be calling them tomorrow - Why do I post this here? in the mid-80's
they were the single largest vendor of - paper and mylar punch tape 8-)
How do I know - I used to work for them. They sold off the Numeri-Power
CNC Programming *division* - I think to some Swiss company that needed a
programming system for thier wire EDM machines. I was the maintenance
department for the earlier software. I will check and see if they still
sell a paper tape punch/reader and tape - BEST backup device ever made
(except against fire 8-)
The reason I liked the 7000 so much was the display. It used a - I want
to say NEC 7202 display chip - might be wrong tho. It allowed vector
graphics and text to share the same screen. You could tell it how much
text and then anything above that was graphics. It took basically plotting
commands to do the graphics. Never did understand why that didn't catch
on!
Also it ran CP/M as well as thier *own* operating system. All kind of
neat stuff.
Now how about a Fluke 1722?????
BC
Nobody else here probably knows what this is but
I would also like to get
my hands on a Numeridex 7000. Second nicest little box I ever played with.
Numeridex mainly provided NC Controllers and supplies as I recall. As
such, you might start asking someone who owns a machine shop. Hmmm, if
Numeridex is still in business, you might even ask them who has one in
your area!
6:36 p.m.
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I fired her up, but without a boot disk, I could not tell if it is
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