Well I'm in a process of setting up an extra IBM 8580 for a neighbor who has a small small-engine repair shop. Problem is that he, like many others in this small northern community don't know a monitor from a TV but want to get into computers since everybody says that if you don't they'll get left behind. Searched for some shop management programs and found that most were extremely overpriced, lacking needed features for a small operation, and for the most part badly written. Plus even the simplest needed some computer knowledge. So now I'm trying to set up a program using an old copy of Paradox for Windows. (Yeah I know many other OS are better but M-Sloth is what they'll be exposed to in this world) I also set up another guy with a P66 but altho he realises the potential uses for his small handyman, roofing business, he treats it like a game machine cause he doesn't really know how to do anything but point and click. The upshot of all this is that now I've had to commit to doing a basic computer course for them and other eager locals. And of course coding the Paradox program. I'm no programmer and the only real coding I've ever done was assembly back in my digital course in 82. All this takes valued time writing, gardening, and fishing. If I give another one away up here, I may as well forget about being retired. In a small close-knit community like this a, NO, can harvest a lot of negative repercussions, especially when you OBVIOUSLY have all this free time. Lawrence Reply to: lgwalker(a)mts.net