29 Oct
2002
29 Oct
'02
2:56 a.m.
Well, amidst all of the stellar and superlative Tales and Stories now
filtering in from Moffet Field, I have one small bummer.
Taking our cue from a recent long and nearly-immortal thread on
Oscilloscopes; sub-Tektronix scopes; sub-sub rack-mount Tek scopes -
Marvin and I concocted a nice visual in-joke. I mounted a working RM503
in the rack with my PDP 11/44 and waited for one of the Listmembers to
notice it and laugh. And I waited.... and waited....
Nobody got it! O well....
If Tony Duell had made his way across the pond this year - *he* would
have laughed! maybe...
But anyway, a Pretty Good Time was had by all, though there was not much
working Big Iron on display - partially understandable when the Logistics
of hauling and loading/unloading and setting up larger systems is taken
into account. And I have the scars and bruises to attest to that.
But next year I'm leaving the scope at home.
Cheerz
John
29 Oct
29 Oct
3:21 a.m.
At 11:58 AM 10/29/2002 -0500, you wrote:
Well, amidst all of the stellar and superlative Tales
and Stories now
filtering in from Moffet Field, I have one small bummer.
Taking our cue from a recent long and nearly-immortal thread on
Oscilloscopes; sub-Tektronix scopes; sub-sub rack-mount Tek scopes -
Marvin and I concocted a nice visual in-joke. I mounted a working RM503
in the rack with my PDP 11/44 and waited for one of the Listmembers to
notice it and laugh. And I waited.... and waited....
Nobody got it! O well....
I noticed the scope in your rack, but I quite reading the scope thread
long ago...
--tom
If Tony Duell had made his way across the pond this
year - *he* would
have laughed! maybe...
But anyway, a Pretty Good Time was had by all, though there was not much
working Big Iron on display - partially understandable when the Logistics
of hauling and loading/unloading and setting up larger systems is taken
into account. And I have the scars and bruises to attest to that.
But next year I'm leaving the scope at home.
Cheerz
John
30 Oct
30 Oct
4:55 a.m.
Wayne M. Smith wrote:
Well I saw it there, wondered about it, but didn't want to display my ignorance
by asking. I think noticed it too, but seeing the scope there I belived it was a
handy place for it if a lot of work was needed to keep the old machines
on top shape.
Nobody got it! O well....
I noticed the scope in your rack, but I quite reading the scope thread
long ago...
2:53 a.m.
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Tom Uban wrote:
Yeah, me too. What WAS the significance of the scope?
(I guess I should have asked John to elucidate when he told me what it was
there for.)
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Nobody got
it! O well....
I noticed the scope in your rack, but I quite reading the scope thread
long ago...
3:14 a.m.
New subject: VCF% Scope put it to rest...
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Tom Uban wrote:
Yeah, me too. What WAS the significance of the scope?
(I guess I should have asked John to elucidate when he told me what it was
there for.)
<elucidation>
There was a long-running, marginally off-topic thread here about a
month ago, on the subject of Tektronix scopes, and especially the
rack-mount versions. It persisted for quite some time and all of
us old-gear-sluts(tm) weighed in on the subject.
Having gotten a Tek RM503 recently, it was suggested by a Listmember
(who, since the Joke flopped, will not be name) that it MIGHT BE FUNNY if
we mounted it in the rack with the 11/44.
I repeat: MIGHT BE FUNNY
Apparently, it was not - even Tony D sniffed at the concept. Oh Well...
That's all that was involved: I (we) thought that it might be a subtle
in-joke to make an obvious physical reference to a ListThread.
But it was not to be....
Bottom_Line: It was a JOKE. The JOKE flopped. I'm SORRY.
;}
</elucidation>
Now - if someone wants to donate an AA11 DAC cardset (or whatever the
model is) I'd be happy to make a nice vector display out of the 503...
hint hint hint
Cheers
John
Nobody
got it! O well....
I noticed the scope in your rack, but I quite reading the scope thread
long ago... 
3:32 a.m.
New subject: VCF% Scope put it to rest...
Quothe John Lawson, from writings of Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 12:16:23PM -0500:
Apparently, it was not - even Tony D sniffed at the
concept. Oh Well...
Perhaps because you should have rack-mounted a logical analyzer
instead...
Bottom_Line: It was a JOKE. The JOKE flopped.
I'm SORRY.
Game over. Play again? :-)
Now - if someone wants to donate an AA11 DAC
cardset (or whatever the
model is) I'd be happy to make a nice vector display out of the 503...
hint hint hint
And, with an A/D converter board installed in the PDP-11, use it as
an oscilloscope?
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4:10 a.m.
New subject: VCF% Scope put it to rest...
Bottom_Line: It was a JOKE. The JOKE flopped.
I'm SORRY.
There is nothing wrong with making a visual homage to a mailing list
thread!
I almost took along a box of casters.
But, like bad puns, those who "get it" won't show much of a reaction.
3:43 a.m.
New subject: VCF% Scope put it to rest...
John Lawson wrote:
Having gotten a Tek RM503 recently, it was suggested by a Listmember
(who, since the Joke flopped, will not be name) that it MIGHT BE FUNNY if
we mounted it in the rack with the 11/44.
I repeat: MIGHT BE FUNNY
Apparently, it was not - even Tony D sniffed at the concept. Oh Well...
That's all that was involved: I (we) thought that it might be a subtle
in-joke to make an obvious physical reference to a ListThread.
But it was not to be....
I have never been accused of not having a sick sense of humor, and I do
think it was funny. And all the more so because so many of the
listmembers attending VCF didn't catch the joke!!! YMMV :).
4:02 a.m.
New subject: VCF% Scope put it to rest...
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Marvin Johnston wrote:
I have never been accused of not having a sick sense
of humor, and I do
think it was funny. And all the more so because so many of the
listmembers attending VCF didn't catch the joke!!! YMMV :).
The joke's on them! HAHA!
(and me too I guess ;)
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29 Oct
29 Oct
3:44 a.m.
John Lawson wrote:
Taking our cue from a recent long and nearly-immortal thread on
Oscilloscopes; sub-Tektronix scopes; sub-sub rack-mount Tek scopes -
Marvin and I concocted a nice visual in-joke. I mounted a working RM503
in the rack with my PDP 11/44 and waited for one of the Listmembers to
notice it and laugh. And I waited.... and waited....
Nobody got it! O well....
I noticed it only on the pictures Erik posted.
http://www.vintage-computer.com/images/VCF5/John%20Lawson.jpg
But I just thought, it was easier to transport this way.
Was looking more on the pdp11 stuff anyway ;-)
cheers
6:02 a.m.
New subject: Whats this nubus card?
Whats this nubus card?
Workstation Technologies card. No idea but I believe it was an early video
conferencing setup. Appears to have an ADB or S-video connector, mini-Din
serial, a three row DB-25. Has a 68030/33 processor on board so it must
have some amount of horsepower in its day. Awesome looking card anyway.
6:05 a.m.
You know, after seeing all these pictures, and hearing about it, I
do hope VCF East ends up in the New England area. I wonder if having a
booth with my VaxStation 3100 m38, DEC 3000/400, Mac SE/30 (with split
keyboard!) and maybe the Sun Ultra1E, all playing nice together, would
look out of place?
--
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--- C & IS Support Specialist
--- Yale University Press
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 905818
6:13 a.m.
You know, after seeing all these pictures, and
hearing about it, I
do hope VCF East ends up in the New England area. I wonder if having a
booth with my VaxStation 3100 m38, DEC 3000/400, Mac SE/30 (with split
keyboard!) and maybe the Sun Ultra1E, all playing nice together, would
look out of place?
No. And one certainly doesn't win the People's Choice award by showing
off a single machine.
6:22 a.m.
New subject: VCF East ? [was:Re: VCF5]
On 10/29/02, Eric Smith scribbled:
Of course not! It's got to look pretty, and be fun. :) My wife (
with a Marketing degree) would be able to help me too.
We don't know when (have to let 'em recover a little), but does
anyone know where VCF East will be held?
--
--- David A. Woyciesjes
--- C & IS Support Specialist
--- Yale University Press
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 905818
You know,
after seeing all these pictures, and hearing about it, I
do hope VCF East ends up in the New England area. I wonder if having a
booth with my VaxStation 3100 m38, DEC 3000/400, Mac SE/30 (with split
keyboard!) and maybe the Sun Ultra1E, all playing nice together, would
look out of place?
No. And one certainly doesn't win the People's Choice award by showing
off a single machine. 
3:03 p.m.
New subject: VCF East ? [was:Re: VCF5]
I vote for somewhere in CT this year, it will give those in the Southeast an
easier drive up (seems like a lot of people in Virginia and PA would attend)
and be more of a median point for all.
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "David A. Woyciesjes" <daw(a)yalepress3.unipress.yale.edu>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:25 PM
Subject: VCF East ? [was:Re: VCF5]
On 10/29/02, Eric Smith scribbled:
Of course not! It's got to look pretty, and be fun. :) My wife (
with a Marketing degree) would be able to help me too.
We don't know when (have to let 'em recover a little), but does
anyone know where VCF East will be held?
--
--- David A. Woyciesjes
--- C & IS Support Specialist
--- Yale University Press
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 905818
You know,
after seeing all these pictures, and hearing about it, I
do hope VCF East ends up in the New England area. I wonder if having a
booth with my VaxStation 3100 m38, DEC 3000/400, Mac SE/30 (with split
keyboard!) and maybe the Sun Ultra1E, all playing nice together, would
look out of place?
No. And one certainly doesn't win the People's Choice award by showing
off a single machine. 
30 Oct
30 Oct
1:36 a.m.
New subject: VCF East ? [was:Re: VCF5]
I vote for somewhere in CT this year, it will give
those in the Southeast an
easier drive up (seems like a lot of people in Virginia and PA would attend)
and be more of a median point for all.
I vote for Washington, DC. The above mentioned people could attend
plus the Florida contingent might come up. (Not to mention it's
where I live :-) )
1:52 a.m.
New subject: VCF East ? [was:Re: VCF5]
I'm still hoping for a VCF-midwest!
-Bob
bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR
Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator
Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace
I vote for
somewhere in CT this year, it will give those in the
Southeast an
easier drive up (seems like a lot of people in
Virginia and PA
would attend)
and be more of a median point for all.
I vote for Washington, DC. The above mentioned people could attend
plus the Florida contingent might come up. (Not to mention it's
where I live :-) ) 
1:56 a.m.
New subject: VCF East ? [was:Re: VCF5]
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Bob Brown wrote:
I'm still hoping for a VCF-midwest!
-Bob
I'll second that, although a VCF 'near' New Jersey *might* be close
enough for me to attend...
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performance was AMAZING! It could actually take longer to run a benchmark
like sieve of Erastothanes with compiled FORTRAN than with interpreted
BASIC."
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http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2040637020924.gif
1:54 a.m.
New subject: VCF East ? [was:Re: VCF5]
--- Bill Sudbrink <wh.sudbrink(a)verizon.net> wrote:
I vote for Washington, DC. The above mentioned people
could attend
plus the Florida contingent might come up. (Not to mention it's
where I live :-) )
I'd rather it be in DC/VA/MD than in CT/NY, but that's because it's
half the trip from Ohio. I can make it to Silver Spring, MD (visiting
friends) in well under 8 hours on the road. CT would be more like 14.
So far, I've missed *all* the VCFs due to either location or bad
timing. :-(
Maybe VFCe next year... haven't been to Germany in nearly 4 years...
time to go back.
-ethan
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1:57 a.m.
New subject: VCF East ? [was:Re: VCF5]
At 10:11 AM 10/30/02 -0500, you wrote:
I vote for DC as well, or at least somewhere close by. It would also give
the attendees a chance to visit the NSA's Cryptologic Museum, which
does have some interesting old computers as well. You can read more
about the museum at http://www.nsa.gov/museum/ .
Cheers,
Dan
I vote for
somewhere in CT this year, it will give those in the
Southeast an
easier drive up (seems like a lot of people in
Virginia and PA would
attend)
and be more of a median point for all.
I vote for Washington, DC. The above mentioned people could attend
plus the Florida contingent might come up. (Not to mention it's
where I live :-) )
29 Oct
29 Oct
7:51 a.m.
At 12:14 PM 10/29/2002 -0800, Eric Smith wrote:
My limited experience (from taking my Imlac to VCF East 1.0) is that it is
not the unique single machine that wins the price, but the machine(s) which
the largest number of people attending have had some experience. If this is
true, the two are pretty much mutually exclusive by nature. I've also found
that more people seem to have had experience with the more recent "personal
computers" than have with older minis, et al.
--tom
You
know, after seeing all these pictures, and hearing about it, I
do hope VCF East ends up in the New England area. I wonder if having a
booth with my VaxStation 3100 m38, DEC 3000/400, Mac SE/30 (with split
keyboard!) and maybe the Sun Ultra1E, all playing nice together, would
look out of place?
No. And one certainly doesn't win the People's Choice award by showing
off a single machine.
30 Oct
30 Oct
3:09 a.m.
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, Tom Uban wrote:
My limited experience (from taking my Imlac to VCF
East 1.0) is that it is
not the unique single machine that wins the price, but the machine(s) which
the largest number of people attending have had some experience. If this is
true, the two are pretty much mutually exclusive by nature. I've also found
that more people seem to have had experience with the more recent "personal
computers" than have with older minis, et al.
Nothing is so vulgar as the people ;)
I'll definitely have to bite the bullet and have one less hour of sleep
preparing before the VCF to have more exhibit categories to award some of
the more interesting exhibits at the VCF that attendees "just don't get"
;)
Normally we have around 13 categories. This year, with the number of
exhibits we had, that many categories would have been overkill, so I pared
it down to one to make it simpler for myself.
Mea culpa, disparaged exhibitors.
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3:05 a.m.
New subject: VCF East 2.0 needs some hype (Re: VCF5: Nobody got it..!)
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, David A. Woyciesjes wrote:
You know, after seeing all these pictures, and
hearing about it, I
do hope VCF East ends up in the New England area. I wonder if having a
booth with my VaxStation 3100 m38, DEC 3000/400, Mac SE/30 (with split
keyboard!) and maybe the Sun Ultra1E, all playing nice together, would
look out of place?
Well, if you want it to be in New England then you must SPEAK UP! So many
people came to me after VCF East 1.0 saying "if I had known about it I
would have come!" A lot of this was my fault, but it's also your fault if
you don't sign up for the mailing list and let me know a) that you're
interested and b) where you live so I can make a good decision as to where
to hold the event so as to maximize attendance.
http://www.vintage.org/maillist.php
This is a very small budget event. There are not tens of thousands of
dollars in it. It runs on a comparitively shoe string budget and I am
lucky to break even most years (if you combine all the VCF nets from 1.0
on up I am still in the hole on it). I can't do the kind of advertising
that big computer shows do, especially if I don't get any financial
sponsorhsip (which has been lacking the last two years). If you know
someone or company that wants to throw a few bucks my way for this, let me
know.
The locations I am considering for VCF East 2.0 are Providence, RI, Boston
proper, or New York City. Basically, somewhere with a large population
center, that is central to a greater population center, and where a lot of
vintage computer enthusiasts would easily find their way to.
The best thing you can do at this point is SPREAD THE WORD. If you know
people who would be interested in attending a VCF East, tell them to go to
the VCF website and sign up on the mailing list.
http://www.vintage.org/maillist.php
Tell them to leave specific feedback that states something to the effect
of "I am really looking forward to VCF East!"
Now go to it!
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5:36 a.m.
New subject: VCF East 2.0 needs some hype (Re: VCF5: Nobody got it..!)
The nice thing about Providence is that the 2 computer museums are nearby
and the Mark I is only an hour away. There is good public transporattion
also, and in the East, a lot of people like that as an option.
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, David A. Woyciesjes wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
You know, after seeing all these pictures, and
hearing about it, I
do hope VCF East ends up in the New England area. I wonder if having a
booth with my VaxStation 3100 m38, DEC 3000/400, Mac SE/30 (with split
keyboard!) and maybe the Sun Ultra1E, all playing nice together, would
look out of place?
Well, if you want it to be in New England then you must SPEAK UP! So many
people came to me after VCF East 1.0 saying "if I had known about it I
would have come!" A lot of this was my fault, but it's also your fault if
you don't sign up for the mailing list and let me know a) that you're
interested and b) where you live so I can make a good decision as to where
to hold the event so as to maximize attendance.
http://www.vintage.org/maillist.php
This is a very small budget event. There are not tens of thousands of
dollars in it. It runs on a comparitively shoe string budget and I am
lucky to break even most years (if you combine all the VCF nets from 1.0
on up I am still in the hole on it). I can't do the kind of advertising
that big computer shows do, especially if I don't get any financial
sponsorhsip (which has been lacking the last two years). If you know
someone or company that wants to throw a few bucks my way for this, let me
know.
The locations I am considering for VCF East 2.0 are Providence, RI, Boston
proper, or New York City. Basically, somewhere with a large population
center, that is central to a greater population center, and where a lot of
vintage computer enthusiasts would easily find their way to.
The best thing you can do at this point is SPREAD THE WORD. If you know
people who would be interested in attending a VCF East, tell them to go to
the VCF website and sign up on the mailing list.
http://www.vintage.org/maillist.php
Tell them to leave specific feedback that states something to the effect
of "I am really looking forward to VCF East!"
Now go to it!
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6:33 a.m.
New subject: VCF East 2.0 needs some hype (Re: VCF5: Nobody got it..!)
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
The nice thing about Providence is that the 2 computer
museums are nearby
and the Mark I is only an hour away. There is good public transporattion
also, and in the East, a lot of people like that as an option.
I'd sort of favor Boston. There are a number of interesting museums in
Boston, including some at MIT. The public transportation system there
is great, and the Attleboro/Stoughton Line commuter train runs from
Boston to Providence, RI. When I visited the area during the summer, it
was only $4.25 each way from Boston to Providence. So you've got access
to the museums in Providence, you've got access to MIT (and the geeks
within), and then there are all those ex-DECies.
I failed to make it up to VCF 5.0 this year because this past weekend
was spent doing scheduled maintenance on my non-vintage computers at
work. Why is it that these state of the art systems give me more
hassles than my classic gear?
-brian.
31 Oct
31 Oct
1:46 a.m.
New subject: VCF East 2.0 needs some hype (Re: VCF5: Nobody got it..!)
On 10/30/02, Sellam Ismail scribbled:
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, David A. Woyciesjes wrote:
I think I'm on that mailing list already, but I'll have to sign up my
other e-mail address, since I'm losing this one... (laid off)
I have machines I could display, just have to figure out something
neat for them to do...
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--- Yale University Press
--- (203) 432-0953
--- ICQ # - 905818
You know, after seeing all these pictures, and
hearing about it, I
do hope VCF East ends up in the New England area...
Well, if you want it to be in New England then you must SPEAK UP! ...
29 Oct
29 Oct
3:51 a.m.
Well, I took an NLS 215 scope. It sold in the first 5 minutes,
inspite of having dead batteries.
I also sold an Amprobe clamp around ammeter for those who want to know how
much power a REAL computer draws.
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Lawson wrote:
Well, amidst all of the stellar and superlative Tales
and Stories now
filtering in from Moffet Field, I have one small bummer.
Taking our cue from a recent long and nearly-immortal thread on
Oscilloscopes; sub-Tektronix scopes; sub-sub rack-mount Tek scopes -
Marvin and I concocted a nice visual in-joke. I mounted a working RM503
in the rack with my PDP 11/44 and waited for one of the Listmembers to
notice it and laugh. And I waited.... and waited....
Nobody got it! O well....
If Tony Duell had made his way across the pond this year - *he* would
have laughed! maybe...
But anyway, a Pretty Good Time was had by all, though there was not much
working Big Iron on display - partially understandable when the Logistics
of hauling and loading/unloading and setting up larger systems is taken
into account. And I have the scars and bruises to attest to that.
But next year I'm leaving the scope at home.
Cheerz
John
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On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
I also noticed the scope in the photos. Even though I thought it was abit
curious, I'm afraid I would have likely made the same assumption in that
it was being used as a vector display.
-Toth
Taking our
cue from a recent long and nearly-immortal thread on
Oscilloscopes; sub-Tektronix scopes; sub-sub rack-mount Tek scopes -
Marvin and I concocted a nice visual in-joke. I mounted a working
RM503 in the rack with my PDP 11/44 and waited for one of the
Listmembers to notice it and laugh. And I waited.... and waited....
Nobody got it! O well....
I don;t 'get it' either. OK, so you put an old Tektronix 'scope in the
PDP11 Rack. But Tekky 500s were sitll in common use when PDP11s were in
use. It wouldn't be a particularly uncommon thing to have near a PDP11
system.
If I'd seen it, I'd have assuemd you were using it as a vector display
device (this was not at all uncommon) and would probably have asked what
DAC you were driving it from (VT11, AA11-K, AR11-K, LPS, whatever). It
wouldn't have struck me as 'odd'.
30 Oct
30 Oct
3:11 a.m.
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
The question is: would you come to VCF UK?
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If Tony
Duell had made his way across the pond this year - *he* would
That's never likely to happen. Heck, I didn't even get to VCF-Europe... 
7:20 a.m.
Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
Well, I definately would come to a VCF in the UK! Anybody else?
--
John Honniball
coredump(a)gifford.co.uk
That's never likely to happen. Heck, I
didn't even get to VCF-Europe...
The question is: would you come to VCF UK? 
8:02 a.m.
John Honniball wrote:
Sellam Ismail wrote:
I would give it very serious consideration...
Dave.
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
Well, I definately would come to a VCF in the UK! Anybody else?
--
John Honniball
coredump(a)gifford.co.uk That's never likely to happen. Heck, I
didn't even get to VCF-Europe...
The question is: would you come to VCF UK?
11:14 a.m.
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Dave Woodman - dave(a)naffnet.org.uk wrote:
John Honniball wrote:
Not good enough.
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Sellam Ismail wrote:
I would give it very serious consideration... On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
Well, I definately would come to a VCF in the UK! Anybody else?
--
John Honniball
coredump(a)gifford.co.uk That's never likely to happen. Heck, I
didn't even get to VCF-Europe...
The question is: would you come to VCF UK?
5:05 p.m.
Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Dave Woodman -
dave(a)naffnet.org.uk wrote:
OK, then, you tell me when and where, and I can give a better answer,
but not before I have more information.
Cheers,
Dave.
John Honniball wrote:
Not good enough. Sellam Ismail wrote:
I would give it very serious consideration... On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
> That's never likely to happen. Heck, I didn't even get to VCF-Europe...
The question is: would you come to VCF UK?
Well, I definately would come to a VCF in the UK! Anybody else?
--
John Honniball
coredump(a)gifford.co.uk
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31 Oct
31 Oct
6:58 a.m.
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
Firstly, _can_ I get to it. I'd want to bring some
toys along, so it
would have to be somewhere not too remote. If it's in the North of
Scotland, then I couldn't get there...
Find someone with a car who will tolerate giving you a ride.
Secondly, who is organising/running it. I make no
secret of the fact that
there are people I don't get on with, and I wouldn't want to spoil such
an event for everone by having a flamefest.
Check your attitude at the door. It's all about fun!
But in principle, yes I'd come. And I'd offer
a presentation on one of my
machines (to be decided, but it would be obscure enough not to win
anything :-)).
We'll give you a special award for coming out of the house ;)
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7:18 a.m.
Oh-Oh, Tony, it looks like Sellam has already selected the venue, and
it's Lybster.
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
Shady Lea, Rhode Island
"Casta est quam nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
Firstly, _can_ I get to it. I'd want to bring
some toys along, so it
would have to be somewhere not too remote. If it's in the North of
Scotland, then I couldn't get there...
Find someone with a car who will tolerate giving you a ride.
Secondly, who is organising/running it. I make no
secret of the fact that
there are people I don't get on with, and I wouldn't want to spoil such
an event for everone by having a flamefest.
Check your attitude at the door. It's all about fun!
But in principle, yes I'd come. And I'd
offer a presentation on one of my
machines (to be decided, but it would be obscure enough not to win
anything :-)).
We'll give you a special award for coming out of the house ;)
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11:41 a.m.
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
I'm imagining Tony showing up in an full body asbestos suit wielding a
flame thrower, cackling maniacally with gleeful laughter as he unleashes
fiery death upon the masses. I can see why he'd have reservations about
attending if the above is a likely scenario; but frankly, I'd really not
have figured him as the type to engage in this sort of grossly
destructive behavior. No, I'm sure it's only my imagination running
wild after having spend one too many years in Hollywood.
The worst I'd expect from the honorable Mr. Duell is that he'd skewer
someone for recklessly powering up vintage kit before properly checking
its power supply by plunging his multimeter probes into the miscreant's
chest... And rightly so!
-brian.
Check your
attitude at the door. It's all about fun!
Easy to say, much harder for me to do. As I said, I would not want to
ruin the VCF-UK by having a flamewar, so the simplest thing to do would
be to keep away. Still, we'll see...
1 Nov
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5:59 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
Oh come on... I'd find something a lot more
painful than the multimeter
probes. The insulation tester probes (with the tester set to 1000V) would
be a good start :-)
The judicious use of the static discharge tester always seems to provide
interesting results...
Dave.
6:29 p.m.
On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Dave Woodman - dave(a)naffnet.org.uk wrote:
Tony Duell wrote:
Pfft...I was always more fond of small photo-flash capacitors.
-Toth
Oh come on... I'd find something a lot more
painful than the multimeter
probes. The insulation tester probes (with the tester set to 1000V) would
be a good start :-)
The judicious use of the static discharge tester always seems to provide
interesting results...
5 Nov
5 Nov
1:23 p.m.
On Sat, 2 Nov 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
More seriously, I've recently endured an HPCC
conference. A couple of
people involved with that were people I don't really get on with. Now, I
_didn't_ cause a public flamefest (and nor did I intend to), but I did
find the whole thing stressful, and not particularly enjoyable.
I would not want to get involved with a VCF if that was going to be the
result.....
Yeah, I wouldn't want you to come if you weren't going to be mature and
adult and get along with people as normal folks do.
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4 a.m.
On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Mike Ford wrote:
Hahahaha. You're lucky i put down my tea before reading that (and so is
my keyboard).
Pat
--
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Information Technology at Purdue
Research Computing and Storage
http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu
http://dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2040637020924.gif
Yeah, I
wouldn't want you to come if you weren't going to be mature and
adult and get along with people as normal folks do.
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What? Nobody from the list is invited?
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11:41 a.m.
Marvin Johnston wrote:
Tony Duell wrote:
There are scads upon scads of normal people, who,
by virtue of being largely alike, are basically
redundant. :)
-- Ross
FWIW, I am not 'normal' and nor do I particularly want to be...
Well said and *THAT* is a sentiment I can not only relate to, but
wholeheartedly support!!!!!!
11:28 a.m.
Yeah, I
wouldn't want you to come if you weren't going to be mature and
Didn't I say this at the start? Fine, we're all agreed that it would be
better if I didn't attend a VCF-UK. I've got plenty of other things to
get one with...
adult and get along with people as normal folks
do.
FWIW, I am not 'normal' and nor do I particularly want to be...
-tony 
2:28 p.m.
Sheesh, if I wanted to be mature and hang with normal
people I could
go to church or something.
That's never helped me with that in the slightest. :-)
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7 Nov
7 Nov
1:44 a.m.
> > Yeah, I wouldn't want you to come if
you weren't going to be mature and
>Didn't I say this at the start? Fine, we're all agreed that it would be
>better if I didn't attend a VCF-UK. I've got plenty of other things to
>get one with...
>> adult and get along with people as normal folks do.
>FWIW, I am not 'normal' and nor do I particularly want to be...
Sheesh, if I wanted to be mature and hang with normal
people I could
go to church or something.
Now wait a moment !
Gruss
H.
--
VCF Europa 4.0 am 03./04. Mai 2003 in Muenchen
http://www.vcfe.org/
3:23 p.m.
Yeah, I wouldn't want you to come if you
weren't going to be mature and
Didn't I say this at the start? Fine, we're all agreed that it would be
better if I didn't attend a VCF-UK. I've got plenty of other things to
get one with...
adult and get along with people as normal folks
do.
FWIW, I am not 'normal' and nor do I particularly want to be...
-tony from any urban center. Must be totally "MAD".
An aged eccentric at the very
least.
Lawrence
lgwalker(a)mts.net
bigwalk_ca(a)yahoo.com
1:56 a.m.
On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
Fine, I can agree with that, but I still expect (or at least hope) that
people who come to the VCF will:
a) not be rude, insulting or demeaning regarding another person's exhibit
b) treat other folks with respect as one would do in any public setting
c) bathe
You indicated that you would come ready to flame people, which violates
expectations a) and b). I've never had a problem with personality at the
VCF. People tend to act much differently in real life than they do on
mailing lists (I know I do).
But at any rate, the success of VCF UK will not depend on whether you or
any other one person in particular comes or doesn't come, with the only
exception being myself (because then it wouldn't be a VCF ;)
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Yeah, I
wouldn't want you to come if you weren't going to be mature and
Didn't I say this at the start? Fine, we're all agreed that it would be
better if I didn't attend a VCF-UK. I've got plenty of other things to
get one with...
adult and get along with people as normal folks
do.
FWIW, I am not 'normal' and nor do I particularly want to be...
2 Nov
2 Nov
5:47 a.m.
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
Easy to say, much harder for me to do. As I said, I
would not want to
ruin the VCF-UK by having a flamewar, so the simplest thing to do would
be to keep away. Still, we'll see...
Why on Earth would there be a need to have a flame war at the VCF?
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30 Oct
30 Oct
5:20 p.m.
New subject: VCF-UK was RE: VCF5: Nobody got it..!
On Wed, 30 Oct 2002, Tony Duell wrote:
I would try to get to one ... but it would depend where and when
[London, Birmingham, Cambridge, Bletchley Park would be OK locations for me
Penzance, Anglesey, Glasgow, Aberdeen would distinctly discourage.
Manchester might be a special case - a long journey, but the chance of
capitalising on probably the most influencial home of computing should not
be discounted.]
Andy
> If Tony Duell had made his way across the
pond this year -
*he* would
That's never likely to happen. Heck, I didn't even get to VCF-Europe...
The question is: would you come to VCF UK?
Sellam Ismail Vintage
Computer Festival 
2 Nov
2 Nov
9:32 a.m.
New subject: VCF-UK was RE: VCF5: Nobody got it..!
The question
is: would you come to VCF UK?
Sellam Ismail Vintage
Computer Festival
I would try to get to one ... but it would depend where and when
[London, Birmingham, Cambridge, Bletchley Park would be OK
locations for me
Penzance, Anglesey, Glasgow, Aberdeen would distinctly discourage.
Manchester might be a special case - a long journey, but the chance of
capitalising on probably the most influencial home of computing should not
be discounted.]
Andy
30 Oct
30 Oct
2:50 a.m.
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002, John Lawson wrote:
But anyway, a Pretty Good Time was had by all,
though there was not much
working Big Iron on display - partially understandable when the Logistics
of hauling and loading/unloading and setting up larger systems is taken
into account. And I have the scars and bruises to attest to that.
John certainly deserves Honorable Mention for taking the considerable time
and considerable trouble to haul an entire PDP 11/44 rack nearly three
hundred miles (one way) to be the only one exhibiting anything that large.
He also deserves a lot of thanks from me and others for acting as
surrgoate transport when it turns out that a couple of us had too much to
bring home and lent the use of the empty space in his U-Haul. Of course,
Hans, as always, over did it.
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