24 Nov
2001
24 Nov
'01
9:56 a.m.
Hi Gang:
I just completed grad school yesterday, and as such am hoping to be back
into classiccmp more regularly!
I noted this afternoon that there are 2 Northstar "Horizons" possibly available
on campus.
I'm not into these S-100 (IIRC) beasts but others may be. Can anyone tell me
something about them?
Anybody interested in adopting them? They're in poor to fair shape, but look
like one could get them going again without too much trouble.
Kevin
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Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD
mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca
1:25 p.m.
Hi Dan:
Thanks. I'm in Vancouver, BC.
Kevin
At 03:56 PM 11/24/01 -0800, you wrote:
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Kevin McQuiggin VE7ZD
mcquiggi(a)sfu.ca
Anybody interested in adopting them? They're
in poor to fair shape, but look
like one could get them going again without too much trouble.
Hi Kevin,
Congratulations on finishing grad school. Where are you located?
Cheers,
Dan
11:16 a.m.
New subject: Lisa Success.....finally...
Well after working on it off and on for over two years I
finally got my Lisa to actually boot up tonight. I've been trying to
put it back to Lisa2 specs vice Mac XL and I had swapped a 400k
floppy back into it in place of the 800k upgrade that had been
peformed. Unfortunately the machine would never power on properly
without the XL screenkit installed. Finally tonight I said the heck
with it and reinstalled all the parts to the XL screenkit and powered
it on, attempting to boot from Macworks XL 3.0 and the Macworks
System Disk (Mac Finder 4.1). It worked! Both disks were 400k disks
and made from images gotten off of the web. I'm tempted to put the
SCSI card/drive back into it and see what I can do with it, though
it'd be nice to still figure out what's going on with the
original-style CPU card and video system and get it working as a Lisa
again.
Jeff
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Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
11:37 a.m.
New subject: Lisa Success.....finally...
Congrats.
I have my own Lisa problems that you might be able to shed some light
on. It seems you've spend more time with the machine than I:
I have what I beleive to be a Mac XL. It might be a Lisa II, but I'm
not sure what the differences are. The system works well enough to
power on and boot into MacWorks - but the mouse doesn't register button
clicks (the mouse is good, and tested with an older Mac). The mouse I
have has a more 'square' mouse button as opposed to the long, thin
'rectanguar' mouse button sometimes seen with these machines: The mouse
is marked:
M0100
*G442MO10006348*
Also, the mouse connector on the motherboard doesn't mate well with the
mouse I have. There are no 'receptacles' to catch the thumbscrews on
the mouse, and there ins't the ususal metal 'band' around the D-Sub
connector on the motherboard. It's either not supposed to be there, or
it acts as a ground and is missing. I suspect this why the mouse
doesn't register button clicks but I'm not sure.
I'll relace the connector with a new one, but only if I'm sure this is
the problem.
Jeffrey H. Ingber (jhingber _at_ ix.netcom.com)
On Sat, 2001-11-24 at 20:16, Jeff Hellige wrote:
Well after working on it off and on for over two
years I
finally got my Lisa to actually boot up tonight. I've been trying to
put it back to Lisa2 specs vice Mac XL and I had swapped a 400k
floppy back into it in place of the 800k upgrade that had been
peformed. Unfortunately the machine would never power on properly
without the XL screenkit installed. Finally tonight I said the heck
with it and reinstalled all the parts to the XL screenkit and powered
it on, attempting to boot from Macworks XL 3.0 and the Macworks
System Disk (Mac Finder 4.1). It worked! Both disks were 400k disks
and made from images gotten off of the web. I'm tempted to put the
SCSI card/drive back into it and see what I can do with it, though
it'd be nice to still figure out what's going on with the
original-style CPU card and video system and get it working as a Lisa
again.
Jeff
--
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
12:15 p.m.
New subject: Lisa Success.....finally...
I have what I beleive to be a Mac XL. It might be a
Lisa II, but I'm
not sure what the differences are. The system works well enough to
Does yours have an external parallel connector or an internal
hard disk or possibly both? I'm pretty sure all Mac XL's lack the
external parallel connector, unless there's an expansion card fitted
for use with the Profile drive, and that it would be like a Lisa 2/10
and have an internal hard disk. Mine's an earlier Lisa 2 with the
external parallel connector, the LisaLite card for interfacing the
floppy drive, and the I/O board with the batteries (though I've
removed mine). Mine has also been fairly heavily modified, with the
addition of the XL Screenkit, 800k floppy ROM and drive (which has
since been replaced with 400k ROM and drive combo), SCSI card/drive
expansion card, and an internal hard disk mounted just above the
floppy. All mods courtesy of Sun Remarketing.
power on and boot into MacWorks - but the mouse
doesn't register button
clicks (the mouse is good, and tested with an older Mac). The mouse I
have has a more 'square' mouse button as opposed to the long, thin
'rectanguar' mouse button sometimes seen with these machines: The mouse
is marked:
M0100
*G442MO10006348*
Standard Mac 128k/Plus mouse. The main variation would be
whether it was beige or 'platinum' colored.
Also, the mouse connector on the motherboard
doesn't mate well with the
mouse I have. There are no 'receptacles' to catch the thumbscrews on
the mouse, and there ins't the ususal metal 'band' around the D-Sub
connector on the motherboard. It's either not supposed to be there, or
it acts as a ground and is missing. I suspect this why the mouse
doesn't register button clicks but I'm not sure.
The original Lisa mice seem to have had an oddball clip
connector. I've not actually seen one though, as I use a Mac Plus
mouse with mine and my Lisa has the more standard D-sub connector
with the screw stanchions. On one of my tests, I didn't have my
mouse mated squarely and it wouldn't move the cursor up or down on
the screen though it would move it sideways. Tightening the
right-most screw on the connector solved this problem.
Jeff
--
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
2:31 p.m.
New subject: Lisa Success.....finally...
Jeff Hellige wrote:
I have an original Lisa mouse here with the "clip style" connector. Its
model A9M0050.
The Mac Plus mouse seems to work for me as well.
>I have what I ...
snip
The mouse I
have has a more 'square' mouse button as opposed to the long, thin
'rectanguar' mouse button sometimes seen with these machines: The mouse
is marked:
M0100
*G442MO10006348*
Standard Mac 128k/Plus mouse. The main variation would be
whether it was beige or 'platinum' colored.
Also, the mouse connector on the motherboard
doesn't mate well with the
mouse I have. There are no 'receptacles' to catch the thumbscrews on
the mouse, and there ins't the ususal metal 'band' around the D-Sub
connector on the motherboard. It's either not supposed to be there, or
it acts as a ground and is missing. I suspect this why the mouse
doesn't register button clicks but I'm not sure.
The original Lisa mice seem to have had an oddball clip
connector. I've not actually seen one though, as I use a Mac Plus
mouse with mine and my Lisa has the more standard D-sub connector
with the screw stanchions. On one of my tests, I didn't have my
mouse mated squarely and it wouldn't move the cursor up or down on
the screen though it would move it sideways. Tightening the
right-most screw on the connector solved this problem.
Jeff
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3:19 p.m.
New subject: Lisa Success.....finally...
On Sat, 2001-11-24 at 21:15, Jeff Hellige wrote:
The system bears the following numbers under the screen:
A6S0200
A6S0204
I can't read the labels above the numbers because the machine is on a
bottom shelf, and I'm recovering from a broken arm =). It's equipped
with a parallel port (?) addon-card and is accompanied by 2 ProFile
external drives which I haven't tested. It also has an internal 10MB
(?) Widget drive and a floppy drive, and no parallel ports on the
motherboard. There is also another add-in card in the card cage which
appears to be a SCSI card, as well as 2 memory boards which I beleive
are 512K each. The system also has what appears to be an aftermarket
'glarescreen' installed. I haven't had time to play with the machine
much yet, but it _appears_ to be functional with the exception of the
mouse.
Jeffrey H. Ingber (jhingber _at_ ix.netcom.com)
I have what I
beleive to be a Mac XL. It might be a Lisa II, but I'm
not sure what the differences are. The system works well enough to
Does yours have an external parallel connector or an internal
hard disk or possibly both? I'm pretty sure all Mac XL's lack the
external parallel connector, unless there's an expansion card fitted
for use with the Profile drive, and that it would be like a Lisa 2/10
and have an internal hard disk. Mine's an earlier Lisa 2 with the external parallel connector, the LisaLite card for
interfacing the
floppy drive, and the I/O board with the batteries (though I've
removed mine). Mine has also been fairly heavily modified, with the
addition of the XL Screenkit, 800k floppy ROM and drive (which has
since been replaced with 400k ROM and drive combo), SCSI card/drive
expansion card, and an internal hard disk mounted just above the
floppy. All mods courtesy of Sun Remarketing.
power on and boot into MacWorks - but the mouse
doesn't register button
clicks (the mouse is good, and tested with an older Mac). The mouse I
have has a more 'square' mouse button as opposed to the long, thin
'rectanguar' mouse button sometimes seen with these machines: The mouse
is marked:
M0100
*G442MO10006348*
Standard Mac 128k/Plus mouse. The main variation would be
whether it was beige or 'platinum' colored.
Also, the mouse connector on the motherboard
doesn't mate well with the
mouse I have. There are no 'receptacles' to catch the thumbscrews on
the mouse, and there ins't the ususal metal 'band' around the D-Sub
connector on the motherboard. It's either not supposed to be there, or
it acts as a ground and is missing. I suspect this why the mouse
doesn't register button clicks but I'm not sure.
The original Lisa mice seem to have had an oddball clip
connector. I've not actually seen one though, as I use a Mac Plus
mouse with mine and my Lisa has the more standard D-sub connector
with the screw stanchions. On one of my tests, I didn't have my
mouse mated squarely and it wouldn't move the cursor up or down on
the screen though it would move it sideways. Tightening the
right-most screw on the connector solved this problem.
Jeff
--
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
4:11 p.m.
New subject: Lisa Success.....finally...
The original Lisa mice seem to have had an oddball
clip
connector. I've not actually seen one though, as I use a Mac Plus
mouse with mine and my Lisa has the more standard D-sub connector
with the screw stanchions. On one of my tests, I didn't have my
mouse mated squarely and it wouldn't move the cursor up or down on
the screen though it would move it sideways. Tightening the
right-most screw on the connector solved this problem.
Jeff
--
I have similar Lisa Mouse problems. The mouse, which previously worked,
moves vertically but not horizontally. When you boot up the machine the
mouse pointer starts out on the far left side of the screen but won't
move to the right.
I have opened the mouse and there is no problem with the rollers, and I
have also traced the wires from the Lisa connector to the 6-pin internal
connector in the mouse and there are no breaks. The IR paths also
appear clear, but who knows.
If you isolate and spin the spoked wheel that should move the mouse
horizontally, the arrow jerks around a bit, but does not move off the
left border. I have tried using a Mac 128K mouse, and can with that I
don't get any movement in either direction.
Any ideas, or do I have a board level problem. (I do have that nasty
battery corrosion condition.)
-W
25 Nov
25 Nov
3:45 a.m.
New subject: Lisa Success.....finally...
Any ideas, or do I have a board level problem. (I do
have that nasty
battery corrosion condition.)
Thankfully I took the battery pack out of mine before it
messed up the board. If you're having mouse problems though and you
know it's making good contact on the connector and that the mouse is
good, I'd carefully check the traces on the mainboard coming in from
the mouse port. The mouseport is close enough to the batteries that
the acid could've eaten away enough at one or more of the traces so
that the mouse wouldn't function correctly.
I replaced the SCSI hard disk on the SCSI card in the Lisa
with an Apple-ROM Quantum 80MB drive and transferred the stuff from
the external System 6 drive onto the new internal drive. It works
great now, booting System 6 from the Quantum internal.
Unfortunately, I only got one of the two partitions transferred over
from the external disk before it crapped out, so I only
got a few of
the apps moved over. Oh well...it was an ancient ST-225N that just
sat for a number of years on my shelf. I was able to reinitialize it
using FWB HDtoolbox on my Powerbook.
Jeff
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Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
5:37 a.m.
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24 Nov
2:42 p.m.
New subject: Lisa Success.....finally...
Congrats.
I have my own Lisa problems that you might be able to shed some light
on. It seems you've spend more time with the machine than I:
I have what I beleive to be a Mac XL. It might be a Lisa II, but I'm
not sure what the differences are. The system works well enough to
I've been messing around with mine some more and put the SCSI
card/drive back into it and created a disk for MacWorks Plus, since
that's what is needed to recognize the SCSI drive. I used my Color
Classic for that. I booted it from various system floppies but was
having some trouble because they were too old of a System
folder/finder, as MacWorks Plus wants System 6. Finally I took an
external hard disk that I've used in the past on my Mac PLUS, and
which I knew had System 6.0.3 on it, and hooked it up to the SCSI
board in the Lisa. It booted off of it just fine! Unfortunately I
still haven't gotten the Lisa's internal SCSI drive to show up yet.
Oddly as well, the Lisa keeps wanting to turn itself on ever few
minutes unless I unplug it.
Jeff
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Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
4:12 p.m.
New subject: Lisa Success.....finally...
Jeff Hellige wrote:
It booted off of it just fine! Unfortunately I
still haven't gotten the Lisa's internal SCSI drive to show up yet.
Oddly as well, the Lisa keeps wanting to turn itself on ever few
minutes unless I unplug it.
It must be possessed! Keep a sharp ear out for strange moans from the
HD, and floppies that never erase!
Ben Franchuk.
25 Nov
25 Nov
3:47 a.m.
New subject: Lisa Success.....finally...
Jeff Hellige wrote:
Since there's always power applied to the Lisa when it's
plugged in, my first though would be something with the powerswitch.
At least it's working now.
Jeff
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Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
It booted off of it just fine! Unfortunately I
still haven't gotten the Lisa's internal SCSI drive to show up yet.
Oddly as well, the Lisa keeps wanting to turn itself on ever few
minutes unless I unplug it.
It must be possessed! Keep a sharp ear out for strange moans from the
HD, and floppies that never erase!
5:17 a.m.
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