10 Sep
2001
10 Sep
'01
8:36 a.m.
The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill
He will have to read it a couple of times but damn if it isn't the best one.
--Chuck
At 06:44 AM 9/10/01, you wrote:
I'd like to get some recommendations from the list
for a good introductory
electronics book for my 14 year-old son. He's interested in building an
intercom system (and other circuits) that he got off the Web, and I would
like something for him to read that will give him a good understanding of
how the circuit works. (For example, it uses the primary windings of a
120V:12V transformer as a coil.) TIA.
10 Sep
10 Sep
8:51 a.m.
Chuck McManis wrote:
The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill
Great book, but definitely NOT as an introductory book.
Suggest he starts out with the electronics basic books from Radio Shack...
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9:48 a.m.
New subject: Mac Plus as a webserver...
Check out this 4meg Mac Plus acting as a webserver. On topic
since the Mac Plus was introduced in 1986.
http://macplus.schoolvision.com/
Jeff
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10:57 a.m.
New subject: Atari 800 Webserver (Was Mac Plus webserver...)
Jeff,
I've got one better for you, a 1979 Atari 800 being used as a webserver:
http://kl.net/atari/
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hellige" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 2:48 PM
Subject: Mac Plus as a webserver...
Check out this 4meg Mac Plus acting as a webserver.
On topic
since the Mac Plus was introduced in 1986.
http://macplus.schoolvision.com/
Jeff
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12:06 p.m.
New subject: Atari 800 Webserver (Was Mac Plus webserver...)
Jeff,
I've got one better for you, a 1979 Atari 800 being used as a webserver:
http://kl.net/atari/
Curt
Curt,
Yes, I've seen the Atari 800 page before. The thing about
the Plus though is that it is actually running the Appletalk
networking protocals and the SE/30 is only acting as a bridge/gateway
to the TCP/IP ethernet LAN. Granted, it doesn't make much sense to
use the more powerful machine only as a gateway in that case, but
it's interesting to see that the webserver software still runs on
such a lowend machine. I seem to recall that there was a TRS-80
Model IV online at one point in much the same way the Atari 800 is.
Jeff
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4:07 p.m.
New subject: Atari 800 Webserver (Was Mac Plus webserver...)
Curt Vendel skrev:
I've got one better for you, a 1979 Atari 800
being used as a webserver:
http://kl.net/atari/
Well, that's no real web server. After all, it doesn't answer to TCP/IP calls,
it's more like a CGI script running on a 6502.
IMHO, of course.
Mind you, I think it could be done for real. There are after all TCP/IP
packages for a lot of 8-bitters nowadays.
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You are the logical type and hate disorder. This nitpicking is
sickening to your friends. You are cold and unemotional and
sometimes fall asleep while making love. Virgos make good bus
drivers.
4:22 p.m.
New subject: Atari 800 Webserver (Was Mac Plus webserver...)
Yeah.... I know its a kinda kludgy way of doing it, but its cool nonetheless
:-)
Curt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se>
To: "Curt Vendel" <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Atari 800 Webserver (Was Mac Plus webserver...)
Curt Vendel skrev:
> I've got one better for you, a 1979 Atari 800 being used as a
webserver:
Well, that's no real web server. After all, it doesn't answer to TCP/IP
calls,
it's more like a CGI script running on a 6502.
IMHO, of course.
Mind you, I think it could be done for real. There are after all TCP/IP
packages for a lot of 8-bitters nowadays.
--
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VIRGO (Aug 23 - Sept 22)
You are the logical type and hate disorder. This nitpicking is
sickening to your friends. You are cold and unemotional and
sometimes fall asleep while making love. Virgos make good bus
drivers.
12 Sep
12 Sep
2:14 p.m.
New subject: Mac Plus as a webserver...
Jeff Hellige skrev:
Check out this 4meg Mac Plus acting as a webserver.
On topic
since the Mac Plus was introduced in 1986.
A few years ago, there was a Mac consultant firm here which ran a competition
called "Hack a Mac" or something to that effect, in which you could win X
thousand if you managed to alter the front page on their Mac-based WWW server.
IIRC, this server ran on a PowerMac, but they also had a WWW server running on
a Mac SE, which is more or less the same as a Plus, only with ADB. They used
it as a demo of the Mac's long-lasting potential.
--
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7:43 p.m.
New subject: Mac Plus as a webserver...
On 13 Sep 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote:
Jeff Hellige skrev:
Interesting Iggy, but cut to the punchline. Did anyone win their
competition, and what dis they do?
- don
Check out this 4meg Mac Plus acting as a
webserver. On topic
since the Mac Plus was introduced in 1986.
A few years ago, there was a Mac consultant firm here which ran a competition
called "Hack a Mac" or something to that effect, in which you could win X
thousand if you managed to alter the front page on their Mac-based WWW server.
IIRC, this server ran on a PowerMac, but they also had a WWW server running on
a Mac SE, which is more or less the same as a Plus, only with ADB. They used
it as a demo of the Mac's long-lasting potential. --
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
Iggy tipsar: Koppla aldrig en C128-transformator till en A500. ?ven om
kontakterna ser likadana ut, ligger sp?nningarna fel.
13 Sep
13 Sep
2:06 p.m.
New subject: Mac Plus as a webserver...
Don Maslin skrev:
On 13 Sep 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote:
> Jeff Hellige skrev:
>
> > Check out this 4meg Mac Plus acting as a webserver. On topic
> >since the Mac Plus was introduced in 1986.
>
> > http://macplus.schoolvision.com/
>
> A few years ago, there was a Mac consultant firm here which ran a
> competition called "Hack a Mac" or something to that effect, in which you
> could win X thousand if you managed to alter the front page on their
> Mac-based WWW server. IIRC, this server ran on a PowerMac, but they also
> had a WWW server running on a Mac SE, which is more or less the same as a
> Plus, only with ADB. They used it as a demo of the Mac's long-lasting
> potential.
Interesting Iggy, but cut to the punchline. Did anyone
win their
competition, and what dis they do?
Well, the web server is OT for several years yet, but someone finally did
manage to do it, IIRC by exploiting some obscure Appletalk bug.
They really had an unfair setup, though. Hacking any machine would have been
difficult in that environment.
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12 Sep
12 Sep
8:58 p.m.
New subject: Mac Plus as a webserver...
Isn't the SE an 030 Mac? The Plus is only a 68000.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Iggy Drougge wrote:
but they also had a WWW server running on
a Mac SE, which is more or less the same as a Plus, only with ADB. They used
it as a demo of the Mac's long-lasting potential.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
13 Sep
13 Sep
7:25 a.m.
New subject: Mac Plus as a webserver...
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 01:58:57AM -0400, Chad Fernandez wrote:
Isn't the SE an 030 Mac? The Plus is only a
68000.
An SE was a Plus with a fan, a different floppy disk, a second drive
bay for either a HD or second floppy (which, with the external floppy
jack was the only Mac that could do 3 floppies using stock Apple
hardware), it had an internal expansion connector (supposedly "SE"
stood for "System Expansion", not "Slightly Enhanced"), and it
didn't
have the Plus's analogue board problems. Yes, it also had ADB (but
hard power switch, not soft as with Mac IIs).
The SE/30 was an SE with a 16 (?) MHz 68030.
-kb, the now Linux-y Kent who could once name every model Macintosh
ever sold--but that was a long time ago when the total list was less
than 2 dozen items long.
8:54 a.m.
New subject: Mac Plus as a webserver...
If I remember correctly, Apple had originally planned on using the x (Mac
IIx, etc.) to designate an updated version of a machine, but decided not to
name the SE/30 the SEx for obvious reasons. Interesting bit of trivia.
Zach
The SE/30 was an SE with a 16 (?) MHz 68030.
10:42 a.m.
New subject: Mac Plus as a webserver...
On Thu, 13 Sep 2001, Kent Borg wrote:
On Thu, Sep 13, 2001 at 01:58:57AM -0400, Chad
Fernandez wrote:
As I understand it, the SE also had an improved (i.e. non-cycle-stealing)
raster display section as compared to the Plus.
ok
r.
Isn't the SE an 030 Mac? The Plus is only a
68000.
An SE was a Plus with a fan, a different floppy disk, a second drive 
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12 Sep
6:15 a.m.
Rumor has it that Chuck McManis may have mentioned these words:
The Art of Electronics by Horowitz and Hill
He will have to read it a couple of times but damn if it isn't the best one.
--Chuck
At 06:44 AM 9/10/01, you wrote:
>I'd like to get some recommendations from the list for a good introductory
>electronics book for my 14 year-old son. He's interested in building an
>intercom system (and other circuits) that he got off the Web, and I would
>like something for him to read that will give him a good understanding of
>how the circuit works. (For example, it uses the primary windings of a
>120V:12V transformer as a coil.) TIA.
Dunno if I'm late on this thread, but IMHO, some of the better *very*
introductory books, that are very well written, easy to understand & grow
with you can find at your local Radio Shack. The books written by Forrest
Mims III are outstanding, and that's where I learned a healthy chunk of
what I know about electronics.
Granted, that's one of very few things that are still useful at the Shack,
but at least they keep those good books in print.
(and they have a *lot* of useful but simple circuits in them, too!)
HTH,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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