Hi Lawrence, Don't know yet what'll happen to the punch & cards; still trying to sort it out, along with the old IBM docs. Will keep you advised if it doesn't go to Erik in Holland or one of the other enquirers. Can't interest you in some 8 ch. punched tape equipment instead? Nice Burroughs optical reader & punch, and a box + of mylar & paper tape, assorted lovely pastel colours and black :) Hope u don't mind if I put this reply on the list, in case someone else can benefit from your tip about the cards. And you haven't told me yet what Cromemco cards you need. mike ---------- From: Lawrence LeMay[SMTP:lemay@cs.umn.edu] Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:13 AM To: M H Stein Subject: Re: punch cards I want to eventually connect a card reader to one of my PDP 8's, and thus I would want a method of punching some cards ;) I dont have the room nor the ability to move a large IBM card punch unit, so a small unit would be desirable. I'm still looking for a omnibus card reader interface card. So no, I dont have a specific application, but i'm not looking for something to hang on a shelf and point at occasionally either. I do plan to use it eventually. By the way, it is still possible to buy blank punch cards you know. That guy on ebay who is selling the selection of different types of punch cards does sell them. I think his ebay name was key29 or key26, something like that.