On the one hand you can argue: they are just offering a service for people who can't download large volumes of documents. On the other hand, all of us are skating on some thin ice by scanning copyrighted material in the hopes that nobody really cares. It seems like a bad precedent for someone to be selling them for profit. Information is more dangerous than cannon to a society ruled by lies. --James M Dakin ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 19:36:06 +0100 From: "Rik Bos" <hp-fix at xs4all.nl> Subject: RE: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <8981EED805C74877B576A25B84552268 at xp1800> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" 'She' got three times feedback as seller two were negative ! She seems to be a good buyer .. Well I'm not spending my money on 'her' items with bitsavers and other sources around ;-) -Rik ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:36:19 -0800 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> Subject: RE: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <497AEF23.25069.4D0B58F0 at cclist.sydex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 24 Jan 2009 at 10:17, Vernon Wright wrote: I noticed the same thing. Probably just a tempest in a teapot--it's not clear that she's sold *anything* in the last 4 years. I suspect those in need of antique computer doucmentation know how to use The Google. Cheers, Chuck ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:49:34 -0500 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> Subject: Re: HP IIISi: "50 SERVICE" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>, der Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> Cc: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <F7CA1676-7707-410E-BED8-F8F5B27E53FF at neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed On Jan 24, 2009, at 4:45 AM, der Mouse wrote: So, the fog on the drum is a scratch, or are you saying that there's a toner image of the fog on the drum? Use a piece of tissue and (very!) carefully wipe at it to see if it comes off. If it doesn't, then the drum is screwed, which (on most printers) means the cartridge is screwed. If it does, then there may be a piece of crap on one of the corona wires. There's a slot that runs the width of the toner cartridge that is covered on the inside by a flexible piece of black plastic film. Use the corona wire cleaner (the green thing with the felt tip) and stick it in there in the obvious way, and run it back and forth a few times. There could be something sticky on the fuser roller. On these printers, there is (or should be) a white felt pad stuck to a plastic frame that sits atop the fuser roller and wipes it as it rotates. Most people never bothered with that pad, to their detriment...you're supposed to change it when you change the toner cartridge, and new toner cartridges (usually) come with one. That pad is saturated with fuser oil; it cleans and lubricates the fuser. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:55:05 -0800 From: "Chuck Guzis" <cclist at sydex.com> Subject: Re: Help identifying a big ol' drive platter To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <497AF389.7236.4D1C7FBF at cclist.sydex.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On 24 Jan 2009 at 13:13, Roy J. Tellason wrote: Bitsavers has the manual for the 6603 controller: http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/cdc/6x00/60334000_6603DiskControl.pdf (about 500K) I was wrong on the speed (mental bit rot)--it's 900 RPM, not 600. Still darned slow in comparison to 70's technology. Every once in awhile these Bryants would spring a leak in the hydraulics. I once witnessed an operator hit the pool of fluid on the floor (pydraul?) at a dead run. It was pretty funny. Cheers. Chuck ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 10:58:50 -0800 From: Chris Halarewich <halarewich at gmail.com> Subject: Re: HP IIISi: "50 SERVICE" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <6d6501090901241058rb615e2en38c639532072c18f at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 when i go to that page it says domain for sale On 1/24/09, Alexandre Souza <alexandre-listas at e-secure.com.br> wrote: ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 11:14:30 -0800 From: dwight elvey <dkelvey at hotmail.com> Subject: RE: HP IIISi: "50 SERVICE" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <COL107-W24ACBC7B88C8DE34CAAE9DA3CC0 at phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ---------------------------------------- ---snip--- Hi There isn't the normal corona wire in the III si. Like I mentioned in my mail, it is replaced by the PCR in that printer. Dwight _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail? goes where you go. On a PC, on the Web, on your phone. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/learnmore/versatility.aspx#mobile?ocid=T… ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:00:18 -0800 From: "Scanning" <steven.alan.canning at verizon.net> Subject: Re: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <000e01c97e5e$61aa34e0$0201a8c0 at hal9000> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Jim, As a seller, her feedback is only THREE and two of those are NEGATIVE. That should be all we need to know. Best regards, Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Battle" <frustum at pacbell.net> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 18:45:43 +0000 (GMT) From: ard at p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) Subject: Re: Wall warts; was: hams on classiccmp To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <m1LQnVr-000IxyC at p850ug1> Content-Type: text/plain [Alcohol damaging plastics] Hmmm.. I was pretty sure it was those displays where the data sheet specifically mentioned not cleaning them with alcohol, but I could well be mistaken. I was using these over 25 years ago, and there are 2 other posibilities. Firstly, they may have changed the plastic over the years so the more recent ones are not attacked by alcohol (that might also apply to dot matrix versions, etc). The other is that I got my displays from RS components in the UK, and they produced their own data sheet for the ones they sold (I think just the 1414 and 2416), and it may have contained the warning about alcohol. I still have that data sheet _somehwere_ , if I come across it I'll check. -tony ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 13:54:59 -0800 From: "Brian Knittel" <brian at quarterbyte.com> Subject: Re: someone selling bitsavers cd's on ebay? To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <497B1DB3.9419.130D58F3 at brian.quarterbyte.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII My favorite is the one covering the "APPOLO GUIDANCE COMPUTER" and "An emulator that simulates a hole host of different computers". ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 05:59:48 -0500 (EST) From: der Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> Subject: Re: HP IIISi: "50 SERVICE" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <200901241102.GAA18164 at Sparkle.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" 5000 d'Iberville. (I don't expect this to be much use to you, since you're probably not in Montreal, but you asked. I conjecture you were expecting a webpage or some such...but I don't buy "online". At all.) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 16:00:20 -0500 (EST) From: der Mouse <mouse at Rodents-Montreal.ORG> Subject: Re: HP IIISi: "50 SERVICE" To: cctalk at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <200901242118.QAA20882 at Sparkle.Rodents-Montreal.ORG> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thank you all for your great help! [Dave McGuire, quoting me] No; its physical extent is not as well-defined as a scratch is, and it is (statistically) uniform under vertical translation, not repeating with a well-defined period the way a scratch does. Yes. When I open the door over the roller, there are bands of fog wrapped around the drum, in places that correspond to the fog on the printouts. It wipes off readily, and the stuff that wipes off looks like, well, toner powder. But when I then put the cartridge back in and print a test page, there is no recurring gap in the fog; apparently the cleaned-off space didn't stay clean long enough to show on the page. [dwight elvey] That matches the symptoms. I'll try opening the toner cartridge and cleaning off the PCR and the wiper blade - I could wreck it, I suppose, but if my alternative is to get a new cartridge anyway... :) /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:07:15 -0500 From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> Subject: Thrift store score: HP LJ4L To: classiccmp at classiccmp.org Message-ID: <f4eb766f0901250807gd38027ckd7ec741a60c76f60 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 After years of looking at an HP LJ4L I got at the Uni surplus that someone had removed the fuser from, I found a nearly-unused 4L at the nearby thrift store yesterday. It printed the test page without a burp, but was on the shelf without a price. I found someone to get it priced and walked out a happy customer $6 later. The only thing it's missing is a right-angle IEC power cord to fit behind the access door, but it works well enough with a straight-in cable. -ethan ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:15:10 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Loewen <mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us> Subject: Re: Thrift store score: HP LJ4L To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0901251112330.31919 at cpumagic.scol.pa.us> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Sun, 25 Jan 2009, Ethan Dicks wrote: I had pretty much given up on finding interesting vintage electronics at Goodwill, but I also made a good score last summer: a Data General LDM-800 line matrix printer for $4.95 (half-price day). There's not a thing wrong with it, after a couple of alignment procedures. They actually had two of them, but I only had room for one. :-) Mike Loewen mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us Old Technology http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/~mloewen/Oldtech/ ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:26:19 -0500 From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> Subject: Re: HP IIISi: "50 SERVICE" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <D0FB2B07-5DC4-42EE-B27B-FD1EA93987A8 at neurotica.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed On Jan 24, 2009, at 2:14 PM, dwight elvey wrote: Ahhhh, I must've missed the "Si" part somehow. -Dave -- Dave McGuire Port Charlotte, FL ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 09:43:14 -0800 (PST) From: Vernon Wright <vern4wright at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Thrift store score: HP LJ4L To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <431838.91257.qm at web65509.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You are lucky; the thrift stores I inhabit here in San Diego won't sell if there isn't a price tag. They hold it to the next day and price it overnight...which is a BIG bore if I really want it and have to come back the next day - which won't be seniors 50% off day, of course :) The coup I recall is the TI microLaser Win/4 I picked up at a thrift store closing for a dollar. It had been at $7, and $15 before that; I figured I could take a chance at a cuppa coffee price. It was incompatible with Linux, and Windoze except for 95 AND XP! Funny that long list of releases no one ever wrote a driver for, and then to do it for XP. Anyway, it had a good toner and innards and has served perfectly well for about three years. Vern Wright --- On Sun, 1/25/09, Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> wrote: ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:45:58 -0500 From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> Subject: Re: Thrift store score: HP LJ4L To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <f4eb766f0901250945o14a0af48od618cc42fadf7f07 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Mike Loewen <mloewen at cpumagic.scol.pa.us> wrote: Mostly, I find calculators or 1970s clocks, but not much in the area of on-topic electronics at thrifts in Columbus, but I had some really good luck with older stuff at St Vincent DePaul's in Madison over the past 5 years (I just dug out that all-LED clock that I need to refurb - 100-ish submini LEDs and a double-fistful of CMOS 4000-series parts). The closest thing I've seen lately is a Bondi-blue original iMac for way too much, but then they seem to get $150 for an eMachine, which boggles me. Interesting. We never get stuff like that at our thrifts. I presume industrial stuff gets recycled in other ways. -ethan ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 12:48:00 -0500 From: Ethan Dicks <ethan.dicks at gmail.com> Subject: Re: Thrift store score: HP LJ4L To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Message-ID: <f4eb766f0901250948j7430cc37pe163174444cab7da at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Vernon Wright <vern4wright at yahoo.com> wrote: Normally that's my experience, too, but this place has a large back room, so they aren't supposed to set things out unpriced and price them later. I do consider myself lucky that they priced it while I waited. Perhaps it was because it was on the shelf with two dozen printers and scanners and they didn't have any spare room on the shelf to let it wait. -ethan End of cctalk Digest, Vol 65, Issue 57 **************************************