On Nov 21, 17:58, Chris wrote: That's a pity. They weren't always like that; the Apple ][ service manuals included complete schematics and diagnostic software, and the service centre package included quite a lot of component spares (though I think we bought those separately, not with the service manuals). I suppose it's not surprising they included the schematics, since some were in the normal user manuals anyway, but the service manual had more information. They were always a bit funny about people doing repairs, though, even out of warranty. We were part of an education auhority, not a comercial service centre, so perhaps that made a difference -- but we didn't find the local Apple Centre much good at that. -- Pete Peter Turnbull Network Manager University of York