3 Oct
2000
3 Oct
'00
9:12 p.m.
Hehe - I've got another version of this on my wall behind me ATM and it has
these extra lines:
When you hear the word 'runoff' you don't think of water
Your first reaction to a supposed problem is not to reboot the system
You can complete a 10-hour EDT session without looking at the keypad but
stare at the telephone to dial a number
You don't think 'fubar' is obscene
To you, the phrase 'NT CLUSTER' is humorous
You kow that there's something fishy in the Pacific North-West AND IT SURE
AIN'T SALMON.
-----Original Message-----
From: healyzh(a)aracnet.com [mailto:healyzh@aracnet.com]
Sent: 03 October 2000 21:36
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: You might be a VMS Bigot if.....
I was trying to find the order number for the OpenVMS
V7.2-1/Alpha update,
and came across the following little tidbit. With all the
VMS traffic here
the last few days I thought a few people might enjoy this.
I'm sure a lot
of you have seen this before.
4 Oct
4 Oct
4:19 a.m.
Damn...
I was with you right through the fubar line.
Spent too many hours troubleshooting flaky Unibus problems on
11/780's with semi-fried Unibus or UBA's.
Hearing anyone decode the FUBAR makes me twitch.
Bill
Hehe - I've got another version of this on my wall
behind me ATM and it has
these extra lines:
When you hear the word 'runoff' you don't think of water
Your first reaction to a supposed problem is not to reboot the system
You can complete a 10-hour EDT session without looking at the keypad but
stare at the telephone to dial a number
You don't think 'fubar' is obscene
To you, the phrase 'NT CLUSTER' is humorous
You kow that there's something fishy in the Pacific North-West AND IT SURE
AIN'T SALMON.
7:29 a.m.
Bill Pechter wrote:
Damn...
I was with you right through the fubar line.
Spent too many hours troubleshooting flaky Unibus problems on
11/780's with semi-fried Unibus or UBA's.
Hearing anyone decode the FUBAR makes me twitch.
Uhmm isn't the computer version Foo bar as in Foo bar blatz zam zow
(I'm not sure about the last ones anymore). I once named a 3B2 310
Foobar and thought nothing of it. Management came to me and requested an
explaination until they saw the spelling (I was on a support hotline,
fubar is a fact of life there).
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7:37 a.m.
Neil Cherry <ncherry(a)home.net> wrote:
Bill Pechter wrote:
Hi
Besides, what is wrong with "fouled up beyond all recognition"??
Dwight
Damn...
I was with you right through the fubar line.
Spent too many hours troubleshooting flaky Unibus problems on
11/780's with semi-fried Unibus or UBA's.
Hearing anyone decode the FUBAR makes me twitch.
Uhmm isn't the computer version Foo bar as in Foo bar blatz zam zow
(I'm not sure about the last ones anymore). I once named a 3B2 310
Foobar and thought nothing of it. Management came to me and requested an
explaination until they saw the spelling (I was on a support hotline,
fubar is a fact of life there). 
8:16 a.m.
Dwight Elvey wrote:
Neil Cherry <ncherry(a)home.net> wrote:
Given that my last experience with FUBAR was only a
couple of years ago on a VAX 6520, it certainly fits.
Getting a UNIBUS on a 6520 goes something like this:
- CPUs and memory live on NMI
- An NMI->XMI adapter gets you to
- an XMI->VAXBI adapter which gets you to
- a VAXBI->UNIBUS adapter on which you can find
- your UNIBUS device
Occasionally the UNIBUS device would nose over. It
looked to me like the VAXBI->UNIBUS adapter was getting
in trouble occasionally (not necessarily surprising,
given how deep things are getting piled here (did I
forget to mention 6520s use write-back cache?)). About
the time I was starting to get a handle on the problem
my employment situation changed and I wasn't working on
it anymore. I'll be surprised if I ever hear what was
going on and how (or if) it got resolved.
--
Roger Ivie
rivie(a)teraglobal.com
Not speaking for TeraGlobal Communications Corporation
Bill Pechter wrote:
Hi
Besides, what is wrong with "fouled up beyond all recognition"?? Hearing anyone decode the FUBAR makes me twitch.
Uhmm isn't the computer version Foo bar as in Foo bar blatz zam zow
(I'm not sure about the last ones anymore). 
8:39 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 02:16:49PM -0600, Roger Ivie wrote:
Given that my last experience with FUBAR was only a
couple of years ago on a VAX 6520, it certainly fits.
Speaking of which, I'm looking for any documentation I can
get for a VAX 6000-410. I've got one of the user manuals,
but its in French. 8-) So, promotional literature, user
manuals, a DEC handbook showing this model, etc, would
be nice to have along with it once I get it restored to
fully working condition.
Bill
--
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Austin, TX
9:28 a.m.
Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote:
At 12:37 PM 10/4/00 -0700, Dwight wrote:
Hi Joe
Yes, we used it differently when I was in the service.
Everything was different then.
Dwight
Hi
Besides, what is wrong with "fouled up beyond all recognition"??
Umm. You never were in the service were you? :-)
Joe
5 Oct
5 Oct
1:19 a.m.
I recall from my service that Foobahr is the spelling and stands for
"F**ked up beyond all hope of Repair". Maybe thats just a SeaBee variant.
Another is : Tarfu - Things are really F**ked up.
I didn't realize what foul mouths we had while I was in the Nav, but it
became apparent immediatly when I separated..... Took a while to correct
my bad habit. Seems like every third word was F**k.
Technoid
In <200010042128.OAA18461(a)civic.hal.com>om>, on 10/05/00
at 09:19 AM, Dwight Elvey <elvey(a)hal.com> said:
Joe <rigdonj(a)intellistar.net> wrote:
> At 12:37 PM 10/4/00 -0700, Dwight wrote:
> >
> >Hi
> > Besides, what is wrong with "fouled up beyond all recognition"??
>
> Umm. You never were in the service were you? :-)
>
> Joe
>
Hi Joe
Yes, we used it differently when I was in the service.
Everything was different then.
Dwight
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4:16 a.m.
On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 THETechnoid(a)home.com wrote:
I recall from my service that Foobahr is the spelling
and stands for
"F**ked up beyond all hope of Repair". Maybe thats just a SeaBee variant.
Let's see here:
F = F**ked
...so far so good...
o = ... ?
Hmmm...
I didn't realize what foul mouths we had while I
was in the Nav, but it
became apparent immediatly when I separated..... Took a while to correct
my bad habit. Seems like every third word was F**k.
What's wrong with the "F" word? Fuck is one of the most useful words in
the English language.
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5:51 a.m.
New subject: FOOBAR vs FUBAR
I believe Stuart Levy weighs in on this discussion attributing the
introduction of FOO and BAR into the computer lexicon as the standard name
place holders used in MIT's computer classes. It was certainly in CS
lectures where I was first introduced to the term. My father acknowledged
the military version FUBAR as being a "mess" whereas "Tango Uniform"
aka TU
aka "Tits Up" indicated something was dead (as in "Roger flight, that bogey
is Tango Uniform.")
For anyone who has taught computer science the utility is clear, you need a
non-specific name to indicate a specific instance of a something and FOO is
as good as any, the three names used at USC were FOO, BAR, and BLETCH. Some
added BLATHER if they needed a fourth. This is similar to the
cryptographer's calling the two parties in a secure conversation Alice and
Bob. It is so much nicer than A and B.
Another feature of FOO was that it was difficult, even for foreign
students, to get confused with other english words.
Finally, in discussing operating systems and such you need to change
suffixes for the same program so you could say "Let's say you had a program
FOO, its source code might be in FOO-dot-C and its object code would be
compiled to FOO-dot-O, once linked it would be just FOO." pretty easy to
talk about something when it has a name/handle.
--Chuck
6:42 a.m.
New subject: FOOBAR vs FUBAR
Chuck McManis wrote:
For anyone who has taught computer science the utility
is clear, you need a
non-specific name to indicate a specific instance of a something and FOO is
as good as any, the three names used at USC were FOO, BAR, and BLETCH. Some
added BLATHER if they needed a fourth. This is similar to the
Ah, that's what I was taught! I had previously learned the military version
from hanging around too many ex-military.
I use foo and bar on a daily basis, they are the names of files that I
can blow away on a whim and not worry about the contents. Knowing this I
never put anything that needs to be kept past the one reading/writing.
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9:26 a.m.
New subject: FOOBAR vs FUBAR
On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Chuck McManis wrote:
For anyone who has taught computer science the utility
is clear, you need a
non-specific name to indicate a specific instance of a something and FOO is
as good as any, the three names used at USC were FOO, BAR, and BLETCH.
That's USC for you; everybody knows the three canonical names are foo,
bar, and baz.
-- Doug
6:48 a.m.
On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Mike Ford wrote:
The way I see it, it's supposedly an "adult" word. So if you're an
adult
and don't use it on at least a regular basis, you have some growing up to
do.
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What's
wrong with the "F" word? Fuck is one of the most useful words in
the English language.
Lets just say it wouldn't get any gravy passed to you at my mom's dinner table.
If your saying it isn't "dirty" I hope you know how much fun you are
taking
out of using it. 
8:04 a.m.
The way I see it, it's supposedly an
"adult" word. So if you're an adult
and don't use it on at least a regular basis, you have some growing up to
do.
Sellam International Man of Intrigue and Danger
The danger lies in overuse. Already the word has lost much of its impact
because for some people, it's a verb, an adjective, and a noun, and they seem
to know and use few others. Example: I was watching BubbleGum Crisis 2040
- been following the series as it's released on video tape - and when, for the
first time in the dub, Cyllia, the leader says "Oh FUCK" you knew everyone
was in serious serious trouble. And it was 17 episodes into the series.
See?
-Jim
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6 Oct
6 Oct
3:18 a.m.
New subject: Ziatech
Anyone familiar with Ziatech? I was just checking some back email and found
a liquidation sale going on last May. They were located in San Luis Obispo,
CA and IIRC made single board computers.
3:43 a.m.
New subject: Ziatech
Anyone familiar with Ziatech? I was just checking some
back email and found
a liquidation sale going on last May. They were located in San Luis Obispo,
CA and IIRC made single board computers.
I never dealt with them, but I do have a catalog or two
of theirs around. Their claim to fame AFAIK was STD-32,
basically EISA in an STD bus chassis.
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Not speaking for TeraGlobal Communications Corporation
7:59 a.m.
New subject: Ziatech
Yes,, I'm familar with them. They also make HP-IB cards for the PCs. I
called them once looking for info on an old card and they mailed me a
manual for it. It was pleased with their tech support. I'm sorry to see
them go under.
Joe
At 08:18 AM 10/6/00 -0700, you wrote:
Anyone familiar with Ziatech? I was just checking some back email and found
a liquidation sale going on last May. They were located in San Luis Obispo,
CA and IIRC made single board computers.
8:05 a.m.
New subject: Ziatech
On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Marvin wrote:
Anyone familiar with Ziatech? I was just checking some back email and found
a liquidation sale going on last May. They were located in San Luis Obispo,
CA and IIRC made single board computers.
They also made cards and support equipment for GPIB, amongst other
items.
- don
6 Oct
6 Oct
3:50 a.m.
On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Mike Ford wrote:
Well said; the use of vulgar language is also childish and indicative of
one's upbringing and social status (regardless of income).
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The way I see
it, it's supposedly an "adult" word. So if you're an adult
and don't use it on at least a regular basis, you have some growing up to
do.
I don't want to shock you with an alien concept, but use of vulgar language
isn't polite.
3:25 a.m.
New subject: OFF-TOPIC Re: Re[4]: You might be a VMS Bigot if.....
On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, R. D. Davis wrote:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Mike Ford wrote:
Well said; the use of vulgar language is also childish and indicative of
one's upbringing and social status (regardless of income).
HAHAHHA.
What a bunch of bullshit.
The lack of so-called "vulgar" language in one's vocabulary demonstrates a
fundamental lack of maturity.
That you would equate using cuss words with "social status" demonstrates
this pretty clearly.
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The way I
see it, it's supposedly an "adult" word. So if you're an adult
and don't use it on at least a regular basis, you have some growing up to
do.
I don't want to shock you with an alien concept, but use of vulgar language
isn't polite. 
5:29 a.m.
New subject: OFF-TOPIC Re: Re[4]: You might be a VMS Bigot if.....
Sellam Ismail wrote:
On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, R. D. Davis wrote:
And the over use of such words demonstrates the same lack of maturity
(Though your use doesn't fall into that category).
There is one place where "such language" at even small levels is intolerable,
that is in business. To those who do it, you have no idea the embarrassment
you cause. To those who have to take it, it just lowers the opinion of the
individual/company.
There is a time and place for everything. And moderation when appropriate.
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On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Mike Ford wrote:
Well said; the use of vulgar language is also childish and indicative of
one's upbringing and social status (regardless of income).
HAHAHHA.
What a bunch of bullshit.
The lack of so-called "vulgar" language in one's vocabulary demonstrates a
fundamental lack of maturity.
That you would equate using cuss words with "social status" demonstrates
this pretty clearly. The way I
see it, it's supposedly an "adult" word. So if you're an adult
and don't use it on at least a regular basis, you have some growing up to
do.
I don't want to shock you with an alien concept, but use of vulgar language
isn't polite.
5 Oct
5 Oct
8:33 a.m.
After my stress-induced tirade on the list last week, I guess I'm being
careful not to offend....
I meant Fubahr....
You can get some real beuts from Dick Marcinko's 'Rogue Warrior' series of
books.
v/r
Jeff
In <Pine.LNX.4.10.10010050914050.24275-100000(a)siconic.com>om>, on 10/05/00
at 04:33 PM, Sellam Ismail <foo(a)siconic.com> said:
On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 THETechnoid(a)home.com wrote:
> I recall from my service that Foobahr is the
spelling and stands for
> "F**ked up beyond all hope of Repair". Maybe thats just a SeaBee variant.
Let's see here:
F = F**ked
...so far so good...
o = ... ?
Hmmm...
> I didn't realize what foul mouths we had while
I was in the Nav, but it
> became apparent immediatly when I separated..... Took a while to correct
> my bad habit. Seems like every third word was F**k.
What's wrong with the "F" word? Fuck is
one of the most useful words in
the English language.
Sellam International Man
of Intrigue and
Danger
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1
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6 Oct
6 Oct
7:50 a.m.
On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Sellam Ismail wrote:
What's wrong with the "F" word? Fuck is
one of the most useful words in
the English language.
Beats the hell out of c\/\/m or syzygy.
M. K. Peirce
Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
215 Shady Lea Road,
North Kingstown, RI 02852
"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
- Ovid
4 Oct
4 Oct
10:30 a.m.
Besides, what is wrong with "fouled up beyond all
recognition"??
That, like reading the "fine" manual, doesn't fool many.
BTW YMBAVMSB if The funniest story you know is about some user and you
heard it at Decus (wow do I miss the old DECUS, and I was just going for
the food).
My two favorites are;
The user who complains about the computer running slow today.
The "test" meltdown routine some guy left in DEC control system at a nuke
plant, and it ran during some demo.
10:42 a.m.
On Wed, 04 Oct 2000, Mike Ford wrote:
My two favorites are;
The user who complains about the computer running slow today.
The "test" meltdown routine some guy left in DEC control system at a nuke
plant, and it ran during some demo.
Please tell the stories, or am I the only one who doesn't know them?
Dan
--
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--I reserve the right to be completely wrong about any comments or
opinions expressed; don't trust everything you read above--
7:10 p.m.
My two
favorites are;
The user who complains about the computer running slow today.
The "test" meltdown routine some guy left in DEC control system at a nuke
plant, and it ran during some demo.
Please tell the stories, or am I the only one who doesn't know them?
7:59 a.m.
Hearing anyone
decode the FUBAR makes me twitch.
Uhmm isn't the computer version Foo bar as in Foo bar blatz zam zow
(I'm not sure about the last ones anymore). 
9:16 a.m.
Uhmm isn't the computer version Foo bar as in Foo
bar blatz zam zow
(I'm not sure about the last ones anymore). I once named a 3B2 310
Foobar and thought nothing of it. Management came to me and requested an
explaination until they saw the spelling (I was on a support hotline,
fubar is a fact of life there).
Were they worried about the language, or the meaning of the acronym?
I once named a Sparcstation "mofo" and it carries that tag to this day.
(128.32.98.214) Then again this is a university and there is no management.
:)
I've alway wondered if Morrison and Foerster thought about it before they
picked the name of their website (mofo.com). I guess it's approprate for
the subject matter.
Eric
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Hearing anyone decode the FUBAR makes me twitch.
Uhmm isn't the computer version Foo bar as in Foo bar blatz zam zow
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New subject: FUBAR and bar
Hehe - I've got another version of this on my wall behind me ATM and it has
these extra lines:
[...]
You don't think 'fubar' is obscene
... although some of the things you'll say while diagnosing a fault that
sets the FUBAR most certainly are :-)
-tony
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