18 May
2005
18 May
'05
10:27 a.m.
Subject: Re: Kaypro II system disk?
From: "Doc Shipley" <doc at mdrconsult.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:20 AM
> Apropos to the discussion of Don Maslin's archives, I need a bootable
> disk image for a Kaypro II with the Advent TurboROM (Plu*Perfect Systems)
> The Advent hard disk formatter would be a plus, but right now I'd be happy
> just to boot CP/M on the thing.
>
> FWIW, it's got one original SSDD floppy drive, a Rodime 252F hard disk
> and an Advent .5MB RAM drive. It's the v3.0 TurboROM.
>
> Doc
Doc did you ever get a disk? What drive(s) does that system have
installed?
I have A kaypro 4/84 I use with with Advent Turborom and Ramdisk
however I have mine set up with some 3.5" drives. Mine doesn't
have a host controller so no hard disk. I'd need to pull out one
drive to set up the right drive to make a boot disk. I modded it
years ago to improve functionality rather than preserve it as
manufactured mostly as it was already not original.
REGARDING ARCHIVEGING:
I was/am trying to get away from the multitude of incompatable 5.25"
formats. By installing the 3.5" drives with Turborom that allowed
me to have only one media (3.5") and at most three formats on that
media (781k CP/M, 720k CP/M, 720K dos-PC) which is my sanity set
that all my machines can do directly at the media level and
programtically using applications.
Allison
18 May
18 May
1:30 p.m.
Allison wrote:
I would *happily* install a 3.5" floppy drive in this box, and
possibly ship you my firstborn** to boot, if it'll get this guy up and
running. As you said, the box is already heavily modded, and if I
understand correctly, the primary function of the TurboROM is to allow
more and larger disk formats. I have plenty of DSDD 3.5"floppies, too.
It would be nice to have the HDD formatter, but that's not an
immediate concern. With the Rodime dying, I will have to find a "new"
MFM disk for it anyway.
Subject: Re:
Kaypro II system disk?
From: "Doc Shipley" <doc at mdrconsult.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:20 AM
> Apropos to the discussion of Don Maslin's archives, I need a bootable
>disk image for a Kaypro II with the Advent TurboROM (Plu*Perfect Systems)
>The Advent hard disk formatter would be a plus, but right now I'd be happy
>just to boot CP/M on the thing.
>
> FWIW, it's got one original SSDD floppy drive, a Rodime 252F hard disk
>and an Advent .5MB RAM drive. It's the v3.0 TurboROM.
>
>Doc
Doc did you ever get a disk? What drive(s) does that system have
installed?
I have A kaypro 4/84 I use with with Advent Turborom and Ramdisk
however I have mine set up with some 3.5" drives. Mine doesn't
have a host controller so no hard disk. I'd need to pull out one
drive to set up the right drive to make a boot disk. I modded it
years ago to improve functionality rather than preserve it as
manufactured mostly as it was already not original. REGARDING ARCHIVEGING:
I was/am trying to get away from the multitude of incompatable 5.25"
formats. By installing the 3.5" drives with Turborom that allowed
me to have only one media (3.5") and at most three formats on that
media (781k CP/M, 720k CP/M, 720K dos-PC) which is my sanity set
that all my machines can do directly at the media level and
programtically using applications.
Doc
1:33 p.m.
From: "Allison" <ajp166 at bellatlantic.net>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 9:27 AM
The Kaypro '84 is different from the earlier (often refered to as '83) and
the ROMs & boot disks are not compatible between them.
Randy
www.s100-manuals.com
From: "Doc
Shipley" <doc at mdrconsult.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 4:20 AM
> Apropos to the discussion of Don Maslin's archives, I need a bootable
> disk image for a Kaypro II with the Advent TurboROM (Plu*Perfect
> Systems)
> The Advent hard disk formatter would be a plus, but right now I'd be
> happy
> just to boot CP/M on the thing.
>
> FWIW, it's got one original SSDD floppy drive, a Rodime 252F hard disk
> and an Advent .5MB RAM drive. It's the v3.0 TurboROM.
>
> Doc
Doc did you ever get a disk? What drive(s) does that system have
installed?
I have A kaypro 4/84 I use with with Advent Turborom and Ramdisk
however I have mine set up with some 3.5" drives. Mine doesn't
have a host controller so no hard disk. I'd need to pull out one
drive to set up the right drive to make a boot disk. I modded it
years ago to improve functionality rather than preserve it as
manufactured mostly as it was already not original.
REGARDING ARCHIVEGING:
I was/am trying to get away from the multitude of incompatable 5.25"
formats. By installing the 3.5" drives with Turborom that allowed
me to have only one media (3.5") and at most three formats on that
media (781k CP/M, 720k CP/M, 720K dos-PC) which is my sanity set
that all my machines can do directly at the media level and
programtically using applications.
Allison 
3:17 p.m.
On 5/18/05, Randy McLaughlin <cctalk at randy482.com> wrote:
The Kaypro '84 is different from the earlier
(often refered to as '83) and
the ROMs & boot disks are not compatible between them.
I have a dim memory of searching my Kaypro for a differentiating
factor when I was talking with Don Maslin years ago. He was able to
help me ID which disk was appropriate, and send me one. which is,
unfortunately, not with the Kaypro :-(
I haven't had much to say about the CP/M archive, but as I do have a
few machines (Kaypro and S-100), I have an interest in what happens.
Personally, I don't see why we shouldn't start a parallel archive,
just in case, at least of some of the more common formats. It would
be a life's work (literally) to build an archive as extensive as
Don's, but for most of us here, I would think that a dozen or two
disks would meet most of our needs (Kaypro, Osbourne, NorthStar...)
I have no strong opinion about disk archiving format, as long as
there's a way to reconstitute disks. Yes, I know that one might have
to keep around an ancient DOS box, but in the grand scheme of things,
I don't see why one can't/shouldn't keep around one mini-tower with a
network card and a sub-gig disk and a 5.25" floppy. If one is
dabbling in CP/M, one probably has space for one commodity PC to
remake disks. If nothing else, I will keep one around for the
existing base of teledisk-imaged DECmate II and Pro3xx RX50s.
-ethan
3:40 p.m.
From: "Ethan Dicks" <ethan.dicks at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 2:17 PM
On 5/18/05, Randy McLaughlin <cctalk at
randy482.com> wrote:
For Kaypro's there are two factors in finding the right boot disk: Boot rom
number and whether it is single or double sided. For early Kaypros it
requires removing the cover, later they included version info in the startup
screen.
Randy
www.s100-manuals.com
The Kaypro '84 is different from the earlier
(often refered to as '83)
and
the ROMs & boot disks are not compatible between them.
I have a dim memory of searching my Kaypro for a differentiating
factor when I was talking with Don Maslin years ago. He was able to
help me ID which disk was appropriate, and send me one. which is,
unfortunately, not with the Kaypro :-(
I haven't had much to say about the CP/M archive, but as I do have a
few machines (Kaypro and S-100), I have an interest in what happens.
Personally, I don't see why we shouldn't start a parallel archive,
just in case, at least of some of the more common formats. It would
be a life's work (literally) to build an archive as extensive as
Don's, but for most of us here, I would think that a dozen or two
disks would meet most of our needs (Kaypro, Osbourne, NorthStar...)
I have no strong opinion about disk archiving format, as long as
there's a way to reconstitute disks. Yes, I know that one might have
to keep around an ancient DOS box, but in the grand scheme of things,
I don't see why one can't/shouldn't keep around one mini-tower with a
network card and a sub-gig disk and a 5.25" floppy. If one is
dabbling in CP/M, one probably has space for one commodity PC to
remake disks. If nothing else, I will keep one around for the
existing base of teledisk-imaged DECmate II and Pro3xx RX50s.
-ethan 
4:37 p.m.
On Wed, 18 May 2005, Ethan Dicks wrote:
I haven't had much to say about the CP/M archive,
but as I do have a
few machines (Kaypro and S-100), I have an interest in what happens.
Personally, I don't see why we shouldn't start a parallel archive,
just in case, at least of some of the more common formats. It would
be a life's work (literally) to build an archive as extensive as
Don's, but for most of us here, I would think that a dozen or two
disks would meet most of our needs (Kaypro, Osbourne, NorthStar...)
I've heard a lot of people talking about this over the past couple days
but no action. It doesn't take much to launch an archive. Jay already
offered the digital space and the bandwidth. Someone should take a
leadership role here. I would but I don't think I'm keen to add yet
another project to my agenda.
If everyone started contributing en masse to a parallel archive, what Don
had could be duplicated in 6 months.
--
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20 May
20 May
2:53 p.m.
I would be more then happy to take over a leadership/management roll in
such an archive, if no one else would step up to run it...
On May 18, 2005, at 4:37 PM, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Wed, 18 May 2005, Ethan Dicks wrote:
I haven't had much to say about the CP/M
archive, but as I do have a
few machines (Kaypro and S-100), I have an interest in what happens.
Personally, I don't see why we shouldn't start a parallel archive,
just in case, at least of some of the more common formats. It would
be a life's work (literally) to build an archive as extensive as
Don's, but for most of us here, I would think that a dozen or two
disks would meet most of our needs (Kaypro, Osbourne, NorthStar...)
I've heard a lot of people talking about this over the past couple
days
but no action. It doesn't take much to launch an archive. Jay
already
offered the digital space and the bandwidth. Someone should take a
leadership role here. I would but I don't think I'm keen to add yet
another project to my agenda.
If everyone started contributing en masse to a parallel archive,
what Don
had could be duplicated in 6 months.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage
Computer Festival
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18 May
18 May
2:01 p.m.
Allison wrote:
I was/am trying to get away from the multitude of
incompatable 5.25"
formats. By installing the 3.5" drives with Turborom that allowed
me to have only one media (3.5") and at most three formats on that
media (781k CP/M, 720k CP/M, 720K dos-PC) which is my sanity set
that all my machines can do directly at the media level and
programtically using applications.
Crap, I hit "Send" instead of Shift.
I agree, to a certain point. The systems I have that came to me in
factory original shape, I like to leave that way if possible. To an
extent I like to stick with "contemporary" mods in any case, but there
are a lot of architectures that have always begged (and received)
ongoing hacking. Amigas and most any CP/M system are good examples.
And the missing footnote from the first reply:
** He's up for grabs anyway. 22 years old, bigger than me, and contrary
as hell. :)
Doc
3:44 p.m.
At 01:01 PM 5/18/05 -0500, Doc wrote:
And the missing footnote from the first reply:
** He's up for grabs anyway. 22 years old, bigger than me, and contrary
as hell. :)
He sounds like a good candidate for the US Army. Mine knew it ALL so he
ended up in the USMC. That took the wind out of his sails! :-)
Joe
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