I'm game for whatever connection type makes sense. The first and last in your list I think I can handle without support. SSH and DecNet might take more time. Whatever is chose, I'd like to ensure that the internet is the backbone and right now that doesn't make sense.... Someone mentioned DECNet over TCP/IP. I respect the objections voiced, but TCP/IP meets the ten year rule and then some, and DECNet is routeable - to quote another listmember. The fact we use the internet for this list should give some indication of it's reliability and capability. For the sake of simplicity, I say TCP/IP, or if more functionality can be obtained by DECNET/TCPIP then go there. I'm still confused over how to route direct traffic to the vax through my NAT router. I use NAT because Proxies require manual configuration for each application. There are reasons for proxy servers, but on my small net, it's a support nightmare. I think Allison said that you can redirect a port, but to the best of my knowledge, my existing router is not so flexible. I do have the full suite of servers, I'm just not sure how to use: RSHD, Tftpd and a couple of others..... Not to discourage though. I can go to a Linux or Solaris router. If you get one machine up, I'll be right up on it. In fact, I'll put the first machine up or volunteer it to another group memeber (via telnet) to set it up as first. Just e-mail me directly. I'll give you telnet access to my server from which you can telnet to the VAX and make your changes. The Vax is on the net as we speak and has been for some weeks. It is stable if not terribly fast. It might not be a bad start. This machine is small, fully functional, and will remain online for the forseable future. Moreso if the group finds a use for it. Regards, Jeff -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey S. Worley President Complete Computer Services, Inc. 30 Greenwood Rd. Asheville, NC 28803 828-277-5959 Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com THETechnoid(a)home.com -----------------------------------------------------------

Billy D'Augustine wrote: Agree. OpenBSD is great for routing or firewalling. I've recently seen that all the linux crowd, or the majority, is becoming plug&play oriented. They just want so disribution with everything precompiled and no security at all; a m$ approach. Long live OpenBSD; too bad it is not available on MCA machines since I've got quite a number of IBM 7012 320H. Back to the Subject. I've lost the previous postings. Is the VMS BBS concerned with setting up a DECNET BBS or just about generic VMS accounts? I've got two hobbyist machines on internet; a 3100M38 12MRAM with OpenVMS 7.2 and a VS2000 14M with VMS 5.3 that could host some accounts. e. ======================================================================== Enrico Badella email: enrico.badella(a)softstar.it Soft*Star srl eb(a)vax.cnuce.cnr.it InterNetworking Specialists tel: +39-011-746092 Via Camburzano 9 fax: +39-011-746487 10143 Torino, Italy Wanted, for hobbyist use, any type of PDP and microVAX hardware,software, manuals,schematics,etc. and DEC-10 docs or manuals ==========================================================================

In <200011191553.eAJFri309989(a)bg-tc-ppp281.monmouth.com>om>, on 11/19/00 at 11:52 AM, Bill Pechter <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> said: I've got both netbsd and openbsd on my Sparc alongside Solaris 2.4. I like it well enough, but no netscape. Every time I mount the solaris partition under BSD, I get the libraries I need but can no longer boot Solaris. Wierd huh? No writes to the solaris part, just pulling a copy of the libraries. V/R Jeff -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey S. Worley President Complete Computer Services, Inc. 30 Greenwood Rd. Asheville, NC 28803 828-277-5959 Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com THETechnoid(a)home.com -----------------------------------------------------------

From: "Bill Pechter" <pechter(a)pechter.dyndns.org> date Without this turning into an age-old OS war - actually, I would recommend against FreeBSD even on an Intel platform. With OpenBSD, at least I know what's being installed, and I know that the installation has gone thru the OpenBSD audit process (which is the top selling point of this flavour). If you install from the ports or packages, you're on your own, but even their version of X has been audited. With FreeBSD, I'm not sure what's being installed even when I specify the installation options! I don't want GNOME or KDE. I'm mildly old-fashioned, and prefer twm derivatives, such as ctwm. Somehow GNOME or KDE always end up being installed. Of course, I am awaiting FreeBSD 4.2, I've been following it, and will download the ISO when it's available. I like NetBSD, but each time I start using it, I get mildly annoyed over trivial things, but they add up, so I usually end up going back to OpenBSD. btw: in reference to another thread, I'm a local too :) I have a lurking friend who ran a Citadel BBS. It was fun. Even tho UUCP is dead, I still have an entry in the maps for a 3B1 I ran back in 1990 or thereabouts. There used to be a computer store in Rockaway NJ called "Second Byte" (they may still be there), and their original selling method was refurbs. They were spun off from Rockaway Recycling. RR would bid on discarded computer lots, sell them. Associated with Second Byte was "the warehouse" (no name), where they'd put the big iron. People there were CLUELESS (heavy emphasis) on big iron, most of it would be scrapped for the gold. They had grunts with hammers (literally). I picked up one of my VAX 730's, and perhaps two PDP-11's - an extremely well-stocked 11/73 for $100 (this was back in 1992). They had dozens of 11/780s which I used to drool over. Just too big for me. One day, me and a friend of mine were wandering the depths of the warehouse, and WAAY in the farthest corner, packed behind lots of junk and generally just forgotten was some model IBM 360. It had a university asset tag on it, I forget. Perhaps Columbia? Anyways, one day, some woman walked in trying to sell an "AT&T 3B1" to this store, but they had no clue. It didn't run DOS. So they sent her packing. We intercepted her outside and made a back-alley deal :) Oh I babble. The warehouse doesn't exist anymore. they closed it either for lack of interest or for insurance liability (things were stacked on three story racks; I used to be monkey boy trying to see what they had). Rockaway Recycling still exists, and as far as I know, and Second Byte does, but they're Just Another Dealer.

On Sun, 19 Nov 2000 THETechnoid(a)home.com wrote: Interesting idea, with chapters worldwide. About how many of us are there? Let's say that there are at least a hundred of us, and we each donate a minimum of US$300 for the first year's dues... that should help to get things going and then have a range of membership types like other non-profits have. For example: US$300 - initial membership fee (required of new members - too high?) US$30 - ongoing basic membership fee (covers magazine subscr., etc.) US$65 - circuit saver (add free access to all on-line documentation) US$100 - supporting hacker - (add free CD-ROMs of x number of OSs, etc./yr) US$200 - restoration supporter (add free T-shirt) US$350 - old iron preserver (add free poster of any old-iron system) US$500 - vintage conservateur (add free swearshirt) US$1000+ - classic computer patron (free admission to events) ...then sell the equipment to members, and, other interested parties (just to make it legal), as an on-going fundraiser? As companies could take a tax-deduction for the equipment that they donate to us instead of selling it to scrap dealers. We could amass a huge amount of documentation, and imaging companies could possible take tax donations by helping to scan it into a machine-readable format like PostScript. OEMs may choose to donate their remaining documentation, design info., sorce code, etc. information to us for old equipment in exchance for a tax deduction. Then, there are also grants that we could obtain. -- Copyright (C) 2000 R. D. Davis "The best way to gain a true understanding of All Rights Reserved Wile E. Coyote on the Roadrunner cartoons is to rdd(a)perqlogic.com 410-744-4900 fly, head-first, off a horse into something like http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd a fence or a tree; trust me, this works." --RDD

On Wed, 22 Nov 2000, R. D. Davis wrote: [...] [etc.] Yes, I know, bad thing to follow up on one's own e-mail, however, I just thought about something... an incorporated users group might be a bad idea in that it would lead to attempted computer preservation related activities by committee (and we all know how useless and annoying committees typically are), and people would end up squabbling over group politics, etc., spending more time on things pertaining to the group itself, than on hacking and preservation, which would be a bad thing. Also, once corporate sponsorship gets involved, unless there's a rule in the charter against such, it could become all the more of a tangled mess with the group doing what's best for certain business interests. How long before it would deteriorate into the Microsoft Historical Software Collectors Group or some such? -- Copyright (C) 2000 R. D. Davis "The best way to gain a true understanding of All Rights Reserved Wile E. Coyote on the Roadrunner cartoons is to rdd(a)perqlogic.com 410-744-4900 fly, head-first, off a horse into something like http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd a fence or a tree; trust me, this works." --RDD

On Thu, 23 Nov 2000, Tim Harrison wrote: Sounds like a good idea to me! Hmmm... anyone interested in a Mad Hackers' Tea Party in the Baltimore area? -- Copyright (C) 2000 R. D. Davis "The best way to gain a true understanding of All Rights Reserved Wile E. Coyote on the Roadrunner cartoons is to rdd(a)perqlogic.com 410-744-4900 fly, head-first, off a horse into something like http://www.perqlogic.com/rdd a fence or a tree; trust me, this works." --RDD

I'd be interested in attending something like a mini-swap-meet. Used to go to them some years ago. We'd all pile our cars, vans, u-hauls, etc with stuff, and meet at someone's house. Preferably someone who has a house that can accomodate the ratio of humans:computers I imagine this would generate... Hey, while writing this, for some reason, someone's name popped into my head, and this is the place I'd expect to find him, if anywhere. Anyone know Charles Lasner? Used to be a big PDP-8 goomba, but after I dropped off the planet for several years, I haven't heard from/of him. (central NJ is my locale, but my small apartment wouldn't suffice :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Harrison" <harrison(a)mail.timharrison.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 12:57 PM Subject: Re: Form a user's group. Classicmp needs solidarity. while. understanding of is to something like works." --RDD

Um, I didn't mean to send that mail. I was rambling several days back. Today I noticed that this window was still open and clicked on the wrong thingy. Regards, Jeff -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey S. Worley President Complete Computer Services, Inc. 30 Greenwood Rd. Asheville, NC 28803 828-277-5959 Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com THETechnoid(a)home.com -----------------------------------------------------------