22 May
2002
22 May
'02
7:58 a.m.
EET'S ALIVE! Well, I finally hobbled together a 'console cable' that
connects its monochrome output to my TV and to a LK201 keyboard. Now I
just could use a 'better' OS for the thing than P/OS. [Also, I could use
soemthing that told me how much memory it has in it...]
Has anyone ever hacked RSX-11M or RSX-11M+ to work on it? Are there any
guides for RSX-11M(+)? How should I cure my insanity? :)
Is VENIX worth trying on this thing?
-- Pat
22 May
22 May
9:07 a.m.
Pat Finnegan wrote:
EET'S ALIVE! Well, I finally hobbled together a
'console cable' that
connects its monochrome output to my TV and to a LK201 keyboard. Now I
just could use a 'better' OS for the thing than P/OS. [Also, I could use
soemthing that told me how much memory it has in it...]
Jerome Fine replies:
Might it be possible to use the colour output when connected
to the TV? Now that would be an interesting appliance?
What hardware does your PRO350 have and what disk drives?
RX50? RD51?
Has anyone ever hacked RSX-11M or RSX-11M+ to work on
it? Are there any
guides for RSX-11M(+)? How should I cure my insanity? :)
Since PO/S is really based on RSX-11 (if I remember correctly),
your are already running RSX-11. RT-11 also runs on the PRO350,
but you must have an RX50 that allows RT-11 to boot. If
you have all the required files on the RX50 that runs on a normal
PDP-11, then for the RT11XM monitor, add (assuming they are missing):
PIX.SYS
DWX.SYS
DZX.SYS
If you then execute the command:
COPY/BOOT:DW DU0:RT11XM.SYS DU0:
(assuming I have not confused the hard drive device driver DZX.SYS
with the floppy device driver DWX.SYS). That RX50 can then be
booted on the PRO350. I am not sure which version of RT-11 was
first able to use the PRO350, but certainly by V5.03 of RT-11, it was
possible.
Is VENIX worth trying on this thing?
I don't know what VENIX is or how it works, but I get the
impression that VENIX was used on the PRO350 when
the PRO350 was used as the console device for the
VAX 780??????
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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12:18 p.m.
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Pat Finnegan wrote:
EET'S ALIVE! Well, I finally hobbled together a
'console cable' that
connects its monochrome output to my TV and to a LK201 keyboard. Now I
just could use a 'better' OS for the thing than P/OS. [Also, I could use
soemthing that told me how much memory it has in it...]
Has anyone ever hacked RSX-11M or RSX-11M+ to work on it? Are there any
guides for RSX-11M(+)? How should I cure my insanity? :)
Is VENIX worth trying on this thing?
-- Pat
12:32 p.m.
Hmmm. A bit trigger happy. Sorry
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Pat Finnegan wrote:
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Pat Finnegan wrote:
> EET'S ALIVE! Well, I finally hobbled together a 'console cable' that
> connects its monochrome output to my TV and to a LK201 keyboard. Now I
> just could use a 'better' OS for the thing than P/OS. [Also, I could use
> soemthing that told me how much memory it has in it...]
It's actually a Pro380 in a Pro350 shell I just found out (J-11 chipset).
YAY! Now if I just had something to do with it.
-- Pat
2:24 p.m.
If you then execute the command:
COPY/BOOT:DW DU0:RT11XM.SYS DU0:
(assuming I have not confused the hard drive device driver DZX.SYS
with the floppy device driver DWX.SYS). That RX50 can then be
booted on the PRO350. I am not sure which version of RT-11 was
first able to use the PRO350, but certainly by V5.03 of RT-11, it was
possible.
The command should specify DZ, not DW. The DZ is the floppy
driver, the DW is the hard disk driver.
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: gentry at zk3.dec.com (work) |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | mbg at world.std.com (home) |
| Hewlett Packard | (s/ at /@/) |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
2:25 p.m.
btw - 'GORT' (good 'ole RT) was first released on the PRO with V5.0,
if I remember correctly...
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | email: gentry at zk3.dec.com (work) |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | mbg at world.std.com (home) |
| Hewlett Packard | (s/ at /@/) |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 (DEC '77-'98) | required." - mbg KB1FCA |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
3:13 p.m.
Pat Finnegan wrote:
EET'S ALIVE! Well, I finally hobbled together a
'console cable' that
connects its monochrome output to my TV and to a LK201 keyboard. Now I
just could use a 'better' OS for the thing than P/OS. [Also, I could use
soemthing that told me how much memory it has in it...]
Jerome Fine replies:
I added a few lines to correct a mistake. See ==============
Might it be possible to use the colour output when connected
to the TV? Now that would be an interesting appliance?
What hardware does your PRO350 have and what disk drives?
RX50? RD51?
Has anyone ever hacked RSX-11M or RSX-11M+ to work on
it? Are there any
guides for RSX-11M(+)? How should I cure my insanity? :)
Since PO/S is really based on RSX-11 (if I remember correctly),
your are already running RSX-11. RT-11 also runs on the PRO350,
but you must have an RX50 that allows RT-11 to boot. If
you have all the required files on the RX50 that runs on a normal
PDP-11, then for the RT11XM monitor, add (assuming they are missing):
PIX.SYS
DWX.SYS
DZX.SYS
If you then execute the command:
COPY/BOOT:DW DU0:RT11XM.SYS DU0:
(assuming I have not confused the hard drive device driver DZX.SYS
with the floppy device driver DWX.SYS). That RX50 can then be
booted on the PRO350. I am not sure which version of RT-11 was
first able to use the PRO350, but certainly by V5.03 of RT-11, it
was possible.
===============================================================
Sorry - the RX50 device driver is DZX.SYS rather than DWX.SYS
as I stated above - incorrectly. SO, the command should have
"DZ" as:
COPY/BOOT:DZ DU0:RT11XM.SYS DU0:
If you then take that RX50 floppy and insert it into the drive
on the PRO350, I hope it will boot RT-11.
===============================================================
Is VENIX worth trying on this thing?
I don't know what VENIX is or how it works, but I get the
impression that VENIX was used on the PRO350 when
the PRO350 was used as the console device for the
VAX 780??????
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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19 Jun
19 Jun
8:31 a.m.
New subject: Making RT-11 bootable
I'm trying to get a bootable copy of RT-11 onto an RX50 so I can try to
install it onto my DEC Pro380. Here's what I've heard so far (see below
for question).
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
OK, does anyone know what the 'required files' are? I've got a copy of
RT-11 V5.03 on an 'RL02'; however, an RL02's worth of excess files won't
quite fit on an RX50.
Has anyone
ever hacked RSX-11M or RSX-11M+ to work on it? Are there any
guides for RSX-11M(+)? How should I cure my insanity? :)
Since PO/S is really based on RSX-11 (if I remember correctly),
your are already running RSX-11. RT-11 also runs on the PRO350,
but you must have an RX50 that allows RT-11 to boot. If
you have all the required files on the RX50 that runs on a normal
PDP-11, then for the RT11XM monitor, add (assuming they are missing): PIX.SYS
DWX.SYS
DZX.SYS
If you then execute the command:
<snip>
COPY/BOOT:DZ DU0:RT11XM.SYS DU0:
Thanks for any help.
-- Pat
9:13 a.m.
New subject: Making RT-11 bootable
--- Pat Finnegan <pat(a)purdueriots.com> wrote:
I do not know off the top of my head, but I have an original distro
of RT-11 v5.3 on RX50 that includes an extra disk for the Pro series.
At the moment, I don't have a PeeCee with a working 5.25" drive (got
all the parts I need; just need to get it all put into the same box
again). Once I do, I plan to make disk images of what I have (as
well as to digest several hundred MicroVAX VMS distro floppies)
I won't be able to give you an answer right away, but I do have
the physical means to do so (presuming the disks still read - I
haven't read them since they fell into my hands).
So if anyone knows off the top of their head, speak up. Otherwise,
I'll see if I can pull various resources together to get an answer.
-ethan
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I'm trying to get a bootable copy of RT-11 onto an
RX50 so I can try to
install it onto my DEC Pro380. Here's what I've heard so far (see below
for question).
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
...RT-11 also
runs on the PRO350,
but you must have an RX50 that allows RT-11 to boot. If
you have all the required files on the RX50 that runs on a normal
PDP-11, then for the RT11XM monitor, add (assuming they are missing):
OK, does anyone know what the 'required files' are? I've got a copy of
RT-11 V5.03 on an 'RL02'; however, an RL02's worth of excess files won't
quite fit on an RX50.
1:01 p.m.
New subject: Making RT-11 bootable
On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
--- Pat Finnegan <pat(a)purdueriots.com> wrote:
I do not know off the top of my head, but I have an original distro
of RT-11 v5.3 on RX50 that includes an extra disk for the Pro series.
OK, I now have a bootable RX-50. My question is what is the difference
between DL.SYS and DLX.SYS drivers? Is the non-x version unibus and the
with-x version qbus or something?
-- Pat
I'm trying to get a bootable copy of RT-11
onto an RX50 so I can try to
install it onto my DEC Pro380. Here's what I've heard so far (see below
for question).
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
...RT-11
also runs on the PRO350,
but you must have an RX50 that allows RT-11 to boot. If
you have all the required files on the RX50 that runs on a normal
PDP-11, then for the RT11XM monitor, add (assuming they are missing):
OK, does anyone know what the 'required files' are? I've got a copy of
RT-11 V5.03 on an 'RL02'; however, an RL02's worth of excess files won't
quite fit on an RX50. 
3:51 p.m.
New subject: Making RT-11 bootable
Pat Finnegan wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jun 2002, Ethan Dicks wrote:
There were two sets of drivers provided, as i recall. The x-ending were
used with the RT11-XM (extended memory) monitor, the non-x set was used
by the other 3 RT monitors
-nick o
--- Pat Finnegan <pat(a)purdueriots.com>
wrote:
I do not know off the top of my head, but I have an original distro
of RT-11 v5.3 on RX50 that includes an extra disk for the Pro series.
OK, I now have a bootable RX-50. My question is what is the difference
between DL.SYS and DLX.SYS drivers? Is the non-x version unibus and the
with-x version qbus or something?
-- Pat
I'm trying to get a bootable copy of RT-11
onto an RX50 so I can try to
install it onto my DEC Pro380. Here's what I've heard so far (see below
for question).
On Wed, 22 May 2002, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
...RT-11
also runs on the PRO350,
but you must have an RX50 that allows RT-11 to boot. If
you have all the required files on the RX50 that runs on a normal
PDP-11, then for the RT11XM monitor, add (assuming they are missing):
OK, does anyone know what the 'required files' are? I've got a copy of
RT-11 V5.03 on an 'RL02'; however, an RL02's worth of excess files won't
quite fit on an RX50.
20 Jun
20 Jun
1:49 a.m.
New subject: Making RT-11 bootable
Pat Finnegan wrote:
OK, I now have a bootable RX-50. My question is what
is the difference
between DL.SYS and DLX.SYS drivers? Is the non-x version unibus and the
with-x version qbus or something?
Jerome Fine replies:
Two aspects of your question indicate you are a newbie
RT-11 user:
(a) You don't specify what you are booting on the RX50 -
probably because you don't know - let alone which hardware
type of computer is being used
(b) You don't know the difference between mapped (e.g. RT11XM)
and unmapped (e.g. RT11FB) monitors (equivalent to the kernel in
UNIX according to Megan Gentry) in RT-11, let alone the details
of how RT-11 handles the Qbus and Unibus versions of the hardware.
Then, there is the difference with the PRO380 in that it uses a CTIbus
(if I remember the name correctly), so additional device drivers are
required to run with the PRO380 since the standard device drivers
which work with the Qbus and Unibus will not function at all in the
PRO380 environment.
If your RX50 floppy was booting a Qbus (or Unibus) system,
and you were running RT11XM, then add the following three files:
PIX.SYS
DZX.SYS
DWX.SYS
Then execute the command:
COPY/BOOT:DZ DU0:RT11XM.SYS DU0:
The RX50 floppy should then be able to boot on the PRO380.
It will be UNABLE to boot using the DUX.SYS device driver
on a Qbus (or Unibus) system using the RX50 floppy drive.
If you also want to be able to boot RT11FB, then also add
PI.SYS
DZ.SYS
DW.SYS
If it works on the PRO380, please let us know.
Do you also have a hard drive on the PRO380? It will use the
DW(X).SYS device driver.
Sincerely yours,
Jerome Fine
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