28 Oct
2003
28 Oct
'03
2:46 a.m.
This is exactly the kind of non-member posting that I've been
complaining about. Artfromny is not a computer collector, he is a well
known seller of Fluke pods on E-bay. He doesn't want these for repairing
classic computers. He wants them to sell on E-bay.
Joe
At 08:23 AM 10/27/03 -0800, Gene wrote:
Oh look, the idiot trap caught another one....
g.
On Thu, 23 Oct 2003, Art Mallet - Artfromny - formerly A218(a)aol.com wrote:
Hi I saw a vectorlist mention that you had Fluke
pods.
Please quote for
quantity 2 - 9000A-8085
quantity 2 - 9000A-6809
Please include air insured shipping to US zip 12118. Payment will be made
in
certified funds in advance of shipping. Thank you
Art Mallet
Art
NOTE: The tax message below applies only to items that I am selling NOT
items that I am buying or have bought or won on eBay.
If I have posted an item for sale or this email is in reference to an item
that I have for sale,
NY State sales tax of 7.25% applies to all sales shipped to a NY State
address or
picked up at my warehouse.
28 Oct
28 Oct
6:37 a.m.
New subject: hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :) AND Re: RFQ Fluke pods
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe" <rigdonj(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :) AND Re: RFQ Fluke
pods
This is exactly the kind of non-member posting that
I've been
complaining about. Artfromny is not a computer collector, he is a well
known seller of Fluke pods on E-bay. He doesn't want these for repairing
classic computers. He wants them to sell on E-bay.
Joe
I agree non-members posts should not hit this list. But lets say this guy
googled his way into finding an item he could sell and then joined the list
so he could buy the items for resale, is that a bad thing? Judging from the
few firesales that have happened in the last few months and the fact that
the Vintage Computer Marketplace has come about are resellers discouraged
from joining the list?
I am just curious since the items I buy/get are for my personal collection
and not for sale. I am typing this on a Northgate keyboard I got from a
member here and have noticed some of the new messages asking about a
northgate keyboard for sale from way back when (they fetch a few bucks on
ebay). If I did have something in excess that I wanted to sell I would
rather see it go to somebody who would use it (like list members) then
somebody who is just going to flog it on ebay for a buck.
TZ
12:21 p.m.
New subject: hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :) AND Re: RFQ Fluke pods
ok, I give.
When one goes to approve messages, one sees the subject line, not the text
of the message. If the subject line looks reasonable I pass it. If the
subject line looks suspect (or the originating email address does) then I
take the time to click the message and read the full text. I read the entire
list traffic in my OWN mailbox, so when I go to moderate/approve posts I
generally have some memory of what went OT and what didn't. But hey, I'm
human, and make mistakes, and often try to just get through it quickly. I
was really hoping to not have my moderation tasks take hours instead of
minutes twice a day.
In retrospect, this is a bad algorithm on my part. Makes it hard to catch
originally valid threads that have drifted off topic. I'll just double my
time moderating. No Problem, time is easy (sarcasm).
Many times I see non-members post to the list obviously from a google
search. Many times I sympathize with the guy, looking for something obscure.
God knows *I'VE* been there. I shouldn't be so free with your guys time to
delete the posts :) Instead, I'll have to be more free with my time. Thanks
for letting me know "Artfromny" is a ebay profiteer, I had no clue. I need
to spend a lot more time scanning ebay and keeping track of this stuff!!
Ok, enough whiny sarcasm on my part. I'm actually in a heated contest with
"Grumpy Ol' Fred" to steal his "Grumpy" title *GRIN* But
seriously, one list
member has been kind enough to offer his time to you all to help keep the
flow of moderated posts going, and to more closely check the content. I
could always use another person or two to help flag posts as
"accept/reject/discard". Any takers? Joe, you offering? :)
Jay
11:20 p.m.
New subject: hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :) AND Re: RFQ Flukepods
Jay,
Sure, I'll help out. That's only reasonable since I've been one of the
more vocal opponnents to non-member postings. My schedule is sort of
erratic so I can't always promise how quickly I'll review the message but
since they all seem to come from OLD threads I don't see that as a problem.
Joe
At 08:21 PM 10/28/03 -0600, you wrote:
ok, I give.
When one goes to approve messages, one sees the subject line, not the text
of the message. If the subject line looks reasonable I pass it. If the
subject line looks suspect (or the originating email address does) then I
take the time to click the message and read the full text. I read the entire
list traffic in my OWN mailbox, so when I go to moderate/approve posts I
generally have some memory of what went OT and what didn't. But hey, I'm
human, and make mistakes, and often try to just get through it quickly. I
was really hoping to not have my moderation tasks take hours instead of
minutes twice a day.
In retrospect, this is a bad algorithm on my part. Makes it hard to catch
originally valid threads that have drifted off topic. I'll just double my
time moderating. No Problem, time is easy (sarcasm).
Many times I see non-members post to the list obviously from a google
search. Many times I sympathize with the guy, looking for something obscure.
God knows *I'VE* been there. I shouldn't be so free with your guys time to
delete the posts :) Instead, I'll have to be more free with my time. Thanks
for letting me know "Artfromny" is a ebay profiteer, I had no clue. I need
to spend a lot more time scanning ebay and keeping track of this stuff!!
Ok, enough whiny sarcasm on my part. I'm actually in a heated contest with
"Grumpy Ol' Fred" to steal his "Grumpy" title *GRIN* But
seriously, one list
member has been kind enough to offer his time to you all to help keep the
flow of moderated posts going, and to more closely check the content. I
could always use another person or two to help flag posts as
"accept/reject/discard". Any takers? Joe, you offering? :)
Jay
29 Oct
29 Oct
1:14 a.m.
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Jay West wrote:
ok, I give.
Yes, you give a great deal - that mainly goes unapprecieated by some of
us (a lot of us) ((most of us))... everybody in the office wants the
thermostat set for thier comfort zone, and wants their music on the MOH on
the phone system... so everybody hates the Facilities person. ;{}
C'est la vie...
member has been kind enough to offer his time to you
all to help keep the
flow of moderated posts going, and to more closely check the content. I
could always use another person or two to help flag posts as
"accept/reject/discard". Any takers? Joe, you offering? :)
I am able to do this on an almost daily basis, save when infrequently
travelling - then there might be a day's delay until I can get to a Net
connection.
I volunteer to 'screen' no-subbed posts. What's ironic is that I've
volunteered to do just this, every time this cranky old subject comes up.
It's really too simple, and every other maillist I belong to has it
pretty well worked out.
Put the 'listname' in the 'Subject:' field
automagically -
Provide PROMINENT sub-unsub info (for Lusers to ignore so
we can right properly flame 'em...).
Tolerate the Googlers - most folks DO NOT KNOW what a mailing list is or
how it works, so yes, they think they're replying to an e-mail - how else
would they know??? You guys who are so down on every one of these type
posts are getting just a bit old-net-school elitist and curmudgeonly...
just DELETE the damn things and get on with your life... it's not like
there a hundred posts a day - "I saw your message about VCF 1 and I'd like
to know where it is and..."
Be vigilant for the 'abusers' - guys who are trolling us looking for
merchandise, rather than collectors of sincere people with a legacy
computing problem we can help solve, or with some choice gear they'd
otherwise be dumpstering ("skipping"??).
Just lighten up a bit - It's Only a Hobby. (C'ept for maybe Sellam...)
More 200 Millidollars from
John KB6SCO
2:11 a.m.
ok, I [Jay]
give.
Yes, you give a great deal - that mainly goes unapprecieated by some of
us (a lot of us) ((most of us))... everybody in the office wants the
thermostat set for thier comfort zone, and wants their music on the MOH on
the phone system... so everybody hates the Facilities person. ;{}
Oh, did I
mention I just fired one? :)
I am able to do this on an almost daily basis, save
when infrequently
travelling - then there might be a day's delay until I can get to a Net
connection.
I volunteer to 'screen' no-subbed posts. What's ironic is that I've
volunteered to do just this, every time this cranky old subject comes up.
You have
my vote, John.
Put the 'listname' in the 'Subject:'
field
automagically -
Oh, didnt we already flame this to death when I suggested it?
Just lighten up a bit - It's Only a Hobby.
(C'ept for maybe Sellam...)
Its his hobby too, though he often doesnt act like
it :)
Fred
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2:17 a.m.
New subject: hmm... new batch of search engine mailers :) AND Re: RFQ Fluke pods
John wrote....
Yes, you give a great deal - that mainly goes
unapprecieated by some of
us (a lot of us) ((most of us))... everybody in the office wants the
thermostat set for thier comfort zone, and wants their music on the MOH on
the phone system... so everybody hates the Facilities person. ;{}
Ya know, it's normally not a big deal at all. Just right now I have several
of the other areas of my life conspiring to get in my face and usurp my
hobby demmit!
I am able to do this on an almost daily basis, save
when infrequently
travelling - then there might be a day's delay until I can get to a Net
connection.
I volunteer to 'screen' no-subbed posts. What's ironic is that I've
volunteered to do just this, every time this cranky old subject comes up.
You're hired. I'll contact you offlist.
Jay
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6:07 a.m.
On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Grumpy Ol' Jay West wrote:
Ok, enough whiny sarcasm on my part. I'm actually
in a heated contest with
"Grumpy Ol' Fred" to steal his "Grumpy" title *GRIN* But
seriously, one list
There is no finite limit on how many can be grumpy, although
realisticly things don't work well if there are too many
curmudgeons. My grumpiness comes from chronic pain and dealing
with college administrators (I teach).
But we are surely enough of a pain in the ass to justify you being grumpy.
Thank you for putting up with us.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin(a)xenosoft.com
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