15 Nov
2013
15 Nov
'13
4:39 a.m.
Hi folks,
In my quest to find earlier versions of APL\11 I have come across
something called yale-apl, which is most likely from the Unix version
6 era. I can run Unix v6 under simh but I am at a loss on how to
transfer binary or even text files into it. I have been able to
transfer files from a Unix v7 without difficulty but v6 seems to be
quite different. There is no tar utility in v6.
Does anyone have any ideas?
15 Nov
15 Nov
10:46 a.m.
On 11/15/2013 03:39 AM, Mark Longridge wrote:
Hi folks,
In my quest to find earlier versions of APL\11 I have come across
something called yale-apl, which is most likely from the Unix version
6 era. I can run Unix v6 under simh but I am at a loss on how to
transfer binary or even text files into it. I have been able to
transfer files from a Unix v7 without difficulty but v6 seems to be
quite different. There is no tar utility in v6.
It has been a _very_ long time
since I played with V6, but I seem to
remember dump and restor existing - you might be able to start there.
You might be able to use V7 dump under simh to create a tape image, then
restor it under V7...
It is also barely possible that you could get gkermit running...
1:44 p.m.
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Subject: transfering files to Unix version 6
Hi folks,
In my quest to find earlier versions of APL\11 I have come across something
called yale-apl, which is most likely from the Unix version
6 era. I can run Unix v6 under simh but I am at a loss on how to transfer
binary or even text files into it. I have been able to transfer files from a Unix
v7 without difficulty but v6 seems to be quite different. There is no tar utility
in v6.
Does anyone have any ideas?
Yup: use PUTR with virtual media that can be mounted on your SIMH machine. I've found
it works best if you ATtach the media and initialize it in SIMH, then detach it from SIMH
and mount the media in PUTR. -- Ian
4:49 p.m.
On 15/11/13 09:39, Mark Longridge wrote:
Hi folks,
In my quest to find earlier versions of APL\11 I have come across
something called yale-apl, which is most likely from the Unix version
6 era. I can run Unix v6 under simh but I am at a loss on how to
transfer binary or even text files into it. I have been able to
transfer files from a Unix v7 without difficulty but v6 seems to be
quite different. There is no tar utility in v6.
Does anyone have any ideas?
cpio, compress, kermit?
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
4:57 p.m.
On 11/15/13 3:49 PM, Philip Pemberton wrote:
On 15/11/13 09:39, Mark Longridge wrote:
uuencode?
Hi folks,
In my quest to find earlier versions of APL\11 I have come across
something called yale-apl, which is most likely from the Unix version
6 era. I can run Unix v6 under simh but I am at a loss on how to
transfer binary or even text files into it. I have been able to
transfer files from a Unix v7 without difficulty but v6 seems to be
quite different. There is no tar utility in v6.
Does anyone have any ideas?
cpio, compress, kermit?
5:21 p.m.
On 15/11/2013 21:57, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
On 11/15/13 3:49 PM, Philip Pemberton wrote:
I have also seen BOO format, and did Unix v6 have "arc"
rather than TAR?
On 15/11/13 09:39, Mark Longridge wrote:
uuencode? Hi folks,
In my quest to find earlier versions of APL\11 I have come across
something called yale-apl, which is most likely from the Unix version
6 era. I can run Unix v6 under simh but I am at a loss on how to
transfer binary or even text files into it. I have been able to
transfer files from a Unix v7 without difficulty but v6 seems to be
quite different. There is no tar utility in v6.
Does anyone have any ideas?
cpio, compress, kermit?
7:17 p.m.
Get the v7 tar source and back port to v6.
On Nov 15, 2013 5:24 PM, "Dave" <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
On 15/11/2013 21:57, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
On 11/15/13 3:49 PM, Philip Pemberton wrote:
I have also seen BOO format, and did Unix v6 have
"arc" rather than TAR?
On 15/11/13 09:39, Mark Longridge wrote:
Hi folks,
In my quest to find earlier versions of APL\11 I have come across
something called yale-apl, which is most likely from the Unix version
6 era. I can run Unix v6 under simh but I am at a loss on how to
transfer binary or even text files into it. I have been able to
transfer files from a Unix v7 without difficulty but v6 seems to be
quite different. There is no tar utility in v6.
Does anyone have any ideas?
cpio, compress, kermit?
uuencode? 
7:40 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 03:57:33PM -0600, Ryan K. Brooks wrote:
On 11/15/13 3:49 PM, Philip Pemberton wrote:
ar
- Diane
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On 15/11/13 09:39, Mark Longridge wrote:
uuencode? Hi folks,
In my quest to find earlier versions of APL\11 I have come across
something called yale-apl, which is most likely from the Unix version
6 era. I can run Unix v6 under simh but I am at a loss on how to
transfer binary or even text files into it. I have been able to
transfer files from a Unix v7 without difficulty but v6 seems to be
quite different. There is no tar utility in v6.
Does anyone have any ideas?
cpio, compress, kermit?
17 Nov
17 Nov
6:14 p.m.
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 04:39:01AM -0500, Mark Longridge wrote:
In my quest to find earlier versions of APL\11 I have
come across something
called yale-apl, which is most likely from the Unix version 6 era. I can run
Unix v6 under simh but I am at a loss on how to transfer binary or even text
files into it. I have been able to transfer files from a Unix v7 without
difficulty but v6 seems to be quite different. There is no tar utility in v6.
Does anyone have any ideas?
v6 has ar(1):
http://man.cat-v.org/unix-6th/1/ar
The BUGS at the end are severe enough that you should read them and take heed
when creating an archive on a modern system.
Another wheeze which I've used for file transfer a few times is to plug the
disk into a Linux box and mount the filesystem directly. I've even plugged a
machine's external SCSI connector into a SCSI card on my PC, which lets both
machines access the disk simultaneously. You obviously need to be *very*
careful to not simultaneously mount the same filesystem from both machines.
6:55 p.m.
I've even plugged a machine's external SCSI
connector into a SCSI
card on my PC, which lets both machines access the disk
simultaneously.
Don't you run into issues with both host adapters trying to use ID 7?
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7:22 p.m.
On Nov 17, 2013, at 6:55 PM, Mouse wrote:
Not if you have adaptors whose host ID can be set. The CMD
CQD-220, at least, has a jumper setting for this. Part of
that is for multi-homed SCSI arrays; I don't think the CQD-220
supported things like VAXCluster over SCSI/MSCP, but it did
support multi-homed arrays.
- Dave
I've even
plugged a machine's external SCSI connector into a SCSI
card on my PC, which lets both machines access the disk
simultaneously.
Don't you run into issues with both host adapters trying to use ID 7?
7:40 p.m.
On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 06:55:01PM -0500, Mouse wrote:
Host adaptors aren't *required* to use ID 7, but many are hardwired to that
because it's the simplest (and cheapest) way to do it.
I used an AHA-1510 for this. It, and a whole load of other low-end ISA SCSI
controllers used the same controller chip, the AIC-6260. I've pulled out the
datasheet: it can do "up to" 4MB/s, thanks to it being limited to 8 bit ISA DMA
or 16 bit PIO, and its buffer is smaller than a disk sector. It really is an
utter pile of crap, and is the kind of hardware that gave PCs a bad name.
However, because it's as dumb as bricks and offloads onto the host CPU, the
SCSI ID can be changed at will in the driver. This was one of the two reasons I
held on to the card rather than take a sledge hammer to it. The other reason is
that I didn't have a sledge hammer.
I've even
plugged a machine's external SCSI connector into a SCSI card on my
PC, which lets both machines access the disk simultaneously.
Don't you run
into issues with both host adapters trying to use ID 7? 
18 Nov
18 Nov
3:28 a.m.
On Sun, 17 Nov 2013, Peter Corlett wrote:
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 04:39:01AM -0500, Mark
Longridge wrote:
...or accidentally supply termpwr from both host adapters...the results of
doing so with some host adapters aren't pretty ;)
Some of the earlier PC compatible host adapters had a small
removable/replaceable fuse which helped prevent damage to cabling or board
traces, but some of the less expensive boards have little or no such
protection (the later, better designed boards often used a self-resetting
fuse [polyfuse]). A 28-26AWG wire in the typical SCSI cable just isn't
capable of supplying very much current.
In my quest to find earlier versions of APL\11 I
have come across
something called yale-apl, which is most likely from the Unix version 6
era. I can run Unix v6 under simh but I am at a loss on how to transfer
binary or even text files into it. I have been able to transfer files
from a Unix v7 without difficulty but v6 seems to be quite different.
There is no tar utility in v6.
Does anyone have any ideas?
v6 has ar(1):
http://man.cat-v.org/unix-6th/1/ar
The BUGS at the end are severe enough that you should read them and take
heed when creating an archive on a modern system.
Another wheeze which I've used for file transfer a few times is to plug
the disk into a Linux box and mount the filesystem directly. I've even
plugged a machine's external SCSI connector into a SCSI card on my PC,
which lets both machines access the disk simultaneously. You obviously
need to be *very* careful to not simultaneously mount the same
filesystem from both machines.
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