8 Dec
1999
8 Dec
'99
11:50 a.m.
I have 0 experience with Sun. I have a friend who really likes Sun but has a
Sun SPARC IPX?. What model does anyone here recommend I buy for just under
$2K US. I see the Sun IPXs are selling cheap on eBay so are they a low end
machine? [thats what he has right now].
I am buying this for an XMAS present - probably on eBay.
I see right now:
Sun SPARC 10,7,5, Ultra 1, and others.
Any recommendations?
john
http://www.pdp8.com/
8 Dec
8 Dec
1:06 p.m.
John B wrote:
I have 0 experience with Sun.
[snip]
I see right now:
Sun SPARC 10,7,5, Ultra 1, and others.
Any recommendations?
If you can find an Ultra something (other than an Ultra 5 -- it's
cheapness incarnate) for less that $2K it's a good bet; at least
it can run 64 bit code under 2.7 (nee "Solaris 7") and later.
Failing that a 150Mhz Ross HyperSparc equipped machine can at least
get out of its way; I use a dual 150 as my daily beater.
Best,
Chris
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1:28 p.m.
Do a net search for the "Sun Hardware FAQ" first. It has all the
specifications for the machines, and info on what processor module
configurations work, etc.
Aaron
On Wed, 8 Dec 1999, John B wrote:
I have 0 experience with Sun. I have a friend who
really likes Sun but has a
Sun SPARC IPX?. What model does anyone here recommend I buy for just under
$2K US. I see the Sun IPXs are selling cheap on eBay so are they a low end
machine? [thats what he has right now].
I am buying this for an XMAS present - probably on eBay.
I see right now:
Sun SPARC 10,7,5, Ultra 1, and others.
Any recommendations?
john
http://www.pdp8.com/
1:36 p.m.
On Wed, Dec 08, 1999 at 05:50:36PM -0500, John B wrote:
I am buying this for an XMAS present - probably on
eBay.
I see right now:
Sun SPARC 10,7,5, Ultra 1, and others.
Any recommendations?
john
http://www.pdp8.com/
You can get a brand-new Ultra 5 system now from Sun for $1995. I have
one, and its great.
<self-promotion mode on> You might also want to check out my web site
, http://www.sunhelp.org. I've got FAQs, informational files, news, and
links to vendors that sell used Sun equipment. I wouldnt recommend EBay
as a source.
Feel free to mail privately if you have ANY questions.
bill
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2:17 p.m.
I have 0 experience with Sun. I have a friend who
really likes Sun but has a
Sun SPARC IPX?. What model does anyone here recommend I buy for just under
$2K US. I see the Sun IPXs are selling cheap on eBay so are they a low end
machine? [thats what he has right now].
I am buying this for an XMAS present - probably on eBay.
I see right now:
Sun SPARC 10,7,5, Ultra 1, and others.
Any recommendations?
john
I'd recommend one of the following:
used Sparc 20 w/Dual SM71 CPU's, 128MB+ RAM, 2GB+ Hard Drive
Reasons for: Coolness factor, can get this config w/21" monitor for
about $1500
Reasons Against: Slow by todays standards, cost of 100Mbit Ethernet
and 24-Bit graphics
used Ultra 1 w/128MB+ RAM, 24-bit colour
Reasons for: ?
Reasons Against: Cost of 100Mbit Graphics, slow by todays standards
new Ultra 5 for $1995
Reasons for: Killer price for a nicely outfited box
Reasons against: only 64MB RAM (this is easy to fix), PCI, EIDE HD
I'm personally looking at all of the above, and will probably go with a
Sparc 20 in that config when the price drops low enough. Emotionally I think
the Sparc 20 is very cool, logically I think it's overpriced, for it's
speed and age. Personally the Ultra 1's don't interest me, I'd rather go
with a Ultra 5 despite it's short comings if I was to get an Ultra. The
system I'd *REALLY* like isn't listed above, is a nice Dual Processor Ultra 2
with plenty of RAM and HD space, but those run $10k+!
Because of the above reasonings my main Solaris box is a Dual Processor
400Mhz Celeron w/256MB RAM, 6GB Hard Drive, 24-Bit colour, 100Mbit ethernet,
32x CD-ROM, 16bit soundcard. Such a beast will blow any of the above away
and cost under $1000. <sigh> Not as cool as a Sun box, but it makes a lot
more sense from a monitary standpoint. Oddly enough when it's running
Solaris it's also the box Netscape runs the fastest on...
Zane
2:43 p.m.
healyzh(a)aracnet.com wrote:
used Sparc 20 w/Dual SM71 CPU's, 128MB+ RAM, 2GB+ Hard Drive
Reasons for: Coolness factor, can get this config w/21" monitor for
about $1500
Reasons Against: Slow by todays standards, cost of 100Mbit Ethernet
and 24-Bit graphics
used Ultra 1 w/128MB+ RAM, 24-bit colour
Reasons for: ?
Reasons Against: Cost of 100Mbit Graphics, slow by todays standards
new Ultra 5 for $1995
Reasons for: Killer price for a nicely outfited box
Reasons against: only 64MB RAM (this is easy to fix), PCI, EIDE HD
Hi
I have to put in a plug for my company. Sun isn't
the only Sparc out there. Check ours out at:
http://www.hal.com/
We design processors for Fujitsu's high end Sparcs and servers.
Sorry about the blatant Add. but he did ask about what
to buy.
Dwight
3:10 p.m.
Rumor has it that healyzh(a)aracnet.com may have mentioned these words:
Because of the above reasonings my main Solaris box is
a Dual Processor
400Mhz Celeron w/256MB RAM, 6GB Hard Drive, 24-Bit colour, 100Mbit ethernet,
32x CD-ROM, 16bit soundcard. Such a beast will blow any of the above away
and cost under $1000. <sigh> Not as cool as a Sun box, but it makes a lot
more sense from a monitary standpoint. Oddly enough when it's running
Solaris it's also the box Netscape runs the fastest on...
Zane
I've not had a chance to install Solaris "7" on my box yet, but I'd
wager
that Linux/Netscape on my box is just as fast... 'course, the UW SCSI /
Dual P2-350's might have something to do with it... ;-)
BTW, if you can buy that system for under 1K, do it! Altho RAM has come
down, it's still not nearly as low as it was 6 mo. ago, and 256M still
costs a pretty chunk of change these days.
To bring this (kinda) back on topic, is there a freeware CoCo emulator for
Linux out there? (Actually, even a 6809-only emulator would be cool...)
Thanks,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
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Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
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3:26 p.m.
Rumor has it that healyzh(a)aracnet.com may have mentioned these words:
Well, if I could use the UDMA/66 drive as a UDMA/66 it would beat that no
problem. Unfortunatly I don't believe that Solaris, BeOS, OPENSTEP, and
maybe even Linux support UDMA/66's. It's my Multi-OS box so compatibility
is more important than speed, and it's got plenty of speed for me.
Because of the above reasonings my main Solaris
box is a Dual Processor
400Mhz Celeron w/256MB RAM, 6GB Hard Drive, 24-Bit colour, 100Mbit ethernet,
32x CD-ROM, 16bit soundcard. Such a beast will blow any of the above away
and cost under $1000. <sigh> Not as cool as a Sun box, but it makes a lot
more sense from a monitary standpoint. Oddly enough when it's running
Solaris it's also the box Netscape runs the fastest on...
Zane
I've not had a chance to install Solaris "7" on my box yet, but I'd
wager
that Linux/Netscape on my box is just as fast... 'course, the UW SCSI /
Dual P2-350's might have something to do with it... ;-) BTW, if you can buy that system for under 1K, do it!
Altho RAM has come
down, it's still not nearly as low as it was 6 mo. ago, and 256M still
costs a pretty chunk of change these days.
Oops! <blush> Good point, with RAM prices you might not be able to do it
for 1K at the moment. I built it in July, and got the two 128MB sticks for
$92 apiece. The system didn't/doesn't need that much memory, but I couldn't
resist it at that price :^)
To bring this (kinda) back on topic, is there a
freeware CoCo emulator for
Linux out there? (Actually, even a 6809-only emulator would be cool...)
http://www.multimania.com/jth/6809.html
Also, believe it or not, look at Xmame, it apparently can emulate the CoCo
now?!?!
Zane
3:36 p.m.
Well, if I could use the UDMA/66 drive as a UDMA/66 it would beat that no
problem. Unfortunatly I don't believe that Solaris, BeOS, OPENSTEP, and
maybe even Linux support UDMA/66's. It's my Multi-OS box so compatibility
is more important than speed, and it's got plenty of speed for me.
A little (totally) off-topic, but Linux does support the UDMA/66 found on
boards like the Abit BP-6, etc. I have a dual Celery 466 system with an
IBM UDMA/66 drive and it is *fast*.
Aaron
3:36 p.m.
New subject: CoCoLinux (was: I am buying someone a Sun SPARC?. What do I buy?
Rumor has it that healyzh(a)aracnet.com may have mentioned these words:
Who ran the benchmarks? Most UDMA/66 drives I've seen are still 5400RPM and
can't hold a candle to the 7200/10000RPM SCSI3W drives for access times &
buffer sizes (or you'll pay *more* for the UDMA drives to get the same
thruput...) Also, even WinNT doesn't *seem* to support UDMA (tried to
install one... it puked.) so that means that the standard isn't supported
by an operating system. ;-)
Also remember, UDMA still requires a lot more CPU than any SCSI controller
worth 1/2 it's salt.
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Roger "Merch" Merchberger --- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
Recycling is good, right??? Ok, so I'll recycle an old .sig.
If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
I've not
had a chance to install Solaris "7" on my box yet, but I'd wager
that Linux/Netscape on my box is just as fast... 'course, the UW SCSI /
Dual P2-350's might have something to do with it... ;-)
Well, if I could use the UDMA/66 drive as a UDMA/66 it would beat that no
problem. Unfortunatly I don't believe that Solaris, BeOS, OPENSTEP, and
maybe even Linux support UDMA/66's. It's my Multi-OS box so compatibility
is more important than speed, and it's got plenty of speed for me. The system didn't/doesn't need that much
memory, but I couldn't
resist it at that price :^)
Neither does mine, but the "ooh's" & "aah's" are pretty
neat... ;-)
To bring this (kinda) back on topic, is there a
freeware CoCo emulator for
Linux out there? (Actually, even a 6809-only emulator would be cool...)
http://www.multimania.com/jth/6809.html
Also, believe it or not, look at Xmame, it apparently can emulate the CoCo
now?!?!
Zane
4:11 p.m.
New subject: CoCoLinux (was: I am buying someone a Sun SPARC?. What do I
Well, if I
could use the UDMA/66 drive as a UDMA/66 it would beat that no
problem. Unfortunatly I don't believe that Solaris, BeOS, OPENSTEP, and
maybe even Linux support UDMA/66's. It's my Multi-OS box so compatibility
is more important than speed, and it's got plenty of speed for me.
Who ran the benchmarks? Most UDMA/66 drives I've seen are still 5400RPM and
can't hold a candle to the 7200/10000RPM SCSI3W drives for access times &
buffer sizes (or you'll pay *more* for the UDMA drives to get the same
thruput...) Also, even WinNT doesn't *seem* to support UDMA (tried to
install one... it puked.) so that means that the standard isn't supported
by an operating system. ;-)
Also remember, UDMA still requires a lot more CPU than any SCSI controller
worth 1/2 it's salt. 
8 p.m.
New subject: cheap drives (OT)
Gack! I was just looking at that site, it looks like
Maxtor now has a 41GB
UDMA/66 drive with a suggested price of $350! WOW! So what if it's slow,
I'm looking for a couple BIG, cheap drives for a backup server I want to
build one of these days.
This from the deal-mac web site.
Computers4SURE.com offers the Maxtor DiamondMax 40.9GB EIDE UltraDMA/66
5400 rpm internal hard drive, model no. K0194000U, for $257.99 plus $8.10
shipping. That's about $12 less than NECX's SpotShop price mentioned
yesterday and the lowest we've seen so far ... $6.30 per GB. (7:05a)
7:52 p.m.
used Sparc 20 w/Dual SM71 CPU's, 128MB+ RAM, 2GB+
Hard Drive
Reasons for: Coolness factor, can get this config w/21" monitor for
about $1500
One of my friends sold 4 Sparc 20's at TRW 32 MB/1 GB no monitor, $325
each. Retail with a monitor around here is about $950.
The trouble I see with a Sparc is that as the price goes down, your into
stoneage performance before it gets cheap.
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