-----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Fred Cisin Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 3:32 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Our Museum Need a special help.. On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote: 15,000 floppy drives could be used as bricks to build a building! First thing I thought too. A 40 X 12 foot wall. Maybe hook up the drive selects and blink patterns? -jim

________________________________ From: jim davis <jimpdavis at gorge.net> First thing I thought too. A 40 X 12 foot wall. Maybe hook up the drive selects and blink patterns? C: Wo that's a lot of friggin magnetism though. Maybe they're constructing an induction melting machin to reduce old autos to slag. And likely shut down or blow up the Brazilian power grid. Loads of candles burning in those barrios. ?Or maybe it's just an evil weapon of sorts. Like a Magneto machine from the X-MEN. For throwing large hunks of metal around. Crap.

Given the odd trend for using diskette drives as musical instruments... Floppy drive "pipe" organ? On 9 October 2012 20:24, jim davis <jimpdavis at gorge.net> wrote:

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, jim davis wrote: put some rosin on the head

From: Alexandre Souza - Listas <pu1bzz.listas at gmail.com> ? QUINZE MIL FLOPPIES??? Que voces vao fazer com tanto disquete assim?! C: In englaise sil vous plaint. No sprekenzy deutsche! Nor espanolay.

From: David Riley <fraveydank at gmail.com> Um. C: What language is that? Buddhist? a) It's Portuguese, the national language of Brazil. C: It's all Greek to me! b) Alexandre (who is Brazilian) is relaying the translation of Chuck's incredulous message to the original poster (who is also Brazilian) in a language he may be better able to grok. C: But he gave it in englaise originally. I saw no reason to switch to Brazilian-speak. ?Alexandre was just showing of anyway. We all already knew he speaks espanole'. No need to show off. c) If you want it in English, read Chuck's original message. C: I just want to eat dinner. Can I go now?

Top posting due to silly following comments. I don't think 15000 3.5" floppy drives have any value over .03 usd each, Thats a couple hundred bucks for scrap. I've been digging through my pile to find a drive that will select 0, not 1 (pc default) for a Atari ST restoration. Jim- -----Original Message----- From: cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of SPC Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2012 11:13 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Our Museum Need a special help.. NO greek. NO spanish. Buddish language don't exists. If you need some help with Spanish, Alexandre (I doubt), send me a touch :-) But this request sounds (with all my initial respect to the sender) as a 'Nigerian letter', with the difference that it appears to be specially destinated to this list. He can request a donation for food, or for one hospital, or whatever he consider, without response. tries to arouse the curiosity of the members of this mailing list. SPc.

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012, Fred Cisin wrote: /...now where did I put all those AOL floppy disks?/

On Oct 10, 2012, at 7:47 PM, jim s wrote: Do they still work? About half the 3.5" disks I've bought in the past 10 years or so were DOA and had soft errors after a format in an otherwise reliable drive. Most of the ones I have from the mid-'80s to early '90s still work fine 100% of the time. - Dave

On 10/10/2012 11:00 AM, Fred Cisin wrote: Yes, wondered that myself - perhaps '15.000' given the space after the 15, as though a character maybe got dropped in some message conversion along the way (although it's strange to see someone writing three trailing zeros; two might be more common, albeit still unusual). Indeed - the "new in box" requirement seems a little odd for drives, but perhaps not for disks if they were to be given away (and so needed to be blank) cheers Jules

Umm. Nooo!!! Greek uses that strange (but beautiful) letters...Alpha, Beta, Gama, Delta... Brazilian-speak ALIAS portuguese :P Hablo espa?ol, parlo italianno, parlez fran?ais, speak english, spretche (a bit of) deustche, and some more obscure languages, but I thought it was a personal mass-message, since it was directed to an empty list of recepients :o) Three jumps to front, a step behind and clap your hands. So you can go! :o)

On Tue, Oct 09, 2012 at 05:01:38PM -0700, Chris Tofu wrote: Greek looks more like: ? ??????????? ???????? ?????? ????? ?? ? ??????????? ??? ?? ???? ??????? ???? ?? ???? ??????? ????????? ??? ?????. Well, ancient Greek at least. :-) -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://Lassie.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:08:53PM -0400, Paul Anderson wrote: Unfortunately I dropped out of the Athenaze group. I'm about to join the new group that'll be using Greek to GCSE. Hopefully I'll get a little further this time. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://Lassie.RawFedDogs.net http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

On Tue, 9 Oct 2012, David Riley wrote: d) Sit down, shut up and let the adults talk. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

On 10/10/2012 10:58 AM, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote: In our country, people think that the USA is the center of the world, the biggest in the world, and the most important in the world. Most people here think EVERYONE whose skin is a shade darker than ours is "Mexican", they all speak "Spanish", and they all eat "Mexican food". I can probably count on one hand the number of people here who realize that: 1. Portuguese is the primary language in Brazil 2. Brazil is almost exactly the same size as the USA 3. Brazil has about 2/3 as many citizens as the USA 4. Brazil's currency is NOT the Peso 5. Mexico is a part of North America It is very embarrassing sometimes. :-( I'm a person who failed nearly every course in high school, due to disinterest and a crappy system, and even *I* know these things! I'm apologize for the way most of us are. We are just clueless, and we mean no disrespect. (well, most of us don't) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012, Chuck Guzis wrote: Some parts of Mexico are counted as part of Middle America. Christian

On 10/11/2012 03:41 PM, Chris Tofu wrote: Well, it depends upon your viewpoint. Consider the IOC, for instance. From WikiP: "Prior to 1951, the official handbook stated that each color corresponded to a particular continent: blue for Europe, yellow for Asia, black for Africa, green for Australia and Oceania and red for America (North and South considered as a single continent)" And many Spanish-speaking countries consider the North and South sub-continents to be part of the larger single American continent, in much the same way, for example that India lies on a subcontinent of Asia. Central America is loosely thought of as the skinny isthmus connecting the two sub-continents. Again, from WikiP: "Physiographically, Central America is the tapering isthmus of southern North America, with unique and varied features extending from the north-western borders of Belize and Guatemala southeastward to the Isthmus of Panama where it connects to the Colombian Pacific Lowlands in northwestern South America. Alternatively, some physiographists locate its northern border at some point in the Isthmus of Tehuantepec, Mexico." Geologically, most of Central America, however it's defined, lies on the Caribbean Plate, which is another distinguishing characteristic, as it's bordered on the north and south by the North American plate and the South American plate respectively. Again, it all depends upon your viewpoint. --Chuck

On 10/10/2012 05:51 PM, Rob Jarratt wrote: Sadly that stereotype is based in fact, as many are. It's not universally true, but I'll say the vast majority of people I meet fall under that category. And please ignore my glaring grammatical error ("I'm apologize"), it was an edit error with too much blood in my caffeine stream. ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

On 10/10/12 8:27 AM, "Dave McGuire" <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: I get really tired of such meaningless generalizations. I'm currently in a graduate-level anthropology class where I deal with this all the time: people who use "Western" (as in Western culture, as distinct from pretty much any indigenous culture) as a swear word, people who do not identify themselves as "Western" (despite having been born and raised in the same country as I was) either implicitly assuming or explicitly claiming that 99.9% of us are dumb as rocks and hateful as Hitler... and people who DO identify as US citizens buying into and promulgating this jaundiced self-image. Yes, there's ignorance, bigotry and xenophobia masquerading as patriotism in this country. Those things exist elsewhere, it just looks different elsewhere. There's also intelligence, understanding and empathy in this country. I do NOT mean the "white savior industrial complex" that believes all the brown people of the world are just waiting for "the West" to save them from, well, something or another. No, there are people who read and travel and seek to understand the world views of others. Those people come from other places, too, but they do also come from here. Dave, please don't color "most of us" as "clueless". This sort of self-flagellation feeds a tired stereotype that serves no one. -- Ian

It depends...I find north-americans to be very educated, polite and nice people. It is rare to find a USA-born guy (and from most parts of the world, BTW) who is rude and not helpful. Of course it may be demographics (how many americans I know outside the electronics-computers-nerdy-things world?) but it may be also something that happens everywhere - there are lots of good people and bad people, and they tend to walk in groups of bad, and groups of nice people...

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012, Mouse wrote: That's mor of a "self-fulfilling prophecy". THAT is a "chameleon effect"

On 10/11/2012 10:00 AM, geneb wrote: Very true. And the dumbest of us very rarely hangs around graduate-level anthropology classes. ;) We live in a society defined by Snookie and Wal*Mart. *barf* -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

On 11 October 2012 16:54, geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> wrote: I have never seen the program but I've seen trailers for it. They called to mind Stewie Griffin's line on child beauty pageants (from /Family Guy/): "A first-class ticket to a semen-covered death in a basement." -- Liam Proven ? Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lproven at cix.co.uk ? GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lproven at hotmail.com ? Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Tel: +44 20-8685-0498 ? Cell: +44 7939-087884

On 10/11/2012 11:54 AM, geneb wrote: This goes from "barf" to "projectile vomit". I've not had TV reception in my home for over a decade, and crap like this is why. I download anything I want to watch. (even then, who has time for that stuff?!) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

He uses netflix :)

explain your "screen graffiti" comment - google wasn't much help. what do you mean by that? s2 On 10/11/2012 5:10 PM, Kevin Monceaux wrote:

duh understand. I didn't make the connection! back to sleep now s2 On 10/11/2012 6:46 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 03:46:47PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote: *hualp* *sounds of sudden projectile vomiting* And people wonder why I still haven't found a reason to use the idiots lantern ... And then we can force-feed them cyanide, burn their remains, bury their ashes together with highly radioactive waste and salt the ground that spawned them. One can't be too careful. Kind regards, Alex. -- "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison

On 22 October 2012 20:27, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: They can't be *THAT* bad... Let me see what it's like... Welp, having just watched some TV I can safely say with total confidence that the following is my opinion of those... lovely... advertisements: BURN THEM! BURN ALL OF THEM! THEY MUST BURN IN THE FIREY PITS OF HELL! BURN! BURN! BURN! Good term for it. Luckily most of my TV watching happens to be stuff that was on my PC. Or a giant display of the UNSUPP$:STATUS.TSK program in RSTS/E 10.1; because eh, what the hell, right? Needs more more thermonuclear fire, and being launched into the sun, in my opinion. Cheers, Christian

On 10/11/2012 08:54 AM, geneb wrote: I miss "Sunrise Semester" (Does that date me?). --Chuck

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012, Chuck Guzis wrote: Woah. I haven't seen that since I was a child. Thanks for the memory Chuck. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

Well, yes, but the people who do presumably are aware of _that_. I actually think that part of the problem is that "Western" society _is_ rather stupid in some important respects. In particular, the American Experiment is only some two or three centuries old. Most of the rest of the world has had many centuries, millennia for some parts of it, to learn how to live sustainably, at least for local values of "sustainably" (and the difference between local and global there is a separate issue). North America is still living its startup transient, learning through hard experience what (most of) the rest of the world has learned so long ago the learning has been forgotten and the lessons have become an ingrained way of life. "What's the difference between a European and a North American?" "The European thinks 100 miles is a long distance; the North American thinks 100 years is a long time." Of course, "Western" != "North American". But there are strong tendencies that way, and the worst of "Western" culture and society tend to be the pieces that come from North America. I also note - and speculate that it's relevant - that the invasion (usually miscalled "discovery") of the Americas, the point at which the American Experiment started, was also the filling up of the last available habitable land on the planet, at least from the point of view of the now-dominant Western European culture. Since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution (and arguably before), they've been on an exponential growth spurt, and are starting to painfully run into the resource limits that guarantee that curve can't continue forever. The resulting crowding, after well over a human lifetime of getting used to always having somewhere new to expand into, is causing...friction. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTML mouse at rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B

"I was recently on a tour of Latin America, and the only regret that I have was that I didn't study Latin harder in school so I could converse with those people." - Dan Quayle (Vice President of USA) However, the attribution is refuted. http://www.snopes.com/quotes/quayle.asp Maybe the fact that it did need refutation is enough of an example of the existence of stupidity in our culture.

These are GREAT! :oD

No, this is Florida :)

On 11/10/12 11:35 AM, Dave McGuire wrote: And it's all the way down from there... --T

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012, Chris Tofu wrote: If you were any dumber I'd have to water you twice a week. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012, Liam Proven wrote: You're quite welcome! Don't forget to tip your waitress on the way out, but please do tip her back up. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_!

From: Liam Proven <lproven at gmail.com> Beats cow-tipping. They're never appreciative. C: Sounds like the voice of experience. Perhaps they've been unappreciative because they weren't even aware you payed a visit. You have been tweeted. ;?) C: O dear. I'm afraid to ask what that might signify on that side of the pond. They don't even leave the birds alone!

From: geneb <geneb at deltasoft.com> If you were any dumber I'd have to water you twice a week. g. C: And pouring water over my head would accomplish what? ???? I'll admit how awfully dumb I am. But at least I don't go around telling everyone how schmott I am, in an obvious attempt to shroud the obvious truth bozo.

Dave, who in blazes said anything about "Mexicans", or "skin color"??? I would expect this from some pablum puking liberal intending to create schisms and divisiveness where none existed. But not from you. Oh well, live and learn. I've known Brazilian people, face to face. Was even invited to stay at their home if I ever visited (I expressed my interest in it). I've had to be corrected about Brazilian language by Alexandre in the past, and went ahead an made a joke of it. Multiple times. I hardly understand the response. Or the apologies. We know there are ignorant hillbillies in the US. I might imagine even Brazil has their own variety. Most countries would. Have you been to Yugoslavia? They're white (mostly). Have you nearly gotten the **** kicked out of you by someone w/an AK47 slung over their shoulder? Were you nearly drowned on the beach when 3 of the locals endeavored to do so? Are Americans the only people who exhibit ignorance??? Give me a break. ________________________________ From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> On 10/10/2012 10:58 AM, Alexandre Souza - Listas wrote: ? In our country, people think that the USA is the center of the world, the biggest in the world, and the most important in the world.? Most people here think EVERYONE whose skin is a shade darker than ours is "Mexican", they all speak "Spanish", and they all eat "Mexican food". ? I can probably count on one hand the number of people here who realize that: ? 1. Portuguese is the primary language in Brazil ? 2. Brazil is almost exactly the same size as the USA ? 3. Brazil has about 2/3 as many citizens as the USA ? 4. Brazil's currency is NOT the Peso ? 5. Mexico is a part of North America ? It is very embarrassing sometimes. :-(? I'm a person who failed nearly every course in high school, due to disinterest and a crappy system, and even *I* know these things! ? I'm apologize for the way most of us are.? We are just clueless, and we mean no disrespect. (well, most of us don't) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 11:27:17AM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: 1.1. The Portuguese spoken in Brazil has a pile of small, but important (and potentially embarrassing) differences from the Portuguese spoken in Portugal. (tongue firmly in cheeck) Of course not, the Peso is the currency of the USA, right? (bloke I know keeps talking about the "US Peso") Having brazilian cow-orkers can be quite enlightening ;-) Kind regards, Alex. -- "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." -- Thomas A. Edison

On 10/9/2012 3:36 PM, arcarlini at iee.org wrote: I sent a query by Facebook from the info in his original message. I'll relay what I find out. There is enough information on the facebook pages to suggest that the guy is actually related to a history musuem, but of course the place to send the money smells to high heaven and could be a hijacking by phishing people to this list. Any idea who approves and how these sorts of messages creep in here? Are they getting in thru forged email tricks, or is someone who is moderating approving them? Not critical, just trying to understand. This came up before with some of the odd replies that appear, asking for long ago listed available items that were discussed, where the correspondent seems to be replying to an old posting, probably from the archives or google. If all posts must be by approved or pre-approved list members, I wonder how these make it on the list and are distributed. thanks Jim

3 1/2" Floppies would make a great business card for a museum - it would get attention . Pax -- Paxton Hoag Astoria, OR USA

On 10/10/2012 11:35 AM, Sridhar Ayengar wrote: I'm aFRAID already! -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA