I, too, appreciate the work Jay has done on the list. I use this list as an example of a large well managed community. Even though there has been a slight increase of Spam recently it is way, way, way below any other list. We generate more Spam about the Spam than the originators. I am not in favor of closing the list just like I am not in favor of closing the community. Some times moderation is necessary but in IMHO less is best. I believe in self moderation, something we seem to be falling down on lately. If we do not reply to or about the Spam it will be hardly noticeable. And here I am adding to it. I would rather learn about how to attack Spam at it's source. I am learning how to decipher the mail headers. I need to figure out how to automate complaint letters. From what I have seen the direct complaint to the service provider works best. Links to any tutorials would be appreciated, as would recommendations on SW. Paxton Astoria, OR PS From what I have seen most of the Spam the list has gotten is very international in it's source and not traceable back to a single source. The FBI would like copies of the Nigerian Scam emails. They are starting to take it more seriously.