1 Jun
2000
1 Jun
'00
10:42 a.m.
FYI, Woz even talked about how he thought that his 6-chip design was one of
his most brilliant ideas, in an interview in Byte in 1984...
Will J
________________________________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
1 Jun
1 Jun
4:14 p.m.
Ladies & Gents, now I -gotta- know: What were those 6 chips, and is there a
schematic somewhere?
Also, why was this considered such an engineering achievement?
Thanks! -mac
On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Will Jennings wrote:
FYI, Woz even talked about how he thought that his
6-chip design was one of
his most brilliant ideas, in an interview in Byte in 1984...
Will J
6:10 p.m.
Tony Duell listed them earlier today. There's a schematic in the patent,
IIRC. You can always look that up.
This particular design was a noteworthy engineering achievement because of
two factors. (1) Apple was able to replace the more costly logic board on
the drive with one of their own making, which saved a sizeable share of the
then still quite costly Shugart SA400 drives, and (2) this scheme which used
the local processor to do a lot of the work, including controlling the
stepping of the head, also provided DOUBLE DENSITY, which, if one used the
usual approach, i.e. a FDC LSI of one sort or another, would cost about $80
at the time, and that was just for the one IC. It required a fair amount of
support, a minimum of five or six additional IC's to provide head-load
timing, drive and receive the cable, extract clock from the incoming bit
stream, and perform the write precompensation. In the technology of the
time, it was not uncommon to see a dozen IC's involved. Some systems even
provided a DMAC to ensure they tansferred the data quickly enough.
In short is was better because it was way cheaper than the conventional
design. It worked rather well, too.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Cheponis <mac(a)Wireless.Com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: Woz and his 6 chips...
Ladies & Gents, now I -gotta- know: What were
those 6 chips, and is there
a
schematic somewhere?
Also, why was this considered such an engineering achievement?
Thanks! -mac
On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, Will Jennings wrote:
> FYI, Woz even talked about how he thought that his 6-chip design was one
of
his most
brilliant ideas, in an interview in Byte in 1984...
Will J
2 Jun
2 Jun
6:33 a.m.
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: not available
Type: text
Size: 515 bytes
Desc: not available
Url :
http://www.classiccmp.org/pipermail/cctalk/attachments/20000602/0fdff95d/at…
3 Jun
3 Jun
12:51 p.m.
I have dumps of the proms too... Still looking for them though.
clint
On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Tony Duell wrote:
Ladies & Gents, now I -gotta- know: What were those 6 chips, and is there a
schematic somewhere?
I posted the list of chips (actually, all 8 chips on the disk interface
card) yesterday. There's a schematic in the back of the Apple ][ DOS
manual. But be warned that much of the cleverness is hidden inside 2
PROMs (one contains the disk bootstrap software, the other, together with
a latch, forms a state machine to decode the pulses off the disk). So a
schematic doesn't tell you that much.
-tony
8932
days inactive
8934
days old
4 comments
5 participants
participants (5)
-
ard＠p850ug1.demon.co.uk -
mac＠Wireless.Com -
richard＠idcomm.com -
vaxman＠uswest.net -
xds_sigma7＠hotmail.com