Doesn't the Bliss kit on the Freeware CD-ROM include doc's? I thought it did, but it's been a while since I looked at it. A large amount of doc's, including a bunch of archived doc's are online now, but I've not seen Bliss. I just checked and the V5 CD does, here you go: http://www.openvms.compaq.com/freeware/FREEWARE50/BLISS/ As long as you don't mind non-paper copies, you're good to go. It's got the User Manual and Language Reference. What I don't see is the 3 Volume Bliss Primer I've got, unless that's the Language Reference. Zane -- | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Administrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | OpenVMS Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |