11 Dec
2017
11 Dec
'17
3:18 p.m.
Someone just dropped off a mac g3 at the scrapyard I work at and I picked it up.
It has a failing hard drive. Replaced the drive, downloaded and burned
a disk with mac os 8 on it, but it refuses to boot to it. How do I go
about installing the software on this machine?
Not sure if this is the place to ask, but figured it would be worth a
shot. Thanks.
11 Dec
11 Dec
3:35 p.m.
On 11 Dec 2017, at 23:18, devin davison via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Someone just dropped off a mac g3 at the scrapyard I work at and I picked it up.
It has a failing hard drive. Replaced the drive, downloaded and burned
a disk with mac os 8 on it, but it refuses to boot to it. How do I go
about installing the software on this machine?
Not sure if this is the place to ask, but figured it would be worth a
shot. Thanks.
Hi Devin,
Going from memory you need to press ?C? to boot from CD and you might also need to replace
the PRAM battery.
Cheers
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3:54 p.m.
On 12/11/2017 03:35 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk wrote:
Going from memory you need to press ?C? to boot from
CD and you might also need to replace the PRAM battery.
I'll second the bit about the PRAM battery. I've got one of these
beige G3 boxes and can affirm that a failing PRAM battery can create all
sorts of strange havoc, including not powering on at all.
Note that said battery is 3.6V, so a CR2032 won't do it.
--Chuck
5:04 p.m.
Battery does not appear to ahve leaked but is planned to be replaced.
I was unaware of having to press a key to boot to cd. Ill give it a
go.
Thanks for the quick response.
--Devin
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 12/11/2017 03:35 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk
wrote:
Going from memory you need to press ?C? to boot
from CD and you might also need to replace the PRAM battery.
I'll second the bit about the PRAM battery. I've got one of these
beige G3 boxes and can affirm that a failing PRAM battery can create all
sorts of strange havoc, including not powering on at all.
Note that said battery is 3.6V, so a CR2032 won't do it.
--Chuck 
7:16 p.m.
Check the date code on the 'new' battery, there are quite a few sellers
that will sell you a battery 10 years old. Fry's is a perfect example.
-pete
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:04 PM, devin davison via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Battery does not appear to ahve leaked but is planned
to be replaced.
I was unaware of having to press a key to boot to cd. Ill give it a
go.
Thanks for the quick response.
--Devin
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'll second the bit about the PRAM battery. I've got one of these
beige G3 boxes and can affirm that a failing PRAM battery can create all
sorts of strange havoc, including not powering on at all.
Note that said battery is 3.6V, so a CR2032 won't do it.
--Chuck
On 12/11/2017 03:35 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk
wrote:
> Going from memory you need to press ?C? to boot from CD and you might
also
need to replace the PRAM battery.
12 Dec
12 Dec
3:29 a.m.
I have a pair of beige G3, checklist:
- PULL the battery. if it is drained, it sometimes won't boot. Sometimes
even won't power on!
- Take care with the plastics, they're brittle
- The CD **ON THE POWERMAC G3** can be of any brand to boot (most macs
need an Apple branded CD!). So if you won't boot, probably the cd-romd
river is gone. Change it for any working IDE drive.
- Use MacOS 9.
Anything else?
Em 11/12/2017 23:04, devin davison via cctalk escreveu:
Battery does not appear to ahve leaked but is planned
to be replaced.
I was unaware of having to press a key to boot to cd. Ill give it a
go.
Thanks for the quick response.
--Devin
On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
On 12/11/2017 03:35 PM, Adrian Graham via cctalk
wrote:
.
Going from memory you need to press ?C? to boot
from CD and you might also need to replace the PRAM battery.
I'll second the bit about the PRAM battery. I've got one of these
beige G3 boxes and can affirm that a failing PRAM battery can create all
sorts of strange havoc, including not powering on at all.
Note that said battery is 3.6V, so a CR2032 won't do it.
--Chuck 
9:34 a.m.
On 12 December 2017 at 12:29, Alexandre Souza via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I'd only disagree with 1 bit of this.
- Use MacOS 9.
They run 10.2 fine and can be coaxed into 10.3 quite readily with XPostFacto.
They will take any standard ATA hard disk. Stick in one of up to 128GB
-- they run into problems with drives bigger than that -- and
dual-boot both MacOS 9.2.2 and OS X.
(OS X must go inside the first 8GB of the drive. I think MacOS 9 doesn't care.)
OS X is _far_ more internet-capable and it can read and write almost
any old CD or DVD-ROM and happily read and write USB keys (if you
stick a cheap commodity USB2 or USB2+Firewire PCI card in there).
They use PC100 SD-RAM too, so 192MB - 384MB RAM is easy -- almost any
old 64MB or 128MB DIMMs will work.
With certain very special DIMMs you can have 3 x 256MB for 768MB RAM,
but they are hard to find.
Although they make a very fast Classic MacOS box and a fairly slow OS
X one, I found it very worthwhile to have OS X on there, even if just
for downloading all the various tools and things you need to get
Classic MacOS running nicely.
http://lowendmac.com/1997/beige-power-mac-g3-1997/
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10:23 a.m.
On 12/12/2017 09:34 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
Although they make a very fast Classic MacOS box and a
fairly slow OS
X one, I found it very worthwhile to have OS X on there, even if just
for downloading all the various tools and things you need to get
Classic MacOS running nicely.
http://lowendmac.com/1997/beige-power-mac-g3-1997/
http://lowendmac.com/1998/beige-power-mac-g3-1998/
I've run 10.3 on mine; yes, it's very slow--and you're best advised to
allocate plenty of disk space if you opt for the complete set of CDs,
including the development tools. While you could fit 9.x comfortably on
a 250 MB drive, that's not the case for OS X.
Also (please correct me if I'm wrong), you lose the integrated floppy
access.
--Chuck
10:26 a.m.
Also (please correct me if I'm wrong), you lose
the integrated floppy
access.
You are correct. I don't believe it even works in 10.2, which *is* supported.
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10:36 a.m.
I went through a number of "this totally works on a beige G3" MacOS 8.x and
9.x ISOs before finding one that would boot my beige G3 desktop. I think it
ended up being MacOS 9.2.1.
Thanks,
Jonathan
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk <
cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Also (please
correct me if I'm wrong), you lose the integrated floppy
access.
You are correct. I don't believe it even works in 10.2, which *is*
supported.
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10:41 a.m.
I went through a number of "this totally works on
a beige G3" MacOS 8.x and
9.x ISOs before finding one that would boot my beige G3 desktop. I think it
ended up being MacOS 9.2.1.
There is a "boot-any" CD from the last eMac that can boot OS 9 that will boot
any OS 9.2.2-compatible Mac, of which the beige G3 should qualify. The
part# is 691-4323-A.
9.2.2 has some slight performance improvements on native G3 and New World
systems, but for my other beige Macs I prefer 9.1.
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11:31 a.m.
Thanks for all the advice. Oops,A little late reading whole brittle
plastic warning. nothing important is missing, but there are little
chips of plastic everywhere now. The plastic does not age well. The
hard drive had failed, i replaced it. Im going to find a newer ide cd
drive and try swapping the old one out, i suspect it is not reading my
cd's. I tried pressing the C key at power on, no luck. The drive spins
up and there is a little activity at first but it does not appear to
even be trying to read the cd. The floppy drive is all gummed up, but
that may be something i can clean out and repair.
Plan is to get mac os 8 or 9 installed. I already have an ibook g4
running 10.4, i do not have much interest in osx. the 68k and ppc
machines are what i grew up with, thats my focus. I have a pile of mac
se's, hopefully if i can get the g3 running it will make getting media
made for the se's easier.
--Devin
On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 1:41 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
I went through
a number of "this totally works on a beige G3" MacOS 8.x and
9.x ISOs before finding one that would boot my beige G3 desktop. I think it
ended up being MacOS 9.2.1.
There is a "boot-any" CD from the last eMac that can boot OS 9 that will boot
any OS 9.2.2-compatible Mac, of which the beige G3 should qualify. The
part# is 691-4323-A.
9.2.2 has some slight performance improvements on native G3 and New World
systems, but for my other beige Macs I prefer 9.1.
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