16 Feb
2003
16 Feb
'03
6:36 p.m.
Hey,
Here's one for the Military members, and taxpayers, of the list ...
from the "serial killer", "dick",
"genital lice" that we are here in
Virginia ...
The Navy recently needed some Ariel Hydra Plus DSP boards and
contacted me about them. They mentioned also searching eBay.
Well, I ended up seeing some at ...
Ariel Hydra VME single board DSP computer
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=162&item=230…
I talked to the seller and he thought he had a thousand dollar reserve on them.
I told him, no, no reserve, just $500 opening bid.
He had made a mistake listing it and ended the auction because of his mistake.
I couldn't buy them. My buying budget couldn't cover $1000 boards that I
wasn't
sure were even going to be the right part ( minor difference in last digit
of part
number) and I'm not an extraordinarily strong player.
But I gave the client the seller's phone number, and seems they may have
had possibilities.
Response from client ...
Bennett:
Will do. The boards on Ebay do not have the VSB
option that we ideally
require, however these boards still may > be workable.
We are researching
to find out what the slightly different part number denotes. We are still
interested in any additional leads you may be able to
find. Thanks for
your work on this!
I still want to follow up and see if this worked out.
Wish I could have made a little to cover my bills, but didn't seem doable
on this one.
But I might have saved you all a lot of money, and might have solved a
national need.
Can't post client contact info though. Having anyone pestering my clients
would be a no no.
But, might have built up the karma level. Right now I might see the light
at the end
of the tunnel on a project for the Saudi government. ( They are our allies ).
Also just donated a chassis to Cornell University ...
http://wwwapps.ups.com/etracking/tracking.cgi?TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&Inq…
With chassis, you can't get enough for them to make them worth packaging
and shipping.
So my terms were the mailing center had to do it. Plus I didn't have
suitable materials.
Used to wish we could bring some of you with us, but you made it seem
better to go it alone.
Incidently, with the situation overseas, the US military and many defense
contractors
are currently re-evaluating their spares levels.
Best Regards
17 Feb
17 Feb
3:30 a.m.
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Mail List wrote:
The Navy recently needed some Ariel Hydra Plus DSP
boards and contacted
me about them. They mentioned also searching eBay.
Well, I ended up seeing some at ...
Ariel Hydra VME single board DSP computer
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=162&item=230…
I talked to the seller and he thought he had a thousand dollar reserve
on them. I told him, no, no reserve, just $500 opening bid.
He had made a mistake listing it and ended the auction because of his
mistake.
I couldn't buy them. My buying budget couldn't cover $1000 boards that I
wasn't sure were even going to be the right part ( minor difference in
last digit of part number) and I'm not an extraordinarily strong player.
But I gave the client the seller's phone number, and seems they may have
had possibilities.
Response from client ...
How inspiring.
Yesterday, I unloaded the clean dishes out of the dishwasher and put them
away, then re-filled it with dirty dishes, even though I was really tired,
so my girlfriend wouldn't have to.
Bennett:
Will do. The boards on Ebay do not have the VSB
option that we ideally
require, however these boards still may > be workable.
We are researching
to find out what the slightly different part number denotes. We are still
interested in any additional leads you may be
able to find. Thanks for
your work on this!
I still want to follow up and see if this worked out.
Wish I could have made a little to cover my bills, but didn't seem doable
on this one. But I might have saved you all a lot of money, and
might have solved a
national need.
I put my plastics, papers and metals into the recycle bin instead of the
trash. I saved the environment.
But, might have built up the karma level.
Apparently not enough to avert this sort of reply.
Right now I might see the light at the end of the
tunnel on a project
for the Saudi government. ( They are our allies ).
Most of the hikackers on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian nationals. The Saudis
are the Uncle Tom's of the Arab world.
Also just donated a chassis to Cornell University ...
http://wwwapps.ups.com/etracking/tracking.cgi?TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&Inq…
With chassis, you can't get enough for them to make them worth packaging
and shipping. So my terms were the mailing center had to do it. Plus I
didn't have suitable materials.
I gave a guy a dollar yesterday because he didn't have change and I didn't
have enough in my wallet to break his ten. So I just gave him the buck.
--
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3:47 a.m.
Hey Sellam,
Most of the hikackers on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian
nationals. The Saudis
are the Uncle Tom's of the Arab world.
Is that where you're from?
Best Regards
At 09:23 AM 2/17/03 -0800, you wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Mail List wrote:
The Navy recently needed some Ariel Hydra Plus
DSP boards and contacted
me about them. They mentioned also searching eBay.
Well, I ended up seeing some at ...
Ariel Hydra VME single board DSP computer
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=162&item=230…
I talked to the seller and he thought he had a thousand dollar reserve
on them. I told him, no, no reserve, just $500 opening bid.
He had made a mistake listing it and ended the auction because of his
mistake.
I couldn't buy them. My buying budget couldn't cover $1000 boards that I
wasn't sure were even going to be the right part ( minor difference in
last digit of part number) and I'm not an extraordinarily strong player.
But I gave the client the seller's phone number, and seems they may have
had possibilities.
Response from client ...
How inspiring.
Yesterday, I unloaded the clean dishes out of the dishwasher and put them
away, then re-filled it with dirty dishes, even though I was really tired,
so my girlfriend wouldn't have to.
Bennett:
Will do. The boards on Ebay do not have the VSB
option that we ideally
require, however these boards still may > be workable.
We are researching
to find out what the slightly different part number denotes. We are still
interested in any additional leads you may be
able to find. Thanks for
your work on this!
I still want to follow up and see if this worked out.
Wish I could have made a little to cover my bills, but didn't seem doable
on this one. But I might have saved you all a lot of money,
and might have solved a
national need.
I put my plastics, papers and metals into the recycle bin instead of the
trash. I saved the environment.
But, might have built up the karma level.
Apparently not enough to avert this sort of reply.
Right now I might see the light at the end of the
tunnel on a project
for the Saudi government. ( They are our allies ).
Most of the hikackers on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian nationals. The Saudis
are the Uncle Tom's of the Arab world.
Also just donated a chassis to Cornell University
...
http://wwwapps.ups.com/etracking/tracking.cgi?TypeOfInquiryNumber=T&Inq…
With chassis, you can't get enough for them to make them worth packaging
and shipping. So my terms were the mailing center had to do it. Plus I
didn't have suitable materials.
I gave a guy a dollar yesterday because he didn't have change and I didn't
have enough in my wallet to break his ten. So I just gave him the buck.
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
* Old computing resources for business and academia at
www.VintageTech.com * 
4:59 a.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Hey Sellam,
> Most of the hikackers on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian nationals. The Saudis
> are the Uncle Tom's of the Arab world.
Is that where you're from?
I whish, so we have a reason to push him out of the country
an confiscate his collection for good :)
Gruss
H.
--
VCF Europa 4.0 am 03./04. Mai 2003 in Muenchen
http://www.vcfe.org/
6:01 a.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Hans Franke wrote:
I whish, so we have a reason to push him out of the
country an
confiscate his collection for good :)
You're like the George Bush of computer collecting, except in this case
you're after all the old computers of the Arabs rather than the oil ;)
--
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International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
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10:15 a.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
I whish, so we
have a reason to push him out of the country an
confiscate his collection for good :)
You're like the George Bush of computer collecting, except in this case
you're after all the old computers of the Arabs rather than the oil ;) 
1:10 p.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Bleeeeccch !! That is like a deliberate troll or by
someone too brainless to be allowed access to a
computer and intelligent commentary. Reminds me
of the bully in the schoolyard, " you're a jew and killed
Christ so I'm gonna take all your marbles" Not all the
world believes the US has the right to control it all.
And this list is world-wide so you may not get the easy
acquiescence of your US tv-news watching buddies.
Don't think you can throw out crap like this unopposed.
I might remind you also that the oppressive Saudi-
Arabian regime is the US's most closely alligned arab
client state in the mid-east next to Kuwait. Bin Lauden's
Saudi-Arabian fortunes came from your gas expenses,
he was financed in the Taliban's takeover of Afghanistan
by the US via Pakistan, an oppressive nuclear bomb
possessing oligarchy, and Hassan was supplied with
chemical agents and stuff like Anthrax by the US back
when he was their buddy and Iran the enemy. It's well
documented. Just stop taking your views from the
managed corporate press and approach it like
you would investigating an old computer. Unless you
take your computer info from the domestic media.
Microsoft, our benefactor.
This is just racist crap to justify dreams of world
domination by retrograde southerners, still pissed off
they lost the civil war and had to give up slavery, or
fundamentalists with their own scary visions of an
inquisition-based new world order.
At one time the arab world was the most advanced, just,
and civilized center of the world and gave us most of the
basis for later advances in science, and artists such as
Omar Khayam and others like the Sufis while Europe
was still wallowing in the horrendous middle ages. Their
contributions equalled or surpassed ancient Greece.
Try reading history.
There were millions of demonstrators around the world,
as well as several million in the US this past weekend,
that disagree with the Bush administration's or the CNN
spindoctor's take on this as well as millions of others
who either don't go to demos, or up here in Canada didn't
brave the subzero temperatures which still resulted in
100,000 in Montreal at -29C and 80,000 in Toronto at -20.
and there were religious,union, youth groups of all ages
and in all areas. And the same was true in these US.
Let's keep this ideological crap off the list and then I
don't have to further the OTism with non-ameriKKKan
responses and diatribes.
My apologies to the list but unopposed statements
becomes truth. My daddy always said don't discuss
religion or politics in polite company.
Lawrence
On 17 Feb 2003, , Eric Dittman wrote:
Well, it would be a good idea to get the oil out of the
hands of the Arabs since they are using the profits to
finance terrorism. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check
out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
lgwalker@ mts.net
I whish, so we have a reason to push him out of the
country an confiscate his collection for good :)
You're like the George Bush of computer collecting, except
in this case you're after all the old computers of the
Arabs rather than the oil ;)
1:22 p.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Bleeeeccch !! That is like a deliberate troll or by
someone too brainless to be allowed access to a
computer and intelligent commentary. Reminds me
of the bully in the schoolyard, " you're a jew and killed
Christ so I'm gonna take all your marbles" Not all the
world believes the US has the right to control it all.
And this list is world-wide so you may not get the easy
acquiescence of your US tv-news watching buddies.
Don't think you can throw out crap like this unopposed.
No, it was sarcasm, pointing to Sellam's Bush-bashing.
Sellam seems to take every chance he gets to bash Bush
and the administration. I was making a point.
On 17 Feb 2003, , Eric Dittman wrote:
Well, it would be a good idea to get the oil out of the
hands of the Arabs since they are using the profits to
finance terrorism. -- Eric Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check
out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
lgwalker@ mts.net
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
I whish, so we have a reason to push him out of the
country an confiscate his collection for good :)
You're like the George Bush of computer collecting, except
in this case you're after all the old computers of the
Arabs rather than the oil ;) 
1:35 p.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Quothe Eric Dittman, from writings of Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 09:19:33PM -0600:
No, it was sarcasm, pointing to Sellam's
Bush-bashing.
Gee... isn't that comment a little extreme? I thought he was just
making use of his horticultural abilities from his keyboard, verbally
pruning a Shrub...
--
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All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
1:48 p.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
No, it was
sarcasm, pointing to Sellam's Bush-bashing.
Gee... isn't that comment a little extreme? I thought he was just
making use of his horticultural abilities from his keyboard, verbally
pruning a Shrub...
2:21 p.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Hi Eric,
And he's a president that's doing a good job. I think he portrays
a "simple country boy" persona, but in actuality, I think there's
a whole lot more to him than he publicaly lets on. Like a poker
player, he holds his cards closely. And his father was an excellent
president too. He "inherited" a national economic situation from the
Reagan years ( and Ronald Reagan did good things too ) that
couldn't be turned around quickly ( a national economy has incredible
mass and inertia ), so he bore the blame for it and lost to Clinton.
There's a whole lot more going on in the circles of national gov't.
and national defense than they can let be openly disclosed to the
world, for national defense and national security reasons.
At 09:45 PM 2/17/03 -0600, you wrote:
He was doing yet more of his Bush-bashing. Not Shrub. The
President of the United States is named Bush.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
No, it was sarcasm, pointing to Sellam's
Bush-bashing.
Gee... isn't that comment a little extreme? I thought he was just
making use of his horticultural abilities from his keyboard, verbally
pruning a Shrub...
3:12 p.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Quothe Mail List, from writings of Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 11:18:40PM -0500:
And he's a president that's doing a good job.
I think he portrays
Yes, Shrub^H^H^H^H^HBush is doing a good job of turning the U.S. into
more of a police state; surely Stalin and Hitler would approve of the
Patriot Acts I and II... of course, they might not approve of his
reasons for some of his actions, which appear to be a result of his
fundamentalist religious beliefs. He's also doing a good job of
allowing more and more illegal aliens to cross the Mexican border, to
pacify his friend Fox in Mexico, as if we don't have enough trouble
with overpopulation and illegal immigration already. It appears that
the voters were misled during the 2000 presidential campaign, and many
of us who voted for the current president didn't get what we were
expecting.
Let's not forget that his administration also appears to have helped
Micro$oft in the antitrust hearings... do you call that good as well?
a "simple country boy" persona, but in
actuality, I think there's
a whole lot more to him than he publicaly lets on. Like a poker
Do you mean like trying to hide that he resembles someone who is a
danger to himself and others? Let's face it, anyone who believes that
his actions are divinely inspired, and that he's basically a leader of
a nation on a mission from his God, is surely more than a few acorns
short of an oak tree, if you know what I mean. Any rational person
(sorry, extreme religious fundamentalists don't fall into the category
of "rational person") knows that there appears to be something
seriously wrong, that religious extremists are trying to gain control
of this nation with the help of the current presidential
administration... if it's not the blasted communists/socialists
screwing things up over here, it's the ultra right-wing
fundamentalists screwing things up, while the majority of the
population appears to be split between agreeing with the extremists or
being apathetic.
player, he holds his cards closely. And his father was
an excellent
president too.
So, you're one of those people who approves of the New World Order?
Also, let's not forget that "Bush I" didn't finish the war in Iraq
(ok, and Clinton appears to have allowed things to get worse there and
elsewhere while he was busy with the ladies, I won't dispute that)
Also, don't forget those infamous words: "read my lips, no new taxes,"
before taxes were increased.
He "inherited" a national economic situation
from the
Reagan years ( and Ronald Reagan did good things too ) that
He inherited a failing economy and made it worse. Anyway, why stop at
Reagan with the blame? Carter, and various predecessors, didn't help
the economy much either, as they alternated between excessive social
programs and excessive defense spending as "cures" for the economy.
couldn't be turned around quickly ( a national
economy has incredible
mass and inertia ), so he bore the blame for it and lost to Clinton.
Bush came across as too depressed and whiney during too many of his
speeches, which had a negative psychological effect on the already
fragile economy.
Just my two cents worth.
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All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
4:57 p.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
And he's a
president that's doing a good job. I think he portrays
Yes, Shrub^H^H^H^H^HBush is doing a good job of turning the U.S. into
more of a police state; surely Stalin and Hitler would approve of the
Patriot Acts I and II... of course, they might not approve of his
reasons for some of his actions, which appear to be a result of his
fundamentalist religious beliefs. He's also doing a good job of
allowing more and more illegal aliens to cross the Mexican border, to
pacify his friend Fox in Mexico, as if we don't have enough trouble
with overpopulation and illegal immigration already. It appears that
the voters were misled during the 2000 presidential campaign, and many
of us who voted for the current president didn't get what we were
expecting. Let's not forget that his administration also
appears to have helped
Micro$oft in the antitrust hearings... do you call that good as well?
I don't think anyone can call that good, except for M$.
a "simple
country boy" persona, but in actuality, I think there's
a whole lot more to him than he publicaly lets on. Like a poker
Do you mean like trying to hide that he resembles someone who is a
danger to himself and others? Let's face it, anyone who believes that
his actions are divinely inspired, and that he's basically a leader of
a nation on a mission from his God, is surely more than a few acorns
short of an oak tree, if you know what I mean. Any rational person
(sorry, extreme religious fundamentalists don't fall into the category
of "rational person") knows that there appears to be something
seriously wrong, that religious extremists are trying to gain control
of this nation with the help of the current presidential
administration... if it's not the blasted communists/socialists
screwing things up over here, it's the ultra right-wing
fundamentalists screwing things up, while the majority of the
population appears to be split between agreeing with the extremists or
being apathetic. player, he
holds his cards closely. And his father was an excellent
president too.
So, you're one of those people who approves of the New World Order?
Also, let's not forget that "Bush I" didn't finish the war in Iraq
(ok, and Clinton appears to have allowed things to get worse there and
elsewhere while he was busy with the ladies, I won't dispute that)
Also, don't forget those infamous words: "read my lips, no new taxes,"
before taxes were increased.
7:38 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Eric Dittman wrote:
They are more to do with locking down the country so
no more terrorist
attacks can occur. The problem is when the country gets that locked down
the freedoms we cherish disappear. When we lose all our freedoms, what
do we have worth keeping?
If we lock down our country and hold everyone suspect, did not The
Terrorists win?
As for ignoring illegal immigration from Mexico, I
find that extremely
hypocritical. We want to tighten the borders so we are protected from
terrorism, but we'll leave that huge sieve between Mexico and the US
completely open?
Who, then, will pick your lettuce? I mean no disrespect whatsoever to
Mexican folks who brave through torrid deserts to make their way to
California so they can spend 8+ hours a day stooped over in the hot
sun picking vegetables so that you can have a salad on your table. I am
quite serious. What white person, in this day and age, would ever take a
job picking lettuce for minimum wage?
These issues are not always as simple as people want to make them.
--
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8:20 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
They are more
to do with locking down the country so no more terrorist
attacks can occur. The problem is when the country gets that locked down
the freedoms we cherish disappear. When we lose all our freedoms, what
do we have worth keeping?
If we lock down our country and hold everyone suspect,
did not The
Terrorists win? > As for ignoring illegal immigration from Mexico,
I find that extremely
> hypocritical. We want to tighten the borders so we are protected from
> terrorism, but we'll leave that huge sieve between Mexico and the US
> completely open?
Who, then, will pick your lettuce? I mean no
disrespect whatsoever to
Mexican folks who brave through torrid deserts to make their way to
California so they can spend 8+ hours a day stooped over in the hot
sun picking vegetables so that you can have a salad on your table. I am
quite serious. What white person, in this day and age, would ever take a
job picking lettuce for minimum wage?
Hmm, what about Polish workers? No, serious, over here, there are
no Mexicans, nor orther unhealthy ceap workers, and the lettuce
gets still picked. Well, large farms use robots. And hasn't it
be you, Sallam, who noticed that prices are quite low? So the
old argument that the ceap workers are to give you low produce
prices is a myth. All it does is making somebody inbetween rich.
It isn't that simple either way.
Gruss
H.
--
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http://www.vcfe.org/
18 Feb
18 Feb
12:14 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
They are more
to do with locking down the country so no more terrorist
attacks can occur. The problem is when the country gets that locked down
the freedoms we cherish disappear. When we lose all our freedoms, what
do we have worth keeping?
If we lock down our country and hold everyone suspect, did not The
Terrorists win? As for
ignoring illegal immigration from Mexico, I find that extremely
hypocritical. We want to tighten the borders so we are protected from
terrorism, but we'll leave that huge sieve between Mexico and the US
completely open?
Who, then, will pick your lettuce? I mean no disrespect whatsoever to
Mexican folks who brave through torrid deserts to make their way to
California so they can spend 8+ hours a day stooped over in the hot
sun picking vegetables so that you can have a salad on your table. I am
quite serious. What white person, in this day and age, would ever take a
job picking lettuce for minimum wage? These issues are not always as simple as people want
to make them.
Yes, they are very complex.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
9:32 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Eric Dittman wrote:
> They are more to do with locking down the country
so no more terrorist
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
If we lock down our country and hold everyone suspect,
did not The
Terrorists win?
Are you saying that Bush works for Bin Laden?
9:43 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Eric Dittman wrote:
I didn't write that. I wrote the comment to which Sellam was
responding.
--
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Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
> They are more to do with locking down the
country so no more terrorist
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
If we lock down our country and hold everyone
suspect, did not The
Terrorists win?
Are you saying that Bush works for Bin Laden?
4:23 a.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
HI FRED,
I REALLY MEANT IT. I'M GLAD THE AIRLINES ARE FLYING
AGAIN. I'M GLAD IT FEELS SAFE TO OPEN THE MAIL AGAIN.
I'M GLAD TO SEE SOMETHING IS BEING DONE TO TRY AND
PREVENT ANOTHER 9/11 INCIDENT. I ACTUALLY DO RESPECT
THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I GUESS
YOU WERE AN AL GORE VOTER?
At 09:51 AM 2/18/03 -0800, you wrote:
And he's a
president that's doing a good job. I think he portrays
There is WAY TOO MUCH sarcasm on the list lately.
6:04 a.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Mail List wrote:
HI FRED,
I REALLY MEANT IT.
Sorry.
There has been so much sarcasm lately that it all seemed to be.
YOU WERE AN AL GORE VOTER?
There is no cause for flaming.
Is your shift key stuck? Or is it a Eudora problem?
11:56 a.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Hello Fred,
Is your shift key stuck? Or is it a Eudora problem?
No, I turned the caps on on purpose.
Sorry.
There has been so much sarcasm lately that it all seemed to be.
I may have misinterpreted your response. If your response was not
actually intentionally antagonistic, then I apologize. In the past, you and
I have mixed about as well as fire and matches. If you have a different
opinion on the performance of our current administration, so be it.
There is no cause for flaming.
Let it be so.
Best Regards
At 12:01 PM 2/18/03 -0800, you wrote:
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Mail List wrote:
HI FRED,
I REALLY MEANT IT.
Sorry.
There has been so much sarcasm lately that it all seemed to be.
YOU WERE AN AL GORE VOTER?
There is no cause for flaming.
Is your shift key stuck? Or is it a Eudora problem? 
6:34 p.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Geez. No need to shout.
Peace... Sridhar
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Mail List wrote:
HI FRED,
I REALLY MEANT IT. I'M GLAD THE AIRLINES ARE FLYING
AGAIN. I'M GLAD IT FEELS SAFE TO OPEN THE MAIL AGAIN.
I'M GLAD TO SEE SOMETHING IS BEING DONE TO TRY AND
PREVENT ANOTHER 9/11 INCIDENT. I ACTUALLY DO RESPECT
THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I GUESS
YOU WERE AN AL GORE VOTER?
At 09:51 AM 2/18/03 -0800, you wrote:
> > And he's a president that's doing a good job. I think he portrays
>
>There is WAY TOO MUCH sarcasm on the list lately.
17 Feb
17 Feb
4:24 p.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
On 17 Feb 2003, , Mail List wrote:
Hi Eric,
And he's a president that's doing a good job. I think he
portrays a "simple country boy" persona, but in actuality, I
think there's a whole lot more to him than he publicaly lets
on. Like a poker player, he holds his cards closely. And his
father was an excellent president too. He "inherited" a
national economic situation from the Reagan years ( and
Ronald Reagan did good things too ) that couldn't be turned
around quickly ( a national economy has incredible mass and
inertia ), so he bore the blame for it and lost to Clinton.
There's a whole lot more going on in the circles of national
gov't. and national defense than they can let be openly
disclosed to the world, for national defense and national
security reasons.
Or international hilarity at his numbness. But I don't
hold the cleverness of his, his father's, or Cheyny's
corporate oil company masters with disdain. I just
figure their aims aren't in the worlds interests.
Oh Bennet, you flawed casualty of Republican wiles.
I hope you don't end up in jail regretting how much you
might have made if YOU had bought out the leftover
Maynard stock.
Lawrence
At 09:45 PM 2/17/03 -0600, you wrote:
> > > No, it was sarcasm, pointing to Sellam's Bush-bashing.
> >
> > Gee... isn't that comment a little extreme? I thought
> > he was just making use of his horticultural abilities
> > from his keyboard, verbally pruning a Shrub...
>
>He was doing yet more of his Bush-bashing. Not Shrub. The
>President of the United States is named Bush. -- Eric
>Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts
>Club at http://www.dittman.net/
lgwalker@ mts.net
4:45 p.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Or international hilarity at his numbness. But I
don't
hold the cleverness of his, his father's, or Cheyny's
corporate oil company masters with disdain. I just
figure their aims aren't in the worlds interests.
Circumstantial. Where is the proof?
Oh Bennet, you flawed casualty of Republican wiles.
I hope you don't end up in jail regretting how much you
might have made if YOU had bought out the leftover
Maynard stock.
And you don't think you are a flawed casualty of
Democratic wiles?
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
6:40 p.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
On 18 Feb 2003, , Eric Dittman wrote:
Of the hilarious disdain ? An ultra-intelligent spindoctor
aide of Chretien the Canadian Prime-Minister was
dismissed because she was overheard expressing to a
friendly jounalist friend in an aside. "What a total idiot"
You can also access the general opinion by most
journalists of Dubyas thickness in many articles not
beholden to the US administrations. His homespun
announcements usually illicits giggles by those who
know that is his real personna not a pose.
His main financial support even in the Texas governors
office and in his run for the presidency won only by
the Florida votes supervised by his brother ? and
Enron, that marvellous epitomy of corporate honesty.
But, of course Dubya, his papa, the earlier president
and former head of the CIA, and Cheney, part of both
administrations are all involved heavily in oil.
Circumstantial ? But as Dylan said you don't have to be a
weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
And where is the proof of all the Bush accusations
against Iraq. Nothing has been proven. Iraq and Hussain
in any case are no threat to world security, Bush and his
administration are.
Likely. I've been against dictatorship all my life. Grew
up during the fight against fascism and Hitler.
Never outgrew the fight against it. Which led to my
fight against segregation and later against the war
in Viet-Nam in the hard days when opposition could
result in a beating by the "hard-hats".
There's a bunch of us across the country, still alive,
unaffilliated, and you ain't seen nuthin yet.
Let it go Eric.You're not a very intelligent opponent
and it is stringing out a thread that would be better
debated in another venue than one concerned with
classic computers, even tho it isn't in classic.tech.
Lawrence
Or
international hilarity at his numbness. But I don't
hold the cleverness of his, his father's, or Cheyny's
corporate oil company masters with disdain. I just figure
their aims aren't in the worlds interests.
Circumstantial. Where is the proof?
Oh Bennet,
you flawed casualty of Republican wiles.
I hope you don't end up in jail regretting how much you
might have made if YOU had bought out the leftover Maynard
stock.
And you don't think you are a flawed casualty of
Democratic wiles? --
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at
http://www.dittman.net/
lgwalker@ mts.net
18 Feb
18 Feb
12:09 a.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Or international hilarity at his numbness. But I
don't
hold the cleverness of his, his father's, or Cheyny's
corporate oil company masters with disdain. I just figure
their aims aren't in the worlds interests.
Circumstantial. Where is the proof?
An ultra-intelligent spindoctor
aide of Chretien the Canadian Prime-Minister was
dismissed because she was overheard expressing to a
friendly jounalist friend in an aside. "What a total idiot"
You can also access the general opinion by most
journalists of Dubyas thickness in many articles not
beholden to the US administrations. His homespun
announcements usually illicits giggles by those who
know that is his real personna not a pose.
And we all know journalists are impartial, right?
His main financial support even in the Texas
governors
office and in his run for the presidency won only by
the Florida votes supervised by his brother ?
No, won by the laws covering election of the President
of the US. The Electoral College is outdated and should
be scrapped, but until it is it determines the winner
of the election.
and
Enron, that marvellous epitomy of corporate honesty.
But, of course Dubya, his papa, the earlier president
and former head of the CIA, and Cheney, part of both
administrations are all involved heavily in oil.
Circumstantial ? But as Dylan said you don't have to be a
weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
That's right. But that doesn't have to be the main
motivation.
And where is the proof of all the Bush accusations
against Iraq. Nothing has been proven. Iraq and Hussain
in any case are no threat to world security, Bush and his
administration are.
Where is all the proof otherwise? Hussein did kick
out the inspectors before, so there has been a lapse.
Once Bush started threatening, the inspectors were
let back in.
Oh Bennet, you flawed casualty of Republican wiles.
I hope you don't end up in jail regretting how much you
might have made if YOU had bought out the leftover Maynard
stock.
And you don't think you are a flawed casualty of
Democratic wiles? 
12:58 a.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
While I respect everybody's opinion here, and this thread _was_
interesting a little while ago, am I the only one thinking that it has
gone _way_ too far, and it's now high time to kill the political
discussion here?
--
---Dave Woyciesjes
---ICQ# 905818
2:33 a.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
While I respect everybody's opinion here, and
this thread _was_
interesting a little while ago, am I the only one thinking that it has
gone _way_ too far, and it's now high time to kill the political
discussion here?
Yes, I really wish I'd put the smileys in so people would have
known I was being sarcastic.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
3 a.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Eric Dittman wrote:
And we all know journalists are impartial, right?
Well, certainly American journalists are not impartial. You'd think the
way they fell in line behind our government's push for war that they were
a branch of the President's public relations department.
I agree we should let this go. This all started
because I wanted to
point out that Sellam's continual comments lead to off-topic flames, and
from there people have made quite a few wrong assumptions about me and
my beliefs, just because I have the audacity to question what they
assume is true.
As I mentioned to you privately, I am not responsible for flame wars being
started over comments I make. You have the choice NOT to reply. If I am
so out of control then I will eventually fall of my own doing and will
either adjust my behavior appropriately or become extinct. Have faith in
that concept, because most of the time it works (especially on those that
truly deserve it).
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
* Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *
3:30 a.m.
New subject: Damn It was Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
I joined this list to see discussion of Classic Computers, not a bunch
of childish oneupsmanship political comments. Sheesh, why doesn't
everyone contributing to this crap just shut up!!!
Eric Dittman wrote:
Or international hilarity at his numbness. But I
don't
hold the cleverness of his, his father's, or Cheyny's
corporate oil company masters with disdain. I just
figure their aims aren't in the worlds interests.
Circumstantial. Where is the proof?
Oh Bennet, you flawed casualty of Republican
wiles.
I hope you don't end up in jail regretting how much you
might have made if YOU had bought out the leftover
Maynard stock.
And you don't think you are a flawed casualty of
Democratic wiles?
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
4:55 a.m.
New subject: Snow for Hacking (was: Damn It was Re: Going OT...)
Quothe Marvin Johnston, from writings of Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 09:28:20AM -0800:
I joined this list to see discussion of Classic
Computers, not a bunch
of childish oneupsmanship political comments. Sheesh, why doesn't
everyone contributing to this crap just shut up!!!
Hmmm... try subscribing to the right list... cctech, or whatever it
is. :-) This is cctalk. You're not one of the federal spooks trying
to silence dissent, are you?
Anyway, I agree, we really do need to get back to discussing classic
computers. Has all this snow on parts of the US east coast given
anyone more spare time to come up with any interesting hacks or more
time spent on restoration?
--
Copyright (C) 2002 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
5:06 a.m.
New subject: Snow for Hacking (was: Damn It was Re: Going OT...)
R. D. Davis wrote:
Anyway, I agree, we really do need to get back to
discussing classic
computers. Has all this snow on parts of the US east coast given
anyone more spare time to come up with any interesting hacks or more
time spent on restoration?
Or even a place to hide under the BIG iron while the storm breaks.
Ben.
1:31 a.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Lawrence,
Or international hilarity at his numbness. But I
don't
hold the cleverness of his, his father's, or Cheyny's
corporate oil company masters with disdain. I just
figure their aims aren't in the worlds interests.
The US government's primary interests are probably in
the continuity of itself, just at Canada's government's
interests are probably in the continuity of itself, just as
it is also so every where else in the world. Secondary
interests would be in continuity of governments of
nations we are allied with, nations we rely on for imported
resources, etc. Just as Lawrence Walker's primary
interests ( and not I say primary, not sole ) are probably
in the interest of the continuity and survival of Lawrence
Walker and his family. It's the reality of the way things are.
Too bad you don't live in a country sandwiched somewhere
in between Iraq and Iran. Since you don't seem to like your
current neighboring country to the south too very much, maybe
you'd be happier with other neighbors instead?
Oh Bennet, you flawed casualty of Republican wiles.
Lawrence, we just want decent paying jobs, a decent place to
live, medical care, etc. It's pretty easy for you bringing in your
retirement plus what you make on your eBay sales, in a country
that, yes, with perhaps a higher tax rate, ensures all it's
citizens get what medical care they need. Down here, at present
time, I have to work for it, and when you work for yourself, starting
out from scratch, you just about have to fight for it. Lawrence,
poverty kills.
From: "Lawrence Walker" <lgwalker(a)mts.net>
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:46:55 -0600
Quality of life is the indicator that really matters
to the most of us,
and we are rated #3 as opposed to the US's #13.
The US$ rate is quite nice when I sell on EPay.
Every Canadian retiree is guarenteed an inflation-indexed pension of
about $980 a month. With my additional pension I do just fine.
Yes we do have our "wonderful socialized health care", like virtually
all modern industrialized states, and unlike in the US where the
"health business" managed to do a head job on the people about the
dangers of "socialized" medical services.
Lawrence, now you go too far.
I hope you don't end up in jail regretting how
much you
might have made if YOU had bought out the leftover
Maynard stock.
Wish I could have bought all they had, of just a few things.
But at the time, I really hardly had two nickels to rub together.
I hope you too don't end up in jail. Lawrence you are so "thrifty"
it seems you'd do just about anything to keep from having to
pay a cent you thought you could get out of.
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: RE: Paperwork to move classiccmps from .ca to .us?
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 2002 09:12:04 -0500
I ship and receive goods all the time from here in Canada. Usually there is
no problem, except occasionally getting dinged on this end for GST (goods and
services tax). Since NAFTA (which I HATE generally), there is no duty on
electronics
to my knowledge. It is unecessary to disable the equipment nor does it
matter where
it was manufactured.
Would you disable a piece of equipment to get out of paying your GST?
Would you fraudulently claim on a customs document an item was a
gift instead of a purchase, or try to get a seller to put a fraudulent purchase
price down, to try to lower your import duties? There are people that do those
type of things. I sent some items up to Canada since NAFTA was enacted,
and the buyers did have to pay their PST/GST. Don't know why they would
and you wouldn't? You might want to check before you have trouble over that.
Lawrence, I fill out my paperwork correctly. I have a business license. I pay
what taxes I owe. I don't engage in any creative accounting practices. I refuse
to sell items to buyers I can't confirm the identity of. I won't provide
parts for
any application I have any doubt as to whether or not it is permitted by our
government. I don't drink and drive. I don't do drugs.
Lawrence, I've truly read some notable comments from you over the course
of time.
It'll probably be you in jail long before me.
Best Regards,
Bennett
At 12:25 AM 2/18/03 -0600, you wrote:
On 17 Feb 2003, , Mail List wrote:
Hi Eric,
And he's a president that's doing a good job. I think he
portrays a "simple country boy" persona, but in actuality, I
think there's a whole lot more to him than he publicaly lets
on. Like a poker player, he holds his cards closely. And his
father was an excellent president too. He "inherited" a
national economic situation from the Reagan years ( and
Ronald Reagan did good things too ) that couldn't be turned
around quickly ( a national economy has incredible mass and
inertia ), so he bore the blame for it and lost to Clinton.
There's a whole lot more going on in the circles of national
gov't. and national defense than they can let be openly
disclosed to the world, for national defense and national
security reasons.
Or international hilarity at his numbness. But I don't
hold the cleverness of his, his father's, or Cheyny's
corporate oil company masters with disdain. I just
figure their aims aren't in the worlds interests.
Oh Bennet, you flawed casualty of Republican wiles.
I hope you don't end up in jail regretting how much you
might have made if YOU had bought out the leftover
Maynard stock.
Lawrence
At 09:45 PM 2/17/03 -0600, you wrote:
> > > No, it was sarcasm, pointing to Sellam's Bush-bashing.
> >
> > Gee... isn't that comment a little extreme? I thought
> > he was just making use of his horticultural abilities
> > from his keyboard, verbally pruning a Shrub...
>
>He was doing yet more of his Bush-bashing. Not Shrub. The
>President of the United States is named Bush. -- Eric
>Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts
>Club at http://www.dittman.net/
lgwalker@ mts.net
17 Feb
17 Feb
3:46 p.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Well I think the name Shrub, meaning "little bush", is
pretty generous considering what most people around
the world are calling him. What most around the world
call the US bully Dubya is even more disrespectful of his
office than that. Hitler was also short in stature and big
with force. Maybe it's a psychological thing.
And Tony Blair is his precariously ruling Mussolini and
Sharon as his Tojo.
Lawrence
On 17 Feb 2003, , Eric Dittman wrote:
He was doing yet more of his Bush-bashing. Not Shrub. The
President of the United States is named Bush. -- Eric
Dittman dittman(a)dittman.net Check out the DEC Enthusiasts
Club at http://www.dittman.net/
lgwalker@ mts.net
No, it was sarcasm, pointing to Sellam's
Bush-bashing.
Gee... isn't that comment a little extreme? I thought he
was just making use of his horticultural abilities from
his keyboard, verbally pruning a Shrub...
7:46 p.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Well I think the name Shrub, meaning "little
bush", is
pretty generous considering what most people around
the world are calling him.
Without going into all this Hitler comparsions, I think
some Americans still overestimate what the world thinks
about Herrn Busch. At least over here, he is already no
longer considered a relevant person or force. Of course
it's not all his own work, he had in Rumsfeld an unusual
profient helper (*1).
The real problem will arise when this impression may get
to become permanent _and_ extended to the US at all. If
a big mouth or a schoolbully gets ignored at the school
yard, that is maybe unusual, but may wield a positive
result. If the libero (ok, quaterback for all who use
an odd shaped ball for football) gets ignored by the
team winning is no longer possible.
Gruss
H.
(*1) There are quite a lot of serious people who wellcome
a reduction of american troops over here. It's just sucking
up German tax money without any return.
--
VCF Europa 4.0 am 03./04. Mai 2003 in Muenchen
http://www.vcfe.org/
18 Feb
18 Feb
3:28 a.m.
New subject: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Rumor has it that R. D. Davis may have mentioned these words:
Quothe Eric Dittman, from writings of Mon, Feb 17, 2003
at 09:19:33PM -0600:
If it was horticultural, it seemed a lot more to me like manure-spreading -
one of the few things in which "close only counts..."
[[ This is not indicative of whether I agree with the Prez or not... only
calling 'em as I see 'em... ]]
Laterz,
"Merch"
--
Roger "Merch" Merchberger -- sysadmin, Iceberg Computers
zmerch(a)30below.com
What do you do when Life gives you lemons,
and you don't *like* lemonade?????????????
No, it was sarcasm, pointing to Sellam's
Bush-bashing.
Gee... isn't that comment a little extreme? I thought he was just
making use of his horticultural abilities from his keyboard, verbally
pruning a Shrub...
17 Feb
17 Feb
3:24 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Eric Dittman wrote:
No, it was sarcasm, pointing to Sellam's
Bush-bashing.
Sellam seems to take every chance he gets to bash Bush and the
administration. I was making a point.
And your point is, what? That you're a racist?
Since when does pointing out the obvious equate to "Bush-bashing"?
--
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
* Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *
4:21 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
No, it was
sarcasm, pointing to Sellam's Bush-bashing.
Sellam seems to take every chance he gets to bash Bush and the
administration. I was making a point.
And your point is, what? That you're a racist? Since when does pointing out the obvious equate to
"Bush-bashing"?
Where is your proof? Circumstantial evidence is not proof.
--
Eric Dittman
dittman(a)dittman.net
Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/
4:42 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Where is your proof? Circumstantial evidence is not
proof.
Well, if you're in court it is. Here is the standard jury instruction
on circumstantial evidence in criminal trials in the U.S.:
"Evidence may be direct or circumstantial. Direct evidence is direct
proof of a fact, such as testimony of an eyewitness. Circumstantial
evidence is indirect evidence, that is, proof of a chain of facts from
which you could find that another fact exists, even though it has not
been proved directly. You are to consider both kinds of evidence. The
law permits you to give equal weight to both, but it is for you to
decide how much weight to give to any evidence."
5:03 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Where is your
proof? Circumstantial evidence is not proof.
Well, if you're in court it is. Here is the standard jury instruction
on circumstantial evidence in criminal trials in the U.S.:
"Evidence may be direct or circumstantial. Direct evidence is direct
proof of a fact, such as testimony of an eyewitness. Circumstantial
evidence is indirect evidence, that is, proof of a chain of facts from
which you could find that another fact exists, even though it has not
been proved directly. You are to consider both kinds of evidence. The
law permits you to give equal weight to both, but it is for you to
decide how much weight to give to any evidence."
7:08 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
On 18 Feb 2003, , Wayne M. Smith wrote:
The Bush administations case on Iraq.
The devil made me do it.
That's all Folks
Ta-ta ta-ta ta-taa
Ta-ta ta-ta ta-taa
Ta-ta ta-ta ta
taa tum
lgwalker@ mts.net
Okay, for a
legal-as-in-U.S.-courts, what do they call
evidence that is circumstantial in nature that requires a
leap of faith to be true? --
18 Feb
18 Feb
9:36 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Quothe Lawrence Walker, from writings of Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 03:09:26AM -0600:
The devil made me do it.
Careful, the Shrub administration will have you stoned to death for
for being posessed. On a more serious note, did anyone realize that
some people, who are close friends of high-ranking Bush adminstration
officials, belong to a group that wants to make it U.S. law for people
to be stoned to death for violating Biblical "law?"
--
Copyright (C) 2002 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
12:34 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Robert,
On a more serious note, did anyone realize that
some people, who are close friends of high-ranking Bush adminstration
officials, belong to a group that wants to make it U.S. law for people
be stoned to death for violating Biblical "law?"
Come on man, this can't be true, can it? Where did you find this information?
And is it factual?
You are a unique individual. It seems you have some "conspierist" <sp?>
theories
of the US Government.
We're actually fairly close neighbors. Someday I'd like to meet you. Not to
argue
your point of view, but just to try to understand it.
Best Regards
At 06:59 PM 2/18/03 -0500, you wrote:
Quothe Lawrence Walker, from writings of Tue, Feb 18,
2003 at 03:09:26AM
-0600:
The devil made me do it.
Careful, the Shrub administration will have you stoned to death for
for being posessed. On a more serious note, did anyone realize that
some people, who are close friends of high-ranking Bush adminstration
officials, belong to a group that wants to make it U.S. law for people
to be stoned to death for violating Biblical "law?"
--
Copyright (C) 2002 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify
such
http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. 
6 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Hm, I don't recall seeing anything about stonings, but some
of these strategy papers from the Free Congress Foundation make
for an interesting read.
http://www.freecongress.org/centers/cc/new_tradiitionalist.asp
The most-cited link between these people and the White House being
this piece:
http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,107219,00.html
By the way, does anyone know where I can get a keyboard
for a Victor 9000? ;-)
Regards,
--
Eric Josephson
On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Mail List wrote:
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:30:56 -0500
From: Mail List <mail.list(a)analog-and-digital-solutions.com>
Reply-To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
To: cctalk(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Robert,
On a more serious note, did anyone realize that
some people, who are close friends of high-ranking Bush adminstration
officials, belong to a group that wants to make it U.S. law for people
be stoned to death for violating Biblical "law?"
Come on man, this can't be true, can it? Where did you find this information?
And is it factual?
You are a unique individual. It seems you have some "conspierist" <sp?>
theories
of the US Government.
We're actually fairly close neighbors. Someday I'd like to meet you. Not to
argue
your point of view, but just to try to understand it.
Best Regards
At 06:59 PM 2/18/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Quothe Lawrence Walker, from writings of Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 03:09:26AM
>-0600:
> > The devil made me do it.
>
>Careful, the Shrub administration will have you stoned to death for
>for being posessed. On a more serious note, did anyone realize that
>some people, who are close friends of high-ranking Bush adminstration
>officials, belong to a group that wants to make it U.S. law for people
>to be stoned to death for violating Biblical "law?"
>
>--
>Copyright (C) 2002 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
>All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
>rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify
>such
>http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
19 Feb
19 Feb
11:58 a.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Quothe Mail List, from writings of Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 09:30:56PM -0500:
Come on man, this can't be true, can it? Where did
you find this
information?
[about Bush administration officials and their connection to a group
that favors stoning people to death for offenses that violate Biblical
teachings, such as stoning women to death for extramarital affairs]
And is it factual?
Check it out for yourself:
http://www.au.org/press/pr021114.htm
Also, keep in mind that the Bush Administration unofficially requires
staff members to attend Bible study in the White House, and at least
one member of the staff has resigned over this unofficial requirement.
Draw your own conclusion. For further information, check out an
article in the Baltimore Sun (www.sunspot.net) about Bush and
religion:
"Bush turns increasingly to language of religion," (Published: 02/10/03)
Here's another interesting little tidbit of information connecting the
Shrub administration to religious extremism, displaying the
administration's apparent dislike for science and rational thought
(does anyone want to place a bet on how long it will be until an
"Intellectual Thought Crimes Act" is proposed by the administration?):
President Bush has announced his plan to select Dr. W.
David Hager to head up the Food and Drug
Administration's (FDA) Reproductive Health Drugs
Advisory Committee. Hager is a practicing
obstetrician-gynecologist, and sources told Time
magazine that in his private practice he will not
prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. He is also
the author of a book which suggests that women who
suffer from premenstrual syndrome should seek help from
reading the bible and praying.
The Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee is
responsible for offering expert scientific and medical
advice to the FDA on matters relating to drugs used in
the practice of obstetrics, gynecology, and related [...]
You are a unique individual.
Should not everyone be a unique, free-thinking, individual?
It seems you have some "conspierist"
<sp?> theories of the US
Government. ^^^^^^^^^^^
Conspiracy. The word is conspiracy, as most people, of reasonable
intellect, learned by the time they were old enough to vote or discuss
politics. However, no, I don't really think that what I write about
has much of anything to do with conspiracy theories, despite your
fanciful thinking. Does denying reality truly make you happy?
We're actually fairly close neighbors. Someday
I'd like to meet
Eh? We might both be on the same side of the Mason-Dixon line, but
you're in a different state... not exactly close by. Alas, we're not
close enough neighbors for a nice neighborly feud... dang. ;-)
you. Not to argue your point of view, but just to try
to understand
it.
Here's the key to understanding what I've written: Try thinking for
yourself----that's what you have a useable brain (it must be somewhat
functional, as you appear to have sense enough to like DEC equipment
:-)) for, and you may begin to understand not only my way of thinking,
but the way of thinking of the many other individuals on this
list---who are capable of independent thought, whether or not they
share any of my views. I don't claim to always be 100-percent
correct, although I can at least say that I think for myself, and I
try not to be a pawn of the propaganda pushers on the right or left.
--
Copyright (C) 2002 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
4:29 p.m.
New subject: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Hello Robert,
Check it out for yourself:
http://www.au.org/press/pr021114.htm
I took a look at that. It looked like one administration official was in the
proximity of a person that might have had that opinion. I didn't see that
the administration official shared that exact opinion, nor that the entire
Bush administration is being influenced by it.
I must admit I limited the amount of time spent analyzing it. In fact I
just spared the time for a brief scan.
These days just about anyone can upload just about any point of view
and make just about any claim they want on a page on the internet.
In just a couple minutes with google ...
Here's a Survivalist's Page
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6856/home.html
Here's a Christian Fundamentalist's Page
http://www.falwell.com/
Islamic Fundamentalists ???
http://ikashmir.org/fundamentalism.html
The John Birch Society ... The Far, Far, Right Wing point of view ???
http://www.jbs.org/
The Anarchists ???
http://www.radio4all.org/anarchy/
The Communists ???
http://www.communism.org/
The Neo-Nazis ???
http://www.geocities.com/newworldorder_themovie/intro_neonazi.html
In other words, every "ist" or "izm" point of view is out there. There
is
one common feature to everyone of them. They all claim to be telling
the truth, and that their point of view is the correct one.
Reminds me of political "phamplets" printed and distributed by
underground organizations in the past. What they are distributing
is their opinion. And of course it would be claimed as fact. These days
this distribution can be done at much lower cost. No printing. No
paper. Just web space and a connection.
Some of it you just have to take with a grain of salt. I don't think it is
any real danger. Plus we have a system of government with checks
and balances built into it. There could be individuals employed by or
in some other way providing services to our government that may
personally have an opinion that may be somewhat "unique" unto themselves
but will never pass all the hurdles required to become national policy or
law to affect everyone.
But in this country with freedom of speech, and freedom of the press,
to have your point of view is your right, just as long as you keep your
actions within the confines of the law.
But when you tell your point of view to others that hold a different
point of view, there is the potential for disagreement. And when you tell
others
that have a different point of view that they are wrong because they don't
share your point of view, disagreement is a very likely outcome.
Conspiracy. The word is conspiracy
No, I was looking for a different variant. I keep a dictionary on my shelf
above
the computer. I did check and didn't find the correct spelling for the
variant I
was looking for, so I noted that I doubted the spelling was correct, and moved
on. Again, it was the need to limit the amount of time spent on that one item.
Try thinking for yourself
I do. That's why I don't believe everything I read or everything I hear. On the
internet, in the newspapers, or on TV.
you may begin to understand not only my way of
thinking, but
the way of thinking of the many other individuals on this list
I understand the point of view of many others too. But I remember having
read just about everything I have read. I also cross correlate information
from numerous sources. In doing so, I have discovered
some dichotomies.
I then put thought into the analysis of why these dichotomies
might exist,
and unfortunately, sometimes, there is much going on other than would
be noted from examining only one source.
Best Regards
At 09:21 PM 2/19/03 -0500, you wrote:
Quothe Mail List, from writings of Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at
09:30:56PM -0500:
Come on man, this can't be true, can it?
Where did you find this
information?
[about Bush administration officials and their connection to a group
that favors stoning people to death for offenses that violate Biblical
teachings, such as stoning women to death for extramarital affairs]
And is it factual?
Check it out for yourself:
http://www.au.org/press/pr021114.htm
Also, keep in mind that the Bush Administration unofficially requires
staff members to attend Bible study in the White House, and at least
one member of the staff has resigned over this unofficial requirement.
Draw your own conclusion. For further information, check out an
article in the Baltimore Sun (www.sunspot.net) about Bush and
religion:
"Bush turns increasingly to language of religion," (Published: 02/10/03)
Here's another interesting little tidbit of information connecting the
Shrub administration to religious extremism, displaying the
administration's apparent dislike for science and rational thought
(does anyone want to place a bet on how long it will be until an
"Intellectual Thought Crimes Act" is proposed by the administration?):
President Bush has announced his plan to select Dr. W.
David Hager to head up the Food and Drug
Administration's (FDA) Reproductive Health Drugs
Advisory Committee. Hager is a practicing
obstetrician-gynecologist, and sources told Time
magazine that in his private practice he will not
prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. He is also
the author of a book which suggests that women who
suffer from premenstrual syndrome should seek help from
reading the bible and praying.
The Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee is
responsible for offering expert scientific and medical
advice to the FDA on matters relating to drugs used in
the practice of obstetrics, gynecology, and related [...]
You are a unique individual.
Should not everyone be a unique, free-thinking, individual?
It seems you have some "conspierist"
<sp?> theories of the US
Government. ^^^^^^^^^^^
Conspiracy. The word is conspiracy, as most people, of reasonable
intellect, learned by the time they were old enough to vote or discuss
politics. However, no, I don't really think that what I write about
has much of anything to do with conspiracy theories, despite your
fanciful thinking. Does denying reality truly make you happy?
We're actually fairly close neighbors.
Someday I'd like to meet
Eh? We might both be on the same side of the Mason-Dixon line, but
you're in a different state... not exactly close by. Alas, we're not
close enough neighbors for a nice neighborly feud... dang. ;-)
you. Not to argue your point of view, but just to
try to understand
it.
Here's the key to understanding what I've written: Try thinking for
yourself----that's what you have a useable brain (it must be somewhat
functional, as you appear to have sense enough to like DEC equipment
:-)) for, and you may begin to understand not only my way of thinking,
but the way of thinking of the many other individuals on this
list---who are capable of independent thought, whether or not they
share any of my views. I don't claim to always be 100-percent
correct, although I can at least say that I think for myself, and I
try not to be a pawn of the propaganda pushers on the right or left.
--
Copyright (C) 2002 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify
such
http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. 
11:38 p.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
At 09:21 PM 2/19/03 -0500, you wrote:
Quothe Mail List, from writings of Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at
09:30:56PM -0500:
Yikes! We're back in the 16th century! When do the witch trials begin?
I never heard a word of this in the US news reports. Just goes to show how controlled
our news really is. It makes you wonder what else we're not being told!
Joe
Come on man, this can't be true, can it?
Where did you find this
information?
[about Bush administration officials and their connection to a group
that favors stoning people to death for offenses that violate Biblical
teachings, such as stoning women to death for extramarital affairs]
And is it factual?
Check it out for yourself:
http://www.au.org/press/pr021114.htm
Also, keep in mind that the Bush Administration unofficially requires
staff members to attend Bible study in the White House, and at least
one member of the staff has resigned over this unofficial requirement.
Draw your own conclusion. For further information, check out an
article in the Baltimore Sun (www.sunspot.net) about Bush and
religion:
"Bush turns increasingly to language of religion," (Published: 02/10/03)
Here's another interesting little tidbit of information connecting the
Shrub administration to religious extremism, displaying the
administration's apparent dislike for science and rational thought
(does anyone want to place a bet on how long it will be until an
"Intellectual Thought Crimes Act" is proposed by the administration?):
President Bush has announced his plan to select Dr. W.
David Hager to head up the Food and Drug
Administration's (FDA) Reproductive Health Drugs
Advisory Committee. Hager is a practicing
obstetrician-gynecologist, and sources told Time
magazine that in his private practice he will not
prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. He is also
the author of a book which suggests that women who
suffer from premenstrual syndrome should seek help from
reading the bible and praying.
The Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee is
responsible for offering expert scientific and medical
advice to the FDA on matters relating to drugs used in
the practice of obstetrics, gynecology, and related [...]
You are a unique individual.
Should not everyone be a unique, free-thinking, individual?
It seems you have some "conspierist"
<sp?> theories of the US
Government. ^^^^^^^^^^^
Conspiracy. The word is conspiracy, as most people, of reasonable
intellect, learned by the time they were old enough to vote or discuss
politics. However, no, I don't really think that what I write about
has much of anything to do with conspiracy theories, despite your
fanciful thinking. Does denying reality truly make you happy?
We're actually fairly close neighbors.
Someday I'd like to meet
Eh? We might both be on the same side of the Mason-Dixon line, but
you're in a different state... not exactly close by. Alas, we're not
close enough neighbors for a nice neighborly feud... dang. ;-)
you. Not to argue your point of view, but just to
try to understand
it.
Here's the key to understanding what I've written: Try thinking for
yourself----that's what you have a useable brain (it must be somewhat
functional, as you appear to have sense enough to like DEC equipment
:-)) for, and you may begin to understand not only my way of thinking,
but the way of thinking of the many other individuals on this
list---who are capable of independent thought, whether or not they
share any of my views. I don't claim to always be 100-percent
correct, although I can at least say that I think for myself, and I
try not to be a pawn of the propaganda pushers on the right or left.
--
Copyright (C) 2002 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. 
20 Feb
20 Feb
4:17 a.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Joe wrote:
Yikes! We're back in the 16th century! When do
the witch trials begin?
I never heard a word of this in the US news reports. Just goes to show how controlled
our news really is. It makes you wonder what else we're not being told!
Joe
Our news isn't controlled! Not in the sense you seem to be conveying.
Sure all the news companies control what goes into there product, but
any company does that! It probably wasn't in the news because the news
companies didn't consider it news worthy, since the "news" is coming
from two potentially "whack job"
organizations.... at least "whack job"
from a liberal new media perspective. I don't know much about either
organization, but I doubt the National Reform Association really wants
to stone people. In fact here is another article:
http://www.natreformassn.org/pr/2002UfSeinpr.html
This country was founded by Christians. They may have had some odd
customs, and they may have made some things "law" that were really
tradition, but thats no reason to reject everything "religious", such as
the principles that this nation was founded on.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
4:49 a.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Chad Fernandez wrote:
Our news isn't controlled! Not in the sense you
seem to be conveying.
Sure all the news companies control what goes into there product, but
any company does that! It probably wasn't in the news because the news
I'd have to disagree with that Chad;
A few weeks ago a US aircraft made a forced landing in Australia and ended
up overshooting the runway, coming to rest in some poor schmucks backyard.
The entire cul de sac became off limits to those people who lived there
because of some_thing_ on the aircraft that was top secret. It was well
splashed across Aussie and New Zealand news.
It never made it to CNN or MSNBC.
Or perhaps its okay they were relocated because it was in _another_
country?
JP
7:45 a.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
I'd have to disagree with that Chad;
A few weeks ago a US aircraft made a forced landing in Australia and
ended up overshooting the runway, coming to rest in some poor schmucks
backyard. The entire cul de sac became off limits to those people who
lived there because of some_thing_ on the aircraft that was top secret.
It was well splashed across Aussie and New Zealand news.
Dunno about Australian law, but if that happened to me here in the
U.S., I'd sue the government for violating my 4th Amendment right to
be secure against unreasonable search and seizeure. I don't have a
problem with them coming onto my property to reclaim their aircraft
(though I'd fully expect to be compensated for damages), but the
government doesn't have any constitutionally-granted power to evict
me from my property (effectively a seizure) just because they've been
careless and allowed top secret material to fall there.
Of course, I'd probably lose the case. It's been said that "national
security" is the root key of the U.S. Constitution. The courts have
routinely allowed national security to trump rights guaranteed to the
people by the constitution, despite there being no constitutional
basis for it.
On the other hand, if they were nice about it, and asked me if I would
please agree to move into a nice hotel for a few days at their expense,
and offered reasonable compensation for my trouble, I'd be fairly likely
to agree to it.
11:38 a.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Hi Eric,
Would that fall under the "power of eminent domain" category?
http://www.vrgappraisals.com/
http://www.bland.org/appal/eminentdomain.html
http://www.howtofightcityhall.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21&sid=
I remember when they put in a new freeway ramp here,
and I knew someone that had to move, whether they
wanted to or not, so it could be done. Of course they
were paid.
Best Regards
At 01:42 PM 2/20/03 -0800, you wrote:
I'd have
to disagree with that Chad;
A few weeks ago a US aircraft made a forced landing in Australia and
ended up overshooting the runway, coming to rest in some poor schmucks
backyard. The entire cul de sac became off limits to those people who
lived there because of some_thing_ on the aircraft that was top secret.
It was well splashed across Aussie and New Zealand news.
Dunno about Australian law, but if that happened to me here in the
U.S., I'd sue the government for violating my 4th Amendment right to
be secure against unreasonable search and seizeure. I don't have a
problem with them coming onto my property to reclaim their aircraft
(though I'd fully expect to be compensated for damages), but the
government doesn't have any constitutionally-granted power to evict
me from my property (effectively a seizure) just because they've been
careless and allowed top secret material to fall there.
Of course, I'd probably lose the case. It's been said that "national
security" is the root key of the U.S. Constitution. The courts have
routinely allowed national security to trump rights guaranteed to the
people by the constitution, despite there being no constitutional
basis for it.
On the other hand, if they were nice about it, and asked me if I would
please agree to move into a nice hotel for a few days at their expense,
and offered reasonable compensation for my trouble, I'd be fairly likely
to agree to it.
11:50 a.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Hi Eric,
Would that fall under the "power of eminent domain" category?
I don't think so, but if it did, they would have to appraise your
property first, and buy it from you. They don't have any legal
power or authority to make you vacate your property without due
process.
Unfortunately, the lack of legal power to do something seldom
seems to actually prevent the government from doing it.
12:28 p.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Hi Eric,
Believe it or not, our neighborhood was a pretty bad one years
ago, just because of some of the people living in one house
across the street.
One time the police came after one of the people that was over there.
I was at work, but my sister and her boyfriend were here at the time.
The SWAT team came and made them leave the house and were
using our front windows to aim from. No shots were ever fired and
I didn't even hear about it until I got home from work.
If the local police can do it, I would guess the federal government
must have some provision that allows them to do what they must,
when they must, also.
Best Regards
At 05:46 PM 2/20/03 -0800, you wrote:
Hi Eric,
Would that fall under the "power of eminent domain" category?
I don't think so, but if it did, they would have to appraise your
property first, and buy it from you. They don't have any legal
power or authority to make you vacate your property without due
process.
Unfortunately, the lack of legal power to do something seldom
seems to actually prevent the government from doing it.
12:41 p.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Quothe Mail List, from writings of Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at
09:24:30PM -0500:
One time the police came after one of the people that
was over there.
I was at work, but my sister and her boyfriend were here at the time.
The SWAT team came and made them leave the house and were
using our front windows to aim from. No shots were ever fired and
I didn't even hear about it until I got home from work.
Here in Baltimore County, something like that was in the news a few
years ago. The police claimed to need, for strategic purposes, the
use of a house in a neighborhood near where a hostage situation (IIRC)
was taking place, so they broke in, killed the dog that lived in the
house as it was threatening to them (rightfully defending it's owner's
property---I don't think the owners were home), and used the house for
their work. You can read about it in the archives of the local
newspaper. That was a travesty of justice, and the police became the
murders; the dog's life---the life of an innocent creature, was of no
less value than their own, and they had no right to take it, just
because they wanted to break into, and use, someone's private property
for the so-called "public good." The government in that case was no
less a criminal than the criminal it was trying to apprehend.
If the local police can do it, I would guess the
federal government
must have some provision that allows them to do what they must,
when they must, also.
It's called bully tactics.
--
Copyright (C) 2002 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
21 Feb
21 Feb
12:06 a.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Hi Robert,
killed the dog that lived in the house
I be really really bummed out about that. If only they'd just
had a tranquilizer dart gun like animal handlers might. But
it was probably all unanticipated and spur of the moment
action.
Best Regards
At 10:04 PM 2/20/03 -0500, you wrote:
Quothe Mail List, from writings of Thu, Feb 20, 2003
at
09:24:30PM -0500:
One time the police came after one of the people
that was over there.
I was at work, but my sister and her boyfriend were here at the time.
The SWAT team came and made them leave the house and were
using our front windows to aim from. No shots were ever fired and
I didn't even hear about it until I got home from work.
Here in Baltimore County, something like that was in the news a few
years ago. The police claimed to need, for strategic purposes, the
use of a house in a neighborhood near where a hostage situation (IIRC)
was taking place, so they broke in, killed the dog that lived in the
house as it was threatening to them (rightfully defending it's owner's
property---I don't think the owners were home), and used the house for
their work. You can read about it in the archives of the local
newspaper. That was a travesty of justice, and the police became the
murders; the dog's life---the life of an innocent creature, was of no
less value than their own, and they had no right to take it, just
because they wanted to break into, and use, someone's private property
for the so-called "public good." The government in that case was no
less a criminal than the criminal it was trying to apprehend.
If the local police can do it, I would guess the
federal government
must have some provision that allows them to do what they must,
when they must, also.
It's called bully tactics.
--
Copyright (C) 2002 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify
such
http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. 
20 Feb
20 Feb
11:22 p.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no
And thusly Mail List spake:
I remember when they put in a new freeway ramp here,
and I knew someone that had to move, whether they
wanted to or not, so it could be done. Of course they
were paid.
Gee, sounds like Hitchhiker's Guide To the Galaxy! ;-)
Cheers,
Bryan
21 Feb
21 Feb
1:03 a.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no
Hello Bryan,
Gee, sounds like Hitchhiker's Guide To the Galaxy!
;-)
I always meant to getting around to reading that one, but
just never did. Maybe I finally should.
Best Regards
At 08:16 AM 2/21/03 -0500, you wrote:
And thusly Mail List spake:
I remember when they put in a new freeway ramp here,
and I knew someone that had to move, whether they
wanted to or not, so it could be done. Of course they
were paid.
Gee, sounds like Hitchhiker's Guide To the Galaxy! ;-)
Cheers,
Bryan
1:11 a.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no
And thusly Mail List spake:
Hello Bryan,
You will not be disappointed! And make sure you read all five
books of the triliogy.
Cheers,
Bryan
Gee, sounds like Hitchhiker's Guide To the
Galaxy! ;-)
I always meant to getting around to reading that one, but
just never did. Maybe I finally should.
Best Regards
5:35 a.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no
Gee, sounds like Hitchhiker's Guide To the Galaxy!
;-)
I always meant to getting around to reading that one, but
just never did. Maybe I finally should.
20 Feb
20 Feb
11:31 a.m.
New subject: Let the witch trials begin! Re: OT: Re: Going OT Re: (no subject)
Quothe JP Hindin, from writings of Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 12:46:09PM -0600:
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Chad Fernandez wrote:
I'd have to disagree with that Chad;
A few weeks ago a US aircraft made a forced landing in Australia and ended
up overshooting the runway, coming to rest in some poor schmucks backyard.
The entire cul de sac became off limits to those people who lived there
Those people should have stayed and, at the very least, chucked raw
eggs at the goons who invaded their neighborhood, and steadfastly
refused to leave.
because of some_thing_ on the aircraft that was top
secret. It was well
splashed across Aussie and New Zealand news.
Never saw it on the news over here... not surprising though.
It never made it to CNN or MSNBC.
Most interesting... it appears that the CIA spooks have been busy. Didn't
see it on Fox news either.
Or perhaps its okay they were relocated because it was
in _another_
country?
I'm a U.S. citizen (well, I might not be after the SS, Shrubs Spooks,
reads this... they might revoke my citizenship, even though my
ancestors came over here several hundred years ago) and I don't think
it was ok. The U.S. military had no right to do that, whether
overseas or over here... anyone who lands on someone's _private
property_ and then has the audacity to order the owners to leave, as
well as ordering people living in neighboring properties to leave,
their property deserves to be running from lots of buckshot! No one
should hold still for something like that. Governments have become
too powerful and too arrogant. ...which goes back to what I was
saying about 4th of July parades, politicians, tar and feathers. To
many politicians are too powerful, too well paid and too arrogant;
they need to learn that they're supposed to be servants of the people.
Then, when the arrogant SOBs die, entire highways get closed off for
their funerals (the same thing happens for cops funerals as well over
here - at least in this part of Maryland anyway). It's beginning to
appear as though the citizens of the U.S. are the servants of the
elected officials and their elite guard.
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3:13 p.m.
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JP Hindin wrote:
I'd have to disagree with that Chad;
A few weeks ago a US aircraft made a forced landing in Australia and ended
up overshooting the runway, coming to rest in some poor schmucks backyard.
The entire cul de sac became off limits to those people who lived there
because of some_thing_ on the aircraft that was top secret. It was well
splashed across Aussie and New Zealand news
It never made it to CNN or MSNBC.
Or perhaps its okay they were relocated because it was in _another_
country?
That doesn't mean that our government was responsible for it not being
on our news.
I don't know the top secret contents of that plane. Maybe it was done
with good reason. I'm sure the Aussie govt. was involved, too.
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
2:35 p.m.
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On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Chad Fernandez wrote:
This country was founded by Christians. They may have
had some odd
customs, and they may have made some things "law" that were really
tradition, but thats no reason to reject everything "religious", such as
the principles that this nation was founded on.
I am quite religious myself. I am not Christian. If you try forcing
Christian ideals on me, I will go apeshit. Seriously. Most of the stuff
that Christians think are part of all religions simply aren't. I don't
force my religion on you. Keep yours out of my affairs.
Peace... Sridhar
21 Feb
21 Feb
12:20 a.m.
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Hi Sridhar,
That's why separation of church and state is probably a very
good idea. The people in this country have come here from
every region of the world, and have brought their religious
beliefs with them. Religion should probably remain a personal
matter, and not be made part of the government's areas of
concern, other than to protect the peoples rights to practice
what form of religion they choose.
Best Regards
At 11:01 PM 2/20/03 -0500, you wrote:
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Chad Fernandez wrote:
This country was founded by Christians. They may
have had some odd
customs, and they may have made some things "law" that were really
tradition, but thats no reason to reject everything "religious", such as
the principles that this nation was founded on.
I am quite religious myself. I am not Christian. If you try forcing
Christian ideals on me, I will go apeshit. Seriously. Most of the stuff
that Christians think are part of all religions simply aren't. I don't
force my religion on you. Keep yours out of my affairs.
Peace... Sridhar
2:14 a.m.
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Mail List wrote:
That's why separation of church and state is
probably a very good idea.
The people in this country have come here from every region of the
world, and have brought their religious beliefs with them. Religion
should probably remain a personal matter, and not be made part of the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
government's areas of concern, other than to
protect the peoples rights
to practice what form of religion they choose.
"should probably"? It's embedded in the Constitution!!!
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4:17 a.m.
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Hello Sellam,
"should probably"? It's embedded in the
Constitution!!!
Yes, but remember, the Constitution can be changed, if the people
of the United States decided to change it. Hopefully that article will
remain as it is.
Best Regards
At 08:06 AM 2/21/03 -0800, you wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Mail List wrote:
That's why separation of church and state is
probably a very good idea.
The people in this country have come here from every region of the
world, and have brought their religious beliefs with them. Religion
should probably remain a personal matter, and not be made part of the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
government's areas of concern, other than to
protect the peoples rights
to practice what form of religion they choose.
"should probably"? It's embedded in the Constitution!!!
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9:42 a.m.
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Mail List wrote:
I'll take Philosopher Kings over Democracy any day.
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"should
probably"? It's embedded in the Constitution!!!
Yes, but remember, the Constitution can be changed, if the people
of the United States decided to change it. Hopefully that article will
remain as it is.
20 Feb
20 Feb
3:12 p.m.
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Please, all... forgive me...
At 13:07 02/20/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Joe wrote:
Maybe I wouldn't respond to this without a 6-pack within... but... Well...
it's not worth a response, even with a 6-pack... :-/
Yikes! We're back in the 16th
century![snip]
Joe
Our news isn't controlled! This country was founded by Christians.
Founded? Stolen, more like. Yo, dude... head up north -- I'm guessing about
350 miles -- and meet some of the folks that this country was stolen *from*.
And yes, I am of both German and "American Indian/Aboriginal
North-American/folks that were here 40Kyears before the rest of y'all" [[
however you wanna put it...]] so I've learned to walk a mile in someone
else's moccasins...
-- Granted, they're frelling up their own nation[s] quite well, but I must
say that they had *good* teachers... :-/
They may have had some odd customs, and they may
have made some things
"law" that were really tradition, but thats no reason to reject
everything "religious", such as the principles that this nation was founded on.
You mean, citing war on others despite (or because of) the #1 commandment
of most [all?] Christian faiths: "Thou shalt not kill." Despite 2000 years
of trying, Christianity (in all it's flavors) is still not the dominant
faith of this planet... Any chance there's a reason for that?
So much for the witch trials... back to the Crusades!!!
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA [1]
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
[[Again, Forgive me.]] -- See next post for something on-topic (for a
change...)
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
[1] Erm, yea... Born and raised... but at least I know that "North of the
Mackinac[2] Bridge" ain't Canada... Honestly, I'm not saying that you think
that, but I met *many* folks born & raised in the lower half of Michigan
that didn't know better, and tried telling me such... :-/
[2] And no... Eudora doesn't know the correct spelling for Mackinac, either...
3:41 p.m.
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Roger Merchberger wrote:
You honestly believe that the governmant controls what CNN, MSNBC, FOX,
etc. put into there news casts?
The Canadians??? I've heard people say that we stole it from the
Indians, but never the Canadians.
Our news
isn't controlled!
Maybe I wouldn't respond to this without a 6-pack within... but...
Well... it's not worth a response, even with a 6-pack... :-/ This country was founded by Christians.
Founded? Stolen, more like. Yo, dude... head up north -- I'm guessing
about 350 miles -- and meet some of the folks that this country was
stolen *from*.
And yes, I am of both German and "American Indian/Aboriginal
North-American/folks that were here 40Kyears before the rest of y'all"
[[ however you wanna put it...]] so I've learned to walk a mile in
someone else's moccasins...
Yes, we were not fair with the Indians, beaking treaties and so on, but
just because a person is born in the USA, doesn't make him a Christian.
A person can even go to church and not really be a Christain. Your
lumping a lot of people into "Christain", that you shouldn't be, just
becasue they may hold some Christian values, and don't profess to be
something else, like Muslim, Hindu, or Whatever.
You mean, citing war on others despite (or because of)
the #1
commandment of most [all?] Christian faiths: "Thou shalt not kill."
Despite 2000 years of trying, Christianity (in all it's flavors) is
still not the dominant faith of this planet... Any chance there's a
reason for that
So much for the witch trials... back to the Crusades!!!
The Crusades were filled with people looking for self gain. They may
have done what they did in the name of the Lord, but it was still for
self gain, from what I have read. I do recall hearing that the first
one was somewhat legit, but it's been a long time since I've studied that.
[1] Erm, yea... Born and raised... but at least I know
that "North of
the Mackinac[2] Bridge" ain't Canada... Honestly, I'm not saying that
you think that, but I met *many* folks born & raised in the lower half
of Michigan that didn't know better, and tried telling me such... :-/
Maybe they were new here? I never really liked Pastys
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
21 Feb
21 Feb
2:08 a.m.
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Chad Fernandez wrote:
You honestly believe that the governmant controls what
CNN, MSNBC, FOX,
etc. put into there news casts?
Controls? No. Influences? Definitely.
The Crusades were filled with people looking for self
gain. They may
have done what they did in the name of the Lord, but it was still for
self gain, from what I have read.
Hmm, kinda like the current push for war.
I do recall hearing that the first one was somewhat
legit, but it's been
a long time since I've studied that.
No part of The Crusades was ever "legit".
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2:28 a.m.
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Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Oh, your one of those people, who thinks it'a about oil.
Chad Fernandez
Mcihigan, USA
The Crusades
were filled with people looking for self gain. They may
have done what they did in the name of the Lord, but it was still for
self gain, from what I have read.
Hmm, kinda like the current push for war.
9:23 a.m.
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Chad Fernandez wrote:
Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
Oh, your one of those people, who thinks it'a about oil.
No, I'm one of "those people" who sees no logic whatsoever in going to
war with Iraq. I don't want to say that those in favor are stupid, but
those in favor are dumb.
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The
Crusades were filled with people looking for self gain. They may
have done what they did in the name of the Lord, but it was still for
self gain, from what I have read.
Hmm, kinda like the current push for war.
8:07 p.m.
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On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Chad Fernandez wrote:
Oh, your one of those people, who thinks it'a about oil.
It *is* about oil. If it were about human rights and "weapons of mass
destruction" (most of which aren't), why aren't we going after mainland
China, North Korea, some of Europe, and *ourselves*?
Peace... Sridhar
The Crusades were filled with people looking for self
gain. They may
have done what they did in the name of the Lord, but it was still for
self gain, from what I have read.
Hmm, kinda like the current push for war.
3:39 p.m.
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vance(a)neurotica.com wrote:
It *is* about oil. If it were about human rights and
"weapons of mass
destruction" (most of which aren't), why aren't we going after mainland
China, North Korea, some of Europe, and *ourselves*?
I can't say I exactly like China having those kinds of weapons, but
they've had then for years. They don't seem to be itching to use them,
either.
Korea doesn't have them, and we don't want them to. It's being handled
differently than Iraq, However.
Europe? Most European countries are considered allies.
Ourselves? I don't think were going to bomb ourselves..... at least not
with that kind of weapon. We seem to stick to simpler stuff like
diesel fuel and fertilizer
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
8:13 p.m.
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2003, Chad Fernandez wrote:
Given certain incentive, they wouldn't hesitate.
It *is* about
oil. If it were about human rights and "weapons of mass
destruction" (most of which aren't), why aren't we going after
mainland China, North Korea, some of Europe, and *ourselves*?
I can't say I exactly like China having those kinds of weapons, but
they've had then for years. They don't seem to be itching to use them,
either. Korea doesn't have them, and we don't want
them to. It's being handled
differently than Iraq, However.
North Korea has them, U.S. Intelligence shows they have them, and they
admit they have them.
Europe? Most European countries are considered
allies.
Ourselves? I don't think were going to bomb ourselves..... at least not
with that kind of weapon. We seem to stick to simpler stuff like
diesel fuel and fertilizer
So what? Don't you think it's hypocritical to do the kind of things we
accuse them of?
Peace... Sridhar
18 Feb
18 Feb
12:19 a.m.
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Okay, for a
legal-as-in-U.S.-courts, what do they call
evidence that is circumstantial in nature that requires a
leap of faith to be true?
Conjectural.
17 Feb
17 Feb
7:38 p.m.
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Eric Dittman wrote:
Okay, for a legal-as-in-U.S.-courts, what do they call
evidence
that is circumstantial in nature that requires a leap of faith
to be true?
Colin Powell's presentation at the UN last week?
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18 Feb
12:11 a.m.
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Okay, for a
legal-as-in-U.S.-courts, what do they call evidence
that is circumstantial in nature that requires a leap of faith
to be true?
Colin Powell's presentation at the UN last week?
3:01 a.m.
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Eric Dittman wrote:
There you go! Ask for facts, and Sellam jumps to make another
slam on the administration!
You wanted an example so I gave you one!
:)
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Okay, for a legal-as-in-U.S.-courts, what do they call
evidence
that is circumstantial in nature that requires a leap of faith
to be true?
Colin Powell's presentation at the UN last week?
17 Feb
17 Feb
5:40 p.m.
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On 18 Feb 2003, , Eric Dittman wrote:
No, pinhead, I was pointing out that you were painting with
a broad stroke without anything other than circumstantial
evidence.
Somewhat like Dubyas utterences and Colin Powell's
"unrefutable" evidence refuted both by Hans Blick and the
international community? Or Tonee Blairs "evidence" that
was written by a university student. My Blockhead, I
would suggest you read a little more and not accept
without reflection the CNN administation spin on things
and short TV clips. Lord-all-mighty you may even learn
to think independantly and become a "homeland" threat.
I'm sure if I went thru the founding fathers writings like
Patrick Henry and the works of the great american
authors like Mark Twain and Will Rogers I could find a
description of what sort of patriots you and Dubya are.
Hmmm. You aren't the guy that was brought up in an
authoritarian regime, and was proclaiming your
americanism recently are you ?
Lawrence
lgwalker@ mts.net
No, it was sarcasm, pointing to Sellam's
Bush-bashing.
Sellam seems to take every chance he gets to bash Bush
and the administration. I was making a point.
And your point is, what? That you're a racist? Since when does pointing out the obvious equate
to
"Bush-bashing"?
Where is your proof? Circumstantial evidence is not proof.
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18 Feb
18 Feb
midnight
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No, it was
sarcasm, pointing to Sellam's Bush-bashing.
Sellam seems to take every chance he gets to bash Bush
and the administration. I was making a point.
And your point is, what? That you're a racist? I'm sure if I went thru the founding fathers
writings like
Patrick Henry and the works of the great american
authors like Mark Twain and Will Rogers I could find a
description of what sort of patriots you and Dubya are.
I'm sure you know absolutely anything about me and
my beliefs.
Hmmm. You aren't the guy that was brought up in
an
authoritarian regime, and was proclaiming your
americanism recently are you ?
No.
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17 Feb
17 Feb
7:25 p.m.
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Eric Dittman wrote:
Oh, I'm sorry. You apparently didn't get the memo. The new standard in
our current US system is to provide circumstantial evidence of a claim and
then force the accused party to prove they are not guilty. Since I'm an
American citizen, I feel a right to exercise this new form of
jurisprudence myself.
In light of any hard evidence nor the Bush administration's ability to
prove itself innocent of my charges, I find them guilty. Ready the
forces.
I rest my case.
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No, pinhead, I was pointing out that you were painting
with a
broad stroke without anything other than circumstantial
evidence.
Oh, you mean like the Bush administration's evidence regarding Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction programs?
Since when
does pointing out the obvious equate to "Bush-bashing"?
Where is your proof? Circumstantial evidence is not proof.
18 Feb
18 Feb
12:19 a.m.
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No, pinhead, I
was pointing out that you were painting with a
broad stroke without anything other than circumstantial
evidence.
Oh, you mean like the Bush administration's evidence regarding Iraq's
weapons of mass destruction programs? Since when does pointing out the obvious equate to
"Bush-bashing"?
Where is your proof? Circumstantial evidence is not proof.
3:03 a.m.
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On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Eric Dittman wrote:
Besides, you and everyone else seem to miss the worst
part of the
Patriot Act II: The government wants the power to strip people suspected
of, or dealing with, organizations the government declares to be
terrorist in nature, of their U.S. citizenship. That's the most scary
part. It has been hard in the past to strip someone of their
citizenship, and there had to be a reason to declare an organization of
being terrorist in nature. With PAII, they can declare it, strip people
of their citizenship, then send them off. Where's the checks and
balances?
Eric, this has already happened. Remember Joseph Padilla? Exactly.
PAII will just put into legislation what the gubment has already assumed
power to do. They just want to make it "legal".
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17 Feb
3:22 p.m.
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Lawrence Walker wrote:
I might remind you also that the oppressive Saudi-
Arabian regime is
the US's most closely alligned arab client state in the mid-east next to
Kuwait. Bin Lauden's Saudi-Arabian fortunes came from your gas expenses,
Yes, one could say that Eric Dittman finances terrorism.
Let's keep this ideological crap off the list and
then I don't have to
further the OTism with non-ameriKKKan responses and diatribes.
I concur.
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4:19 p.m.
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I might
remind you also that the oppressive Saudi- Arabian regime is
the US's most closely alligned arab client state in the mid-east next to
Kuwait. Bin Lauden's Saudi-Arabian fortunes came from your gas expenses,
Yes, one could say that Eric Dittman finances terrorism. Let's
keep this ideological crap off the list and then I don't have to
further the OTism with non-ameriKKKan responses and diatribes.
I concur.
3:44 p.m.
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Let's keep this ideological crap off the list and
then I
don't have to further the OTism with non-ameriKKKan
responses and diatribes.
Let's try and keep the hypocrisy to a minimum. If you want to "keep
this ideological crap off the list" then don't contribute to it by using
terms like "ameriKKKan."
4:40 p.m.
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To a racist message it seems apropos. Hypocrisy is
denying the obvious and affirming the other. Like it or not
the KKK is part of US history and I will shamefully admit
part of Canadian as well. Nuff said.
Lawrence
On 17 Feb 2003, , Wayne M. Smith wrote:
lgwalker@ mts.net
Let's
keep this ideological crap off the list and then I
don't have to further the OTism with non-ameriKKKan
responses and diatribes.
Let's try and keep the hypocrisy to a minimum. If you want
to "keep this ideological crap off the list" then don't
contribute to it by using terms like "ameriKKKan."
4:47 p.m.
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Then why not say KKKanadian?
To a racist message it seems apropos. Hypocrisy is
denying the obvious and affirming the other. Like it or not
the KKK is part of US history and I will shamefully admit
part of Canadian as well. Nuff said.
Lawrence
On 17 Feb 2003, , Wayne M. Smith wrote:
to
"keep
Let's keep this ideological crap off the list and then I
don't have to further the OTism with non-ameriKKKan
responses and diatribes.
Let's try and keep the hypocrisy to a minimum. If you want this ideological crap off the list" then
don't contribute to it by
using terms like "ameriKKKan."
lgwalker@ mts.net
4:59 p.m.
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Then why not say KKKanadian?
>
> To a racist message it seems apropos. Hypocrisy is
> denying the obvious and affirming the other. Like it or not
> the KKK is part of US history and I will shamefully admit
> part of Canadian as well. Nuff said.
I thought the KKK was a US-only thing. It just doesn't seem
to go with Canadian sensibility.
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7:08 p.m.
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Bleeeechhk. Eat shxx and die.
Dogs and jackals like to feed off of offal.
On 17 Feb 2003, , Wayne M. Smith wrote:
Then why not say KKKanadian?
>
> To a racist message it seems apropos. Hypocrisy is
> denying the obvious and affirming the other. Like it or
> not the KKK is part of US history and I will shamefully
> admit part of Canadian as well. Nuff said.
>
> Lawrence
>
> On 17 Feb 2003, , Wayne M. Smith wrote:
>
> > > Let's keep this ideological crap off the list and
> > > then I
> > > don't have to further the OTism with non-ameriKKKan
> > > responses and diatribes.
> > >
> > Let's try and keep the hypocrisy to a minimum. If you
> > want
> to "keep
> > this ideological crap off the list" then don't
> > contribute to it by using terms like "ameriKKKan."
>
>
> lgwalker@ mts.net
lgwalker@ mts.net
3:06 p.m.
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Eric Dittman blathered:
Well, it would be a good idea to get the oil out of
the hands
of the Arabs since they are using the profits to finance
terrorism.
Yes, those damned dirty A-rabs. We all know for a fact that they use
the profits to finance terrorism because Colin Powell showed us a pretty
graphic that proved it. All those people who have doubts are just stupid.
We all know a good A-rab is a dead A-rab. Fuck them. Let's go in there
and take their precious oil from them so they can never use the profits
to finance terrorism anymore. That'll end all terrorism forever and ever
and we can live happily ever after guzzling all the free oil we want.
Eric, you ROCK!!!
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4:44 p.m.
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Well, it would
be a good idea to get the oil out of the hands
of the Arabs since they are using the profits to finance
terrorism.
Yes, those damned dirty A-rabs. We all know for a fact that they use
the profits to finance terrorism because Colin Powell showed us a pretty
graphic that proved it. All those people who have doubts are just stupid.
We all know a good A-rab is a dead A-rab. Fuck them. Let's go in there
and take their precious oil from them so they can never use the profits
to finance terrorism anymore. That'll end all terrorism forever and ever
and we can live happily ever after guzzling all the free oil we want.
Eric, you ROCK!!!
6:28 a.m.
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Well Canada is nearby and would welcome him. The
hysteria here hasn't quite reached the ame fever pitch.
I of course, would be quite happy to handle custody of
his collection. :^) .
But, as Bob Dylan's song went, times they are a-
changing, so maybe not just yet.
Lawrence
On 17 Feb 2003, , Hans Franke wrote:
lgwalker@ mts.net
Hey Sellam,
> Most of the hikackers on 9/11 were Saudi Arabian
> nationals. The Saudis are the Uncle Tom's of the Arab
> world.
Is that where you're from?
I whish, so we have a reason to push him out of the country
an confiscate his collection for good :)
Gruss
H.
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Quothe Lawrence Walker, from writings of Mon, Feb 17, 2003 at 02:29:42PM -0600:
Well Canada is nearby and would welcome him. The
hysteria here hasn't quite reached the ame fever pitch.
I of course, would be quite happy to handle custody of
his collection. :^) .
So would a lot of other people... and that would cause another war,
just what we need, World War ClassicCmp. Imagine someone flying a
fleet of remote control lawn chairs, attached to lots of helium-filled
over-sized beach balls, carrying loads of unwanted '386 PCs, and
dropping them on some of the enemies en route to Sellam's collection.
That's just on of the many scenarios that I can picture. Hmmm... ya
know, that presents an interesting idea for 4th of July celebrations
involving the transport of hot tar through the air and convertables
being driven in the parades transporting politicians...
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On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, R. D. Davis wrote:
So would a lot of other people... and that would cause
another war,
just what we need, World War ClassicCmp. Imagine someone flying a
fleet of remote control lawn chairs, attached to lots of helium-filled
over-sized beach balls, carrying loads of unwanted '386 PCs, and
dropping them on some of the enemies en route to Sellam's collection.
But if you drop HP disk drives, instead, then your "ammo" will be reusable
indefinitely.
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