18 Feb
2003
18 Feb
'03
4:53 a.m.
We had several Victor 9000's. They ran CP/M and a proprietary MS-DOS. They
had built-in codec. They actually predated the IBM PC back in 1980. They
were the best available computers at the time, when the TRS-80 was
prevalent on the market. My dad still may have one on his closet shelf. I
threw mine away when I bought my first PC clone, a 4mhz, 4 mb ram 386SX.
18 Feb
18 Feb
5:59 a.m.
On Tuesday 18 February 2003 01:37, Bob Gaddis wrote:
We had several Victor 9000's. They ran CP/M and a
proprietary MS-DOS. They
had built-in codec. They actually predated the IBM PC back in 1980. They
were the best available computers at the time, when the TRS-80 was
prevalent on the market. My dad still may have one on his closet shelf. I
threw mine away when I bought my first PC clone, a 4mhz, 4 mb ram 386SX.
Where are these located?
7:06 a.m.
We had several Victor 9000's. They ran CP/M and a
proprietary MS-DOS. They
had built-in codec. They actually predated the IBM PC back in 1980. They
Strange machines, particularly the disk controller, which uses GCR
encoding, and not suprisingly, is similar to the one in a Commodore 8050.
They also have a number of interesting undocumented features. The
'Centronics' port actually uses GPIB driver chips, and could be turned
into a full GPIB port with the right cable and software. There's also a
user port inside on a 50 pin header, with an almost completely unused
6522 VIA to drive it. And of course the sound input connector inside.
were the best available computers at the time, when
the TRS-80 was
Dubious claim. In 1980, there were graphics workstations (PERQ 1a,
certainly), VAXen, supercomputers, etc...
-tony
5:22 p.m.
> We had several Victor 9000's. They ran CP/M
and a proprietary MS-DOS. They
> had built-in codec. They actually predated the IBM PC back in 1980. They
Strange machines, particularly the disk controller,
which uses GCR
encoding, and not suprisingly, is similar to the one in a Commodore 8050.
They also have a number of interesting undocumented features. The
'Centronics' port actually uses GPIB driver chips, and could be turned
into a full GPIB port with the right cable and software. There's also a
user port inside on a 50 pin header, with an almost completely unused
6522 VIA to drive it. And of course the sound input connector inside.
I'd say, they where machines build without any management
involved - at least without so called controllers.
> were the best available computers at the time,
when the TRS-80 was
Dubious claim. In 1980, there were graphics
workstations (PERQ 1a,
certainly), VAXen, supercomputers, etc...
Aren't you talking a different class now? For 1980, the Victor
was realy top notch at an afordable price.
Gruss
H.
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19 Feb
19 Feb
9:45 a.m.
> were the
best available computers at the time, when the TRS-80 was
Dubious claim. In 1980, there were graphics
workstations (PERQ 1a,
certainly), VAXen, supercomputers, etc...
Aren't you talking a different class now? For 1980, the Victor was realy top notch at an afordable price.
-tony
10:08 a.m.
We had several Victor 9000's. They ran CP/M and a
proprietary MS-DOS. They
had built-in codec. They actually predated the IBM PC back in 1980. They
WHEN did the Victor 9000 come out?
I doubt that it was available in 1980, and certainly NOT with MS-DOS, nor
CP/M-86.
The most authoritative sites that I can find say 1982, which is consistent
with my experience.
The IBM PC was August 1981, although it was hard to get until 1982.
The Victor certainly did NOT have MS-DOS before the IBM PC. Microsoft's
deal with IBM did not let them release it to others until the launch of
the PC. And then, Microsoft could not sell it as a retail product (only
through OEMs) for 10 years - MS-DOS V5.00 marks the end of that NCA.
4:12 p.m.
> We had several Victor 9000's. They ran CP/M
and a proprietary MS-DOS. They
> had built-in codec. They actually predated the IBM PC back in 1980. They
WHEN did the Victor 9000 come out?
I doubt that it was available in 1980, and certainly NOT with MS-DOS, nor
CP/M-86.
It was CP/M-86 in the beginning, but they adopted MS-DOS quite
fast. Still, at least for some time, CP/M was the mostly used OS.
(and beeing serious, MS-DOS 1.0 didn't offer any advantage after
all.
Gruss
H.
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20 Feb
20 Feb
2:59 a.m.
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Hans Franke wrote:
It's my recollection (from past discussions) that the Victor 9000 came out
before the PC (earlier in the year in 1981) and, as Hans states, MS DOS
was adapted to it after the fact. It did not end up being PC compatible,
but MS-DOS compatible.
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> We had
several Victor 9000's. They ran CP/M and a proprietary MS-DOS. They
> had built-in codec. They actually predated the IBM PC back in 1980. They
WHEN did the Victor 9000 come out?
I doubt that it was available in 1980, and certainly NOT with MS-DOS, nor
CP/M-86.
It was CP/M-86 in the beginning, but they adopted MS-DOS quite
fast. Still, at least for some time, CP/M was the mostly used OS.
(and beeing serious, MS-DOS 1.0 didn't offer any advantage after
all.
9:25 a.m.
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
WHEN did the Victor 9000 (Sirius) come out?
A Quick Google search of "CP/M-86 history Victor 9000" turns up a lot of
Commodore history sites that say that the Vioctor was released "SOMETIME"
in 1982.
Is there ANY documentation anywhere of when it actually came out?
(We do know that the PC was announced in August 1981)
> > We
had several Victor 9000's. They ran CP/M and a proprietary MS-DOS. They
> > had built-in codec. They actually predated the IBM PC back in 1980. They
> WHEN did the Victor 9000 come out?
> I doubt that it was available in 1980, and certainly NOT with MS-DOS, nor
> CP/M-86.
It's my recollection (from past discussions) that the Victor
9000 came out
before the PC (earlier in the year in 1981) and, as Hans states, MS DOS
was adapted to it after the fact. It did not end up being PC compatible,
but MS-DOS compatible.
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