2 Jul
2010
2 Jul
'10
10:47 a.m.
I have an old 286 computer i use for tasks that won't run on a newer maching... My old
printer is dead and when trying to connect a new printer it doesn't work...? What can
i do to get the newer printers like lexmark to go with the old 286 HP VECTRA???? TNX
2 Jul
2 Jul
11:04 a.m.
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Robert Laag wrote:
I have an old 286 computer i use for tasks that
won't run on a newer
maching... My old printer is dead and when trying to connect a new
printer it doesn't work... What can i do to get the newer printers
like lexmark to go with the old 286 HP VECTRA??? TNX
Lotsa luck. Many of those types of printers use drivers which moved the
processing from the printer to the computer, thus making them much cheaper.
You'd be better served finding a working LJIII or other printer that
would be the same vintage as your computer and connecting that.
Barry
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11:39 a.m.
New printers use a bidirectional printer port, does the 286 allow that (old
machines were not bi directional, and you might need to set that option in
the BIOS).
No idea if the new printers have anything besides USB, or if they emulate
the old HP laserjets anymore.
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Robert Laag wrote:
I have an old 286 computer i use for tasks that
won't run on a newer
maching... My old printer is dead and when trying to connect a new
printer it doesn't work... What can i do to get the newer printers
like lexmark to go with the old 286 HP VECTRA??? TNX
Lotsa luck. Many of those types of printers use drivers which moved the
processing from the printer to the computer, thus making them much
cheaper.
You'd be better served finding a working LJIII or other printer that
would be the same vintage as your computer and connecting that.
Barry
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11:47 a.m.
Teo Zenios wrote:
New printers use a bidirectional printer port, does
the 286 allow that
(old machines were not bi directional, and you might need to set that
option in the BIOS).
I don't know if not being bi-directional stopped printers working, I
think you just got better performance if it was bidirectional.
No idea if the new printers have anything besides USB,
or if they
emulate the old HP laserjets anymore.
It's a shame really that the USB->Printer protocol, is a closed paid for
standard, as it should be really simple to use a USB enabled
microcontroler to sit on the paralell port and interface it to a USB
printer.
Cheers.
Phill.
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Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !
"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.
11:59 a.m.
It's a shame really that the USB->Printer
protocol, is a closed paid for
standard, as it should be really simple to use a USB enabled
microcontroler to sit on the paralell port and interface it to a USB
printer.
You know, I really did prefer it when the printer manual included a
pinout and timing diagram for the (Centronics-ish) interface. There was
no problme driving that from anything I wanted to use with it...
I really wonder how USB has 'improved' things for the likes of us :-)
-tony
2 Jul
2 Jul
11:59 a.m.
On 7/2/10 2:39 PM, Teo Zenios wrote:
New printers use a bidirectional printer port, does
the 286 allow that
(old machines were not bi directional, and you might need to set that
option in the BIOS).
No idea if the new printers have anything besides USB, or if they
emulate the old HP laserjets anymore.
Most HP laser printers still speak PCL. The serious ones speak
Postscript as well.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Port Charlotte, FL
1:15 p.m.
On 2 Jul 2010 at 14:04, Barry L. Kline wrote:
Lotsa luck. Many of those types of printers use
drivers which moved
the processing from the printer to the computer, thus making them much
cheaper.
Indeed. Even the ones that explicitly state that they support PCL or
Postscript often do so only through a driver that does all of the
interpretation.
Perhaps one of the Xerox Phaser printers might offer something along
the lines of what you're looking for. I've got a DocuPrint N2825
here that I've driven with MS-DOS.
There are bidirectional ECP/EPP cards for the ISA bus kicking around,
so bidirectionality shouldn't be an issue.
--Chuck
3:55 p.m.
On 02/07/10 21:15, Chuck Guzis wrote:
Indeed. Even the ones that explicitly state that they
support PCL or
Postscript often do so only through a driver that does all of the
interpretation.
I disagree.
Most of the Kyocera laser printers speak PCL and PostScript (or rather
Kyocera's implementation of PostScript, a.k.a. KPDL). The FS-C5200dn
sitting next to me most certainly does, because I've catted LaTeX
"dvips" PostScript output to it via netcat. Mainly because CUPS was
playing silly gits.
Disadvantage is that it's USB/LAN only. No Centronics port, but it
speaks most of the major networking protocols (even stuff like Netware...)
An LJ3 or LJ4 is probably the best option, though -- those things are
built like tanks.
--
Phil.
classiccmp at philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/
4:13 p.m.
On 2 Jul 2010 at 23:55, Philip Pemberton wrote:
Disadvantage is that it's USB/LAN only. No
Centronics port, but it
speaks most of the major networking protocols (even stuff like
Netware...)
And this is practical (i.e. drivers are available) to run from a 286,
probably running in 16-bit real mode?
Chuck
4:16 p.m.
Philip Pemberton wrote:
An LJ3 or LJ4 is probably the best option, though --
those things are
built like tanks.
Some of them weigh almost as much as tanks too, as anyone who's ever
moved a 3Si/4Si can attest.....
Cheers.
Phill.
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Phill Harvey-Smith, Programmer, Hardware hacker, and general eccentric !
"You can twist perceptions, but reality won't budge" -- Rush.
10:34 p.m.
On Friday, July 02, 2010, Phill Harvey-Smith wrote:
Philip Pemberton wrote:
The people working the mail room at the dorm I lived in while a
sophomore at Purdue were not too happy when I had a 4si shipped to me.
Apparently, it was "too heavy" or something.
Pat
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The Computer Refuge --- http://computer-refuge.org
An LJ3 or LJ4 is probably the best option, though
-- those things
are
built like tanks.
Some of them weigh almost as much as tanks too, as anyone who's ever
moved a 3Si/4Si can attest..... 
1:46 p.m.
Hi Robert I have a working Laserjet-2 that I used on my old 286 machine back in
the day I'll sell you for $100 + shipping if you're interested.
Lee Courtney
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Subject: Conecting new printer to a 286
I have an old 286 computer i use for tasks that won't run on a newer maching...
My old printer is dead and when trying to connect a new printer it doesn't
work... What can i do to get the newer printers like lexmark to go with the old
286 HP VECTRA??? TNX
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