I loved working on Netframes - they were just sooooooooooo cool looking. It was a bit of a pain to setup the SPX consoles in the beginning, but once you got the hang of it, they were great. Yeah, I think you're right, Dell picked them up, essentially dropped most of the design, used a few pieces of the core architecture and did their Powerframe or Poweredge servers which were so cheaply made and so flimsy, you could never ever even move a live server on its casters, the box would shift and a board would also lose contact and the whole server would freeze up. Curt Al Hartman wrote: