30 May
2004
30 May
'04
12:22 p.m.
I think Selectrics are pretty cool;
I'd kinda like one I could use as a printer,
and if it could be a full serial tty that would
be even cooler.
So far, I've found that IBM made the 1050 and the 2741 selectric-based console
terminals, both of which were large, heavy, and not very reliable.
Did IBM ever do any better, like say a serial module for a selectric III?
I know some of the Wheelwriter typewriters had serial ports,
but the golf ball type elements are just too much cooler.
I found some web pages that talk about Trendata ttys based on selectrics,
but very little hard info; anyone here know anything about them?
I also remember the ByteWriter and similar contraptions that strapped a
bunch of solenoids on top of a typewriter keyboard, but while
entertainingly kludgy, that lacks a certain degree of elegance.
--akb
31 May
31 May
5:38 a.m.
On Sunday 30 May 2004 19:22, Andrew K. Bressen wrote:
I think Selectrics are pretty cool;
I'd kinda like one I could use as a printer,
and if it could be a full serial tty that would
be even cooler.
So far, I've found that IBM made the 1050 and the 2741
selectric-based console terminals, both of which were large, heavy,
and not very reliable.
IBM also made another, that a seller on ebay was selling some of a month
ago when I bought one, he might have more, you might want to ask him.
Here's the auction I won:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3810203578
I haven't yet had time to play with the thing, but hopefully should get
a lot of time back in a bit over a week..
The terminal isn't like most "standard" terminals, in that each key
sense/relay comes out via the cable on the back, which needs to be
hooked into an external serial "converter" box or somthing.
Pat
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6:09 a.m.
General electric Computer Department used selectrics on the systems they
produced....
always looking for anything GE related....
ed sharpe archivist for smecc
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From: "Patrick Finnegan" <pat(a)computer-refuge.org>
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Subject: Re: selectric consoles
On Sunday 30 May 2004 19:22, Andrew K. Bressen wrote:
I think Selectrics are pretty cool;
I'd kinda like one I could use as a printer,
and if it could be a full serial tty that would
be even cooler.
So far, I've found that IBM made the 1050 and the 2741
selectric-based console terminals, both of which were large, heavy,
and not very reliable.
IBM also made another, that a seller on ebay was selling some of a month
ago when I bought one, he might have more, you might want to ask him.
Here's the auction I won:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3810203578
I haven't yet had time to play with the thing, but hopefully should get
a lot of time back in a bit over a week..
The terminal isn't like most "standard" terminals, in that each key
sense/relay comes out via the cable on the back, which needs to be
hooked into an external serial "converter" box or somthing.
Pat
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7:44 a.m.
New subject: NS DS8881N datasheet anyone
Hi,
while hunting for DEC 8881 I come across a few (20) vacuum fluorescent
display drivers DS8881N. Now I am looking for a datasheet for them.
TIA
Gerold
8:13 a.m.
New subject: NS DS8881N datasheet anyone
Hi,
while hunting for DEC 8881 I come across a few (20) vacuum fluorescent
display drivers DS8881N. Now I am looking for a datasheet for them.
There's description, and a PDF datasheet available for download at
http://www.ee.und.ac.za/DataCDs/NationalSemiconductor/Docs/wcd00015/wcd0156…
Vince
8:36 p.m.
New subject: NS DS8881N datasheet anyone
Thanks for the link.
If someone needs one or a few, just ask.
I will keep three of them.
The rest (17) are for anybody who wants them.
Gerold
vrs schrieb:
Hi,
while hunting for DEC 8881 I come across a few (20) vacuum fluorescent
display drivers DS8881N. Now I am looking for a datasheet for them.
There's description, and a PDF datasheet available for download at
http://www.ee.und.ac.za/DataCDs/NationalSemiconductor/Docs/wcd00015/wcd0156…
Vince 
7:09 a.m.
I think Selectrics are pretty cool; I'd kinda like
one I could use as a
printer,
and if it could be a full serial tty that would be even cooler.
I have one, sold by a company called Datal (that's an L), that I know
nothing about; almost certainly not in working order and not a high
priority for me. Will pass to the original poster (or failing that, anyone
else) for shipping+15%.
--
Kevin Schoedel
schoedel(a)kw.igs.net
7:42 a.m.
as I recall datel was a maker of terminal devices....
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To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: selectric consoles
I think
Selectrics are pretty cool; I'd kinda like one I could use as a
printer,
and if it could be a full serial tty that would be even cooler.
I have one, sold by a company called Datal (that's an L), that I know
nothing about; almost certainly not in working order and not a high
priority for me. Will pass to the original poster (or failing that, anyone
else) for shipping+15%.
--
Kevin Schoedel
schoedel(a)kw.igs.net
10:39 a.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
In the local Goodwill this morning, there was a large General Electric
printer/terminal(?) stand out front in the weekend dropoff area. It stood
about three feet high, had a keyboard, with a printer behind it and a data
cassette holder in the upper right console area which also had rocker
switches on it. Sorry for the bad description but I was in a rush.
The thing looked in perfect condition, similar to a teletype machine I had
seen once, although the keys didn't look like teletype keys. The cassette
part intrigued me but I didn't have time to examine it and I completely
forget what the name of the unit was. It was GE for sure.
Basically if anyone has interest in rescuing it, I will head back tomorrow
to fetch it. Otherwise does anyone know what it was, from my terrible
description?
Brian Mahoney
10:46 a.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
General Electric
terminet perhaps!
was it a kind of beige color?
if you open it up and it is a band type printer with character fingers this
is probably what it is....
I think they also made a later one that was dot matrix called a terminet
30?... foggy brain... sorry....
manuals are available out there for them, we have a set at the msueum here
but none scanned online...
Ge terminets and tty's were the first terminals I dealt in back in the dark
ages...
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<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:39 PM
Subject: general electric terminal?
In the local Goodwill this morning, there was a large
General Electric
printer/terminal(?) stand out front in the weekend dropoff area. It stood
about three feet high, had a keyboard, with a printer behind it and a data
cassette holder in the upper right console area which also had rocker
switches on it. Sorry for the bad description but I was in a rush.
The thing looked in perfect condition, similar to a teletype machine I had
seen once, although the keys didn't look like teletype keys. The cassette
part intrigued me but I didn't have time to examine it and I completely
forget what the name of the unit was. It was GE for sure.
Basically if anyone has interest in rescuing it, I will head back tomorrow
to fetch it. Otherwise does anyone know what it was, from my terrible
description?
Brian Mahoney
10:51 a.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
On Mon, 31 May 2004, Brian Mahoney wrote:
In the local Goodwill this morning, there was a large
General Electric
printer/terminal(?) stand out front in the weekend dropoff area. It stood
about three feet high, had a keyboard, with a printer behind it and a data
cassette holder in the upper right console area which also had rocker
switches on it. Sorry for the bad description but I was in a rush.
The thing looked in perfect condition, similar to a teletype machine I had
seen once, although the keys didn't look like teletype keys. The cassette
part intrigued me but I didn't have time to examine it and I completely
forget what the name of the unit was. It was GE for sure.
Basically if anyone has interest in rescuing it, I will head back tomorrow
to fetch it. Otherwise does anyone know what it was, from my terrible
description?
It definitely sounds like something worth rescuing. Someone somewhere
should want it. I'd want it if it were closer.
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11:58 a.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
the finger band units came as a terminet 300 and a 1200 denoting the baud
rate. nice as they had fully formed characters both upper and lower case.
if memory serves me correctly the 300 model A came out in late 60's early
70's
you will find them in many colors....
our hp 2000 f ( that became an access system ) had one with an hp paint
job and terminal number on it.
Honeywell also used them as console and terminal devices both for large
information systems and process control products.
the only units we have now are a couple Honeywell units terminet 1200 in the
white and black paint job.
alas the hp unit passed with the ages... probably to the same place the 2883
disk drive did for the 2000 system. If anyone has either of these units it
would be nice to at least have an example of them to display next to the hp
2000 here in the museum. to see what the 2000 system looks like and what
the drive looked like ( alas the terminet is not in the pic check towards
the bottom of www.smecc.org)
I owe a great debt to this product line, as in my first year of business
they made the money that really helped launch the company.
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
address:
coury house / smecc
5802 w palmaire ave
glendale az 85301
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From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: general electric terminal?
Festival
On Mon, 31 May 2004, Brian Mahoney wrote:
> In the local Goodwill this morning, there was a large General Electric
> printer/terminal(?) stand out front in the weekend dropoff area. It
stood
> about three feet high, had a keyboard, with a
printer behind it and a
data
> cassette holder in the upper right console area
which also had rocker
> switches on it. Sorry for the bad description but I was in a rush.
> The thing looked in perfect condition, similar to a teletype machine I
had
> seen once, although the keys didn't look like
teletype keys. The
cassette
> part intrigued me but I didn't have time to
examine it and I completely
> forget what the name of the unit was. It was GE for sure.
> Basically if anyone has interest in rescuing it, I will head back
tomorrow
to fetch it.
Otherwise does anyone know what it was, from my terrible
description?
It definitely sounds like something worth rescuing. Someone somewhere
should want it. I'd want it if it were closer.
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New subject: general electric terminal?
----- Original Message -----
From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
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Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: general electric terminal?
Festival
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I'll stop by tomorrow morning and see if it is still around. The thing
looked large and heavy and, given my present lack of space, large and heavy
things don't fit any more. I do have a shed though .... If it is reasonably
priced, I'll see if it fits in my station wagon. Might talk them into a
donation!
(Once inside the store this morning, I did pick up a "Reach no. AA Official
Indoor" baseball bat from probably the turn of the last century for 2 bucks.
Just in case anyone collects baseball memorabilia. )
bm
the finger band units came as a terminet 300 and a
1200 denoting the
baud
rate. nice as they had fully formed characters both
upper and lower case.
if memory serves me correctly the 300 model A came out in late 60's early
70's
you will find them in many colors....
our hp 2000 f ( that became an access system ) had one with an hp paint
job and terminal number on it.
Honeywell also used them as console and terminal devices both for large
information systems and process control products.
the only units we have now are a couple Honeywell units terminet 1200 in
the
white and black paint job.
alas the hp unit passed with the ages... probably to the same place the
2883
disk drive did for the 2000 system. If anyone has
either of these units it
would be nice to at least have an example of them to display next to the
hp
2000 here in the museum. to see what the 2000 system
looks like and what
the drive looked like ( alas the terminet is not in the pic check towards
the bottom of www.smecc.org)
I owe a great debt to this product line, as in my first year of
business
they made the money that really helped launch the
company.
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
address:
coury house / smecc
5802 w palmaire ave
glendale az 85301
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: general electric terminal?
completely
On Mon, 31 May 2004, Brian Mahoney wrote:
> In the local Goodwill this morning, there was a large General Electric
> printer/terminal(?) stand out front in the weekend dropoff area. It
stood
> about three feet high, had a keyboard, with
a printer behind it and a
data
> cassette holder in the upper right console
area which also had rocker
> switches on it. Sorry for the bad description but I was in a rush.
> The thing looked in perfect condition, similar to a teletype machine I
had
> seen once, although the keys didn't look
like teletype keys. The
cassette
> > part intrigued me but I didn't have time to examine it and I
> forget
what the name of the unit was. It was GE for sure.
> Basically if anyone has interest in rescuing it, I will head back
tomorrow
to fetch
it. Otherwise does anyone know what it was, from my terrible
description?
It definitely sounds like something worth rescuing. Someone somewhere
should want it. I'd want it if it were closer.
--
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>
1:32 p.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
go for it! it is worth chasing after! if it is the 300 or 1200 the
cassette works like a tty paper tape... very useful!
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
address:
coury house / smecc
5802 w palmaire ave
glendale az 85301
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Mahoney" <webhead(a)theantiquecomputer.com>
To: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>et>; "General Discussion: On-Topic
and
Off-Topic Posts" <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: general electric terminal?
it
what
Electric
terrible
Festival
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heavy
----- Original Message -----
From: "ed sharpe" <esharpe(a)uswest.net>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: general electric terminal?
case.
the finger band units came as a terminet 300 and
a 1200 denoting the
baud
> rate. nice as they had fully formed characters both upper and lower > if memory serves me correctly the 300 model A
came out in late 60's
early
> 70's
>
> you will find them in many colors....
>
> our hp 2000 f ( that became an access system ) had one with an hp
paint
> job and terminal number on it.
>
> Honeywell also used them as console and terminal devices both for
large
information
systems and process control products.
the only units we have now are a couple Honeywell units terminet 1200 in
the
white and black paint job.
alas the hp unit passed with the ages... probably to the same place the
2883
> disk drive did for the 2000 system. If anyone has either of these units would be nice
to at least have an example of them to display next to the
hp
> 2000 here in the museum. to see what the 2000 system looks like and > the drive looked like ( alas the terminet is not
in the pic check
towards
the bottom of
www.smecc.org)
I owe a great debt to this product line, as in my first year of
business
> they made the money that really helped launch the company.
>
> Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
>
> Please check our web site at
> http://www.smecc.org
> to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
> buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
>
> address:
>
> coury house / smecc
> 5802 w palmaire ave
> glendale az 85301
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
> <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 3:51 PM
> Subject: Re: general electric terminal?
>
>
> > On Mon, 31 May 2004, Brian Mahoney wrote:
> >
> > > In the local Goodwill this morning, there was a large General
> > > printer/terminal(?) stand out front in
the weekend dropoff area. It
> stood
> > > about three feet high, had a keyboard, with a printer behind it and
a
> data
> > > cassette holder in the upper right console area which also had
rocker
> > > switches on it. Sorry for the bad
description but I was in a rush.
> > > The thing looked in perfect condition, similar to a teletype machine
I
had
completely
> > > forget what the name of the unit was. It was GE for sure.
> > > Basically if anyone has interest in rescuing it, I will head back
> tomorrow
> > > to fetch it. Otherwise does anyone know what it was, from my
> seen once, although the keys didn't look
like teletype keys. The
cassette
> > part intrigued me but I didn't have time to examine it and I description?
It definitely sounds like something worth rescuing. Someone somewhere
should want it. I'd want it if it were closer.
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> things don't fit any more. I do have a shed though
.... If it is
reasonably
priced, I'll see if it fits in my station wagon.
Might talk them into a
donation!
(Once inside the store this morning, I did pick up a "Reach no. AA
Official
Indoor" baseball bat from probably the turn of
the last century for 2
bucks.
Just in case anyone collects baseball memorabilia. )
bm
4:47 p.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
On Mon, 31 May 2004, ed sharpe wrote:
go for it! it is worth chasing after! if it is the
300 or 1200 the
cassette works like a tty paper tape... very useful!
Brian,
Does it look anything like this?
http://siconic.com/ebay/ASR733-1.jpg
P.S. Please trim replies people!!
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5:05 p.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
On Mon, 31 May 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Mon, 31 May 2004, ed sharpe wrote:
Nope; it looks like
http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/terminet.html
that. It's the boxy-looking teleprinter against the brick wall near the
center of the picture.
Cheers
John
PS: "Everybody trim yer replies." Yeah, right.... If some folks on this
list had to pay for their 'Net service by the byte, like many of our
European respondents - you'd see a remarkably more polite buncha posting
habits...
PPS: Don't try to teach a pig to sing.... ;}
go for it! it is worth chasing after! if it is
the 300 or 1200 the
cassette works like a tty paper tape... very useful!
Brian,
Does it look anything like this?
5:37 p.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
yes.... but I am not sure that cassette unit next to it is the stock GE
unit......
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
address:
coury house / smecc
5802 w palmaire ave
glendale az 85301
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Lawson" <jpl15(a)panix.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 10:05 PM
Subject: Re: general electric terminal?
On Mon, 31 May 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
On Mon, 31 May 2004, ed sharpe wrote:
Nope; it looks like
http://www.columbia.edu/acis/history/terminet.html
that. It's the boxy-looking teleprinter against the brick wall near the
center of the picture.
Cheers
John
PS: "Everybody trim yer replies." Yeah, right.... If some folks on this
list had to pay for their 'Net service by the byte, like many of our
European respondents - you'd see a remarkably more polite buncha posting
habits...
PPS: Don't try to teach a pig to sing.... ;}
go for it! it is worth chasing after! if it is
the 300 or 1200 the
cassette works like a tty paper tape... very useful!
Brian,
Does it look anything like this?
5:59 p.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
On Mon, 31 May 2004, ed sharpe wrote:
yes.... but I am not sure that cassette unit next to
it is the stock GE
unit......
Yup - it looks just like the three that came with the -30s that I had.
Wish I still had them - one worked well, the other had dead logic and was
a parts donor - I even ponied up the $75 that GE wanted for the Service
Manual. I gave them away during a major move - but that was more thna 20
years ago.
Cheers
John
Extensive ridiculous multiple unedited reply threads
SNIPPED.
1 Jun
1 Jun
12:19 a.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
John sed--
Yup - it looks just like the three that came with
the -30s that I had.
Wish I still had them - one worked well, the other had dead logic and was
a parts donor - I even ponied up the $75 that GE wanted for the Service
Manual. I gave them away during a major move - but that was more thna 20
years ago.
I still have the manual here for the ICL badged variant-they called them
Termiprinters. Think there's a couple of the answerback units here somewhere
as well- an interesting diode array programmed thing.
I 'processed' about 20 of the RO versions of them back in the 80s -think
there were about 15 good ones went out the door after a major parts swapout
exercise! They made a really unique and instantly recognisable sound when
printing.
Freight would probably be a killer as the manual is quite thick and heavy,
but it's here (in NZ) if anyone wants it.
And I never did find any of those displays, Tony--but that doesn't mean I
won't--eventually!
Dave Brown
Christchurch, NZ
5:47 a.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
Hi,
"Dave Brown" <tractorb(a)ihug.co.nz> said:
I still have the manual here for the ICL badged
variant-they called them
Termiprinters.
I had the manual for that variant too. Unfortunately all I have left is
the binder, the manual went about 20yrs ago when no-one was interested
in keeping such things. We used to have a termiprinter that clattered
away in the corner of the office - to everyones annoyance! They're
not suited to an office environment :-)
--
Cheers,
Stan Barr stanb(a)dial.pipex.com
The future was never like this!
6:37 a.m.
New subject: Terminet30 - Actually, it looks like this !(was general electric terminal?)
The saga : I went back to Goodwill this morning and the Terminet30 was still
sitting in the same spot OUTSIDE the store in an alcove. I went in and asked
for a stealdeal but ended up 'donating' 20 bucks for it. Backed up my Saturn
wagon and found out why it was still sitting in the alcove. Must weigh 80
pounds.
The thing is in very good condition, no dents or dings or cracks that I can
see. Inside is very clean. Console, as you will see, is perfect. Keys still
have a very solid feel. Underneath the console there was a yellow tag that
said "do not use" so who knows what is wrong with it but it looks great.
I hefted it to my backyard shed, thank goodness for my kids' little red
wagon. There it sits with the console and tape unit removed. Nothing else
would come apart, the damn selectric on the top is where all the weight is I
think. No way of unplugging it from the stand.
It's in Scarborough. If anyone wants it they can have it for $21.60 Canadian
plus whatever shipping YOU can arrange. Or pick it up, I'll help you to the
car. Here are the pics I took of it :
follow the links from this one :
http://www.geocities.com/computercollectors/terminet1.jpg
numerically to this one :
http://www.geocities.com/computercollectors/terminet15.jpg
There are 15 shots of the unit. I should have taken one of the inside too.
Seriously, if no one wants it, what the hell do I do with it? I collect
portables! And what vintage is it? 60's? Later?
Brian Mahoney
10:39 a.m.
New subject: Terminet30 - Actually,
The saga : I went back to Goodwill this morning and the Terminet30 was still
sitting in the same spot OUTSIDE the store in an alcove. I went in and asked
for a stealdeal but ended up 'donating' 20 bucks for it. Backed up my Saturn
I think I donated \pounds 10.00 to a charity for my first Termiprinter.
wagon and found out why it was still sitting in the
alcove. Must weigh 80
pounds.
They are not light :-)
The thing is in very good condition, no dents or dings
or cracks that I can
see. Inside is very clean. Console, as you will see, is perfect. Keys still
have a very solid feel. Underneath the console there was a yellow tag that
The keys are magnetically encoded. Each key rail has an I-core on it,
which couples to a U-core fitted throug the keyboard PCB when the key is
pressed. There's a drive line that loops through each U-core, and lines
for each bit and their inverse, which loop or don't loop through each
U-core as appropriate (For each bit, either the normal or inverted line
loops trhough each core). Pressing a key induces pulses in the appropiate
output lines.
That keyboard has one of the nicest feels of anything I have ever used.
said "do not use" so who knows what is wrong
with it but it looks great.
I hefted it to my backyard shed, thank goodness for my kids' little red
wagon. There it sits with the console and tape unit removed. Nothing else
would come apart, the damn selectric on the top is where all the weight is I
The ICL Termiprinters do come apart, but it's quite a long job.... I have
had to do it on occasion...
-tony
5:11 p.m.
New subject: Terminet30 - Actually,
just do not pound something hard on the terminet keys as they will break the
little ferrite... forgot the 30 had those type,,, they were also that way on
the 300 and 1200!
congrats, enjoy it!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony Duell" <ard(a)p850ug1.demon.co.uk>
To: <cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: Terminet30 - Actually,
can
>
> The saga : I went back to Goodwill this morning and the Terminet30 was
still
> sitting in the same spot OUTSIDE the store in an
alcove. I went in and
asked
> for a stealdeal but ended up 'donating'
20 bucks for it. Backed up my
Saturn
I think I donated \pounds 10.00 to a charity for my first Termiprinter.
> wagon and found out why it was still sitting in the alcove. Must weigh
80
pounds.
They are not light :-)
> The thing is in very good condition, no dents or dings or cracks that I > see. Inside is very clean. Console, as you will
see, is perfect. Keys
still
> have a very solid feel. Underneath the console
there was a yellow tag
that
The keys are magnetically encoded. Each key rail has an I-core on it,
which couples to a U-core fitted throug the keyboard PCB when the key is
pressed. There's a drive line that loops through each U-core, and lines
for each bit and their inverse, which loop or don't loop through each
U-core as appropriate (For each bit, either the normal or inverted line
loops trhough each core). Pressing a key induces pulses in the appropiate
output lines.
That keyboard has one of the nicest feels of anything I have ever used.
> said "do not use" so who knows what is wrong with it but it looks great.
> I hefted it to my backyard shed, thank goodness for my kids' little red
> wagon. There it sits with the console and tape unit removed. Nothing
else
> would come apart, the damn selectric on the top
is where all the weight
is I
The ICL Termiprinters do come apart, but it's quite a long job.... I have
had to do it on occasion...
-tony
10:55 a.m.
New subject: Terminet30 - Actually, it looks like this !(was general electric terminal?)
Not the TermiNet 30 I thought it was - this one is (gasp!) Dot Matrix!!
A much newer unit, tho the "Cassette Pod" looks about the same.
Damn - look how hefty that printhead assembly is... made for many
millions of pages, I'm thinkin'.
For $20 - it might be fun to hook up to the (serial) port of one of your
machines and see if you can print to it. OF course you've got to do the
RS-232 gyrations...
This is a much different printing mechanism than we have been
describing. I wonder if it still uses the same Hall Effect switch keyboard
- as you said, it's very positive with not a lot of keytravel, and it
'clacks' as you type.
Thanks for the photos, and for rescuing the old girl. Let's hope
*somebody* here near you wants it...
Cheers
John
1:10 p.m.
New subject: Terminet30 - Actually, it looks like this !(was general electric terminal?)
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Lawson" <jpl15(a)panix.com>
Thanks for the photos, and for rescuing the old girl. Let's hope
*somebody* here near you wants it...
Cheers
John
I'll take a pic of the innards on the base if that is of interest. You know
I can almost, and I say almost, see myself heading down that slippery slope
to collecting the older larger units that everyone else does. However, when
you mention something like the RS-232 gyrations, I am lost. Hell, I never
even used a null-modem cable.
Question: What the heck did this thing hook up to when it was in someone's
home? There are a couple of pictures out there of people playing 'animal' on
this unit or one like it. So it hooked up to a modem?
bm
11:38 a.m.
New subject: Terminet30 - Actually, it looks like this !(was general electric terminal?)
On Tue, 2004-06-01 at 11:37, Brian Mahoney wrote:
The saga : I went back to Goodwill this morning and
the Terminet30 was still
sitting in the same spot OUTSIDE the store in an alcove. I went in and asked
for a stealdeal but ended up 'donating' 20 bucks for it. Backed up my Saturn
wagon and found out why it was still sitting in the alcove. Must weigh 80
pounds.
://www.geocities.com/computercollectors/terminet1.jpg
Oh that's not the one I recall... mine was black, metal, wrinkle paint
maybe. Had the picket-fence print mechanism, it was RO, no keyboard.
10:30 a.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
I still have the manual here for the ICL badged
variant-they called them
Termiprinters. Think there's a couple of the answerback units here somewhere
I still have 2 of the ICL Termiprinters (currently a 118 column KSR and a
75 column RO, they started off life the other way round :-)) and the
so-called servive manual. The latter is fairly useless, it doesn't
include schemaitcs, and it's even incomplete on the mechanical side (I
rememebr stripping the hammer bank to cure some problem, looking in the
manual to see how to adjust it, only to be told 'The hammer bank cannot
be repaired in the field' or words to that effect. Oh well)
as well- an interesting diode array programmed thing.
Neither of mine have the answerback card.
-tony
31 May
31 May
7:16 p.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, John Lawson wrote:
PPS: Don't try to teach a pig to sing.... ;}
They taught Babe to sing in that cute little movie. I figure with enough
prodding we can get some of these uncouth CC list folks to realize their
obnoxious ways and TRIM THEIR GAWD DAMN REPLIES!!!
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8:43 a.m.
New subject: OT Re: general electric terminal?
> PPS: Don't try to teach a pig to sing....
;}
On Tue, 1 Jun 2004, Vintage Computer Festival wrote:
They taught Babe to sing in that cute little movie. I
figure with enough
prodding we can get some of these uncouth CC list folks to realize their
obnoxious ways and TRIM THEIR GAWD DAMN REPLIES!!!
Not really. Milli Vanilli did the singing, and Babe just lip synched
31 May
31 May
5:38 p.m.
New subject: general electric terminal?
http://siconic.com/ebay/ASR733-1.jpg
is a ti silent 733
Thanks Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
Please check our web site at
http://www.smecc.org
to see other engineering fields, communications and computation stuff we
buy, and by all means when in Arizona drop in and see us.
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glendale az 85301
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf(a)siconic.com>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
<cctalk(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: general electric terminal?
On Mon, 31 May 2004, ed sharpe wrote:
go for it! it is worth chasing after! if it is
the 300 or 1200 the
cassette works like a tty paper tape... very useful!
Brian,
Does it look anything like this?
http://siconic.com/ebay/ASR733-1.jpg
P.S. Please trim replies people!!
--
1 Jun
1 Jun
2:21 a.m.
>>>> "Andrew" == Andrew K Bressen
<akb+lists.cctech(a)imap1.mirror.to> writes:
Andrew> I think Selectrics are pretty cool; I'd kinda like one I
Andrew> could use as a printer, and if it could be a full serial tty
Andrew> that would be even cooler.
Andrew> So far, I've found that IBM made the 1050 and the 2741
Andrew> selectric-based console terminals, both of which were large,
Andrew> heavy, and not very reliable.
I would describe them as modest in size, fairly heavy but not
outrageously so, and extremely reliable. They were also quite a lot
faster than teletypes.
I don't think I ever saw a selectric console fail, while Model 33s
died regularly. (Then again, that made sense, because 33s are rated
"intermittent use", they aren't supposed to be used 24 hours a day as
so often happened in timesharing shops.)
If you want sturdy, there's the Flexowriter, or (perhaps -- I have no
real experience with these) the Teletype model 35. Both of those are
bigger and heavier than a Selectric, and the 35 certainly is slower.
paul
3:36 a.m.
On Sun, 2004-05-30 at 17:22, Andrew K. Bressen wrote:
I think Selectrics are pretty cool;
I'd kinda like one I could use as a printer,
and if it could be a full serial tty that would
be even cooler.
So far, I've found that IBM made the 1050 and the 2741 selectric-based console
terminals, both of which were large, heavy, and not very reliable.
The 1052 console terminal was the largest of the ilk and was used in
heavy duty applications (such as the console terminal for 360's). The
2741 was used in lighter duty applications (such as hardcopy terminals
in terminal rooms).
I don't know about them *not* being very reliable. I used a 1052 as the
terminal for a custom microcomputer I did in the mid-70s. I was rugged
as hell. It also required a fair amount of dealing with
(tilt-and-rotate codes anyone?) since there was no controller with it so
I had to build an interface to deal with the individual pick relays.
I don't expect you'd find a serial version of anything other than some
of the 2741's. Then it might not even be ASCII (IBM was EBCDIC at the
time).
Did IBM ever do any better, like say a serial module for a selectric III?
I know some of the Wheelwriter typewriters had serial ports,
but the golf ball type elements are just too much cooler.
I found some web pages that talk about Trendata ttys based on selectrics,
but very little hard info; anyone here know anything about them?
I also remember the ByteWriter and similar contraptions that strapped a
bunch of solenoids on top of a typewriter keyboard, but while
entertainingly kludgy, that lacks a certain degree of elegance.
--akb
--
TTFN - Guy
3:40 a.m.
>>>> "Guy" == Guy Sotomayor
<ggs(a)shiresoft.com> writes:
Guy> I don't expect you'd find a serial version of anything other
Guy> than some of the 2741's. Then it might not even be ASCII (IBM
Guy> was EBCDIC at the time).
Not EBCDIC either, I believe. I remember DEC OS support for the 2741,
with several different translate tables for "Correspondence code".
You had to know the exact code used by your particular machine to get
it to work right.
paul
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