On 2015-04-11 16:26, Noel Chiappa wrote:
From: Pete
Turnbull
Are you confusing it with a KDJ11-A ... But this
is a KDJ11-B
Nope. Have several of both (IYWR, it was my looking at my various M8190's
that led me to the conclusion that all M8190's, no matter the version, can
do PMI).
As far as I know, that is correct.
Basically what
makes the difference is whether it's using PMI memory or
QBus memory. ... If you change the config to not use PMI, an 11/83
becomes an 11/73.
After thinking about this for a while, the terminology does now make sense to
me, if it's applied to _systems_, not _boards_.
Yes.
An 11/73 is a _system_ with no PMI memory usage (one
can of course plug PMI
memory into a system with an M8192, but that won't make it use it, i.e.
become an 11/83). An 11/83 is a _system_ with PMI memory in use (an M8190,
plus PMI memory).
Right.
But I still think of the _cards_ as either an
'11/73 CPU' (M8192) or
'11/83-84 CPU' (M8190).
I understand that, but it don't really make sense, as the M8190 can
exist both in an 11/73 and an 11/83 (and also the 11/84).
The '11-83/84' part does lead to an
interesting question: what do we call a
_system_ with an M8190, a KTJ11 (M8191), and no PMI memory, only regular QBUS
memory? (Not sure if this will work... but it should, I'll try it soon and
see. Also, this part is for fun, not serious!)
Should not work, as far as I know.
The CPU bus on an 11/84 is always PMI. It is not a Qbus.
Analogizing to the 73/83 distinction, one might say
that it's not an 84, but
a '74'... but that number is already taken! :-)
Right. Apart from the fact that you cannot put Qbus memory in an 11/84.
However, you could put Unibus memory on the system, I think. But it will
not be that usable, as it will only exist in the 18-bit address space.
Johnny
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