On Sun, 7 Mar 1999, Jay West wrote: Good question. Did the Jacquard Loom (circa 1805?) come before player pianos? If so then I believe punched cards came first, and were adopted for use by Hollerith in his census tabulating machines. I don't know when punched tape came into regular use for computers specifically. I do know that Konrad Zuse's (pronounced tzoo-zay) Z1 (or was it the Z3?) used punched 35mm film recycled from his local movie theater. This is circa 1937. Sellam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't rub the lamp if you don't want the genie to come out. Coming in 1999: Vintage Computer Festival 3.0 See http://www.vintage.org/vcf for details! [Last web site update: 02/15/99]