10 Mar
2006
10 Mar
'06
4:43 a.m.
What are the various options available for getting disk images onto media that
an Apple ][ can read?
Seems like there might be a few ways of doing this, involving both original
hardware, later Apple hardware, and modern PCs with a Disk ][ drive grafted on...
Experiences / references anyone?
cheers
Jules
10 Mar
10 Mar
5:44 a.m.
Am 10 Mar 2006 12:43 meinte Jules Richardson:
What are the various options available for getting
disk images onto media that
an Apple ][ can read?
Seems like there might be a few ways of doing this,
involving both original
hardware, later Apple hardware, and modern PCs with a Disk ][ drive grafted on...
Experiences / references anyone?
Well, depends what Apple you need to get the data on.
My suggestions from most easy downto would be:
1. If you got an A2gs with a 1.44 drive running GSOS,
then just put it on a DOS floppy (mind 8.3)
2. If you got any Apple with a 3.5" drive (and usualy
running ProDOS then) get your data via DOS Floppy,
or Network onto an 68k Mac (some PowerMac will also
do the trick) and copy them onto a ProDOS disk. (*1)
3. For any Apple with a SSC or CC, plus any generic
PC-Box running DOS, a Null-Modem cable and ADT
(Apple Disk Transfer - just do a google search)
will do the trick. There's also a MacOS version.
4. Write your own little reciveing programm for the II
(should be possible with some basic) and do a
COPY file>COM1: on your PC.
5. Just type it in on the Apple, using a Hex-Editor :)
*G*
As for hardware, there have been some solutions. First
to my memory is always the Turnover board, which I found
a good (some particulat list member might have a different
opinion:) solution back when I had a PC/XT and an Apple II.
I did all programm development for the PC in Turbo-Pascal
on my beloved Apple, and then just recompiled it on the PC.
Just, the Turnover is a strict PX or PC/XT board. I never
got it working in an AT (or above) machine.
Then there is Matchpoint card, but it also requires an
8-Bit PC and a real (read 40 Track) PC-Drive, as with the
Apple Turnover.
Oh, and don't forget the Trackstar Board(s), basicly an
Apple II or IIe on a PC-Card, a huge IC-Graveyard. It can
(of course) connect A2 drives and transfer data from and
to the PC. In fact, you may use Apple II utilities to do
all copying. Again, you need a classic PC or AT Bus. But
at least it works on 486 machines (if you keep the bus
clock at less tna 7 MHz)
Furthermore there's a software called Disk-to-FDI (or such)
from a French guy, that allows Commodore (Amiga and
C64) and
Apple (3,5") drives via a parallel port to a modern PC - I
have never used it, but heard some good reviews about.
What you definitly need is ShrinkIt for the PC, and maybe
FID (do not confuse with the IFD from Dosk disks), a PC
utility to manage .DSK imiges of 5.25" Disks.
Gruss
H.
*1 - I found that a LC III (or if you want to do more
a 475) is the best companion for your Apple II.
For one it can be easy connected via Appletalk,
second it can read/write ProDOS disks and store
ProDOS disk images on a hard drive, making it an
ideal archive system for your II, and third it
can house a IIe card to allow to test and run
some (most) A2 soft directly. Extreme helpful
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5:24 p.m.
On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Hans Franke wrote:
As for hardware, there have been some solutions. First
to my memory is always the Turnover board, which I found
a good (some particulat list member might have a different
opinion:) solution back when I had a PC/XT and an Apple II.
IFF you find a working one (high failure rate), and IF you find
a drive that it works OK with (I used TM100-2), then the Turnover
is OK. File system support is Apple-DOS, Apple CP/M, Apple Pascal,
Pro-DOs.
(BTW, it was "Apple Turnover" until Apple's lawyers visited Vertex.)
Just, the Turnover is a strict PX or PC/XT board. I
never
got it working in an AT (or above) machine.
I did, but not reliably.
Oh, and don't forget the Trackstar Board(s),
basicly an
Apple II or IIe on a PC-Card, a huge IC-Graveyard. It can
and the QuadLink from
Quadram (> 70% DOA)
14 Mar
14 Mar
5:45 a.m.
New subject: Apple Turnover (Was: Writing Apple ][ disk images...)
Am 10 Mar 2006 17:24 meinte Fred Cisin:
Interesting.
Never heared of. You got any further information?
Hans
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Hans Franke wrote:
> As for hardware, there have been some solutions. First
> to my memory is always the Turnover board, which I found
> a good (some particulat list member might have a different
> opinion:) solution back when I had a PC/XT and an Apple II.
IFF you find a working one (high failure rate), and IF
you find
a drive that it works OK with (I used TM100-2), then the Turnover
is OK. File system support is Apple-DOS, Apple CP/M, Apple Pascal,
Pro-DOs.
(BTW, it was "Apple Turnover" until Apple's lawyers visited Vertex.)
Jup, we had this discusion at one time. I's just that I
got that board as part of a test for a computer magazin
back tehn, plugged in my PC compatible taiwan box (well,
one of the very first 1000% rip off, and even not much
cheaper than the IBM), and it worked right away. I wrote
a quite enthusiastic review ... so maybe blame me for some
sales over here in Germany/Austria :))
Just, the
Turnover is a strict PX or PC/XT board. I never
got it working in an AT (or above) machine.
I did, but not reliably. Oh, and
don't forget the Trackstar Board(s), basicly an
Apple II or IIe on a PC-Card, a huge IC-Graveyard. It can
and the QuadLink from
Quadram (> 70% DOA)
10 Mar
10 Mar
5:56 a.m.
Oops, forgot two mor important informations. For the Transfer-Hitlist,
before writing your worn stuff, there are two more levels:
3.1 Use Kermit on both sides ... still the best all across communications
solution of all times.
3.2 Use your favoured terminal programm on the A2 and Hyperterm on the PC
Side. Classic 300 Baud will always work, but I've heard about some
experience, that even speeds up to 19,2 shpould be possible - but
200 is way more classic ...
Hardwarewise, I forgot to mention that the Apple IIe Card for all LC-Type
Macs (where virtual memory is possible) not only brings soome tools for
Mac-OS, but also allows (via a Y-cable) to attach original A2 drives,
includeing the Platinum 5.25 Drive.
Gruss
H.
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6:07 a.m.
Hans Franke wrote:
Oops, forgot two mor important informations. For the
Transfer-Hitlist,
before writing your worn stuff, there are two more levels:
3.1 Use Kermit on both sides ... still the best all across communications
solution of all times.
3.2 Use your favoured terminal programm on the A2 and Hyperterm on the PC
Side. Classic 300 Baud will always work, but I've heard about some
experience, that even speeds up to 19,2 shpould be possible - but
200 is way more classic ...
Presumably that's only good for getting files onto a floppy at the A2 end -
not writing a raw disk image to a floppy?
That's the bit I was pondering over, as there seem to be various file transfer
mechanisms about, but things are a little less clear when it comes to writing
raw images (presumably with ADT the clue's in the name and that's designed for
raw images rather than individual files...)
I don't *think* we have access to a A2gs, so it's looking like ADT's the way
to go...
cheers
J.
6:34 a.m.
Am 10 Mar 2006 14:07 meinte Jules Richardson:
That's the bit I was pondering over, as there seem
to be various file transfer
mechanisms about, but things are a little less clear when it comes to writing
raw images (presumably with ADT the clue's in the name and that's designed for
raw images rather than individual files...)
I don't *think* we have access to a A2gs, so
it's looking like ADT's the way
to go...
Shure, ADT is quite widespread, allas I still prefer using an
68k Mac (or even better the LC plus the IIe Board). Less hassle.
And best of all: No PC involved :))
Gruss
H.
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