10 Jun
2000
10 Jun
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8:18 a.m.
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From: Cameron Kaiser <ckaiser(a)oa.ptloma.edu>
To: classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: AppleTalk on the hoof
Date: Saturday, June 10, 2000 12:01 PM
Think the SE/30 itself could handle it? If I downloaded the software to
another Mac and took the disks over to the SE/30, would it be able to do
the ProDOS transfer? It is old enough :-) I don't have DD disks here, but
I can get some.
The SE/30 can handle 800K disks with no problems (unless someone changed
the drive...). You will need Disk Copy 4.2 to create the disks.
Can ProDOS speak AppleTalk? That's the main reason
for my interest in
GS/OS. If ProDOS can access an AppleTalk server, then I don't really care
about GS/OS. How much memory does v6 require?
I have an Apple II Workstation Card that will let my Apple IIe, using
ProDOS 8, talk to ASFS. It is possible, but I have not done it yet myself.
Someday I will set up an AppleShare server for my Apple IIs but I simply
have not done it yet.
This is ASFS v2. Where can I get v3? (Yup, it does
take over the whole
machine :-)
See the following site for information on ASFS v3:
http://lowendmac.com/tech/appleshare3.shtml.
I do not know where to get it. I just missed it once on Usenet; by the
time I contacted the owner it was already gone. It had version 2 and 3
with all the disks and manuals, too.
For more help, try Usenet at comp.sys.apple2. That's where I learned most
of what I know about networking Apple IIs.
Paul R. Santa-Maria
Ann Arbor, Michigan USA
paulrsm(a)ameritech.net
10 Jun
10 Jun
9:32 a.m.
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Paul R. Santa-Maria wrote:
The SE/30 can handle 800K disks with no problems
(unless someone changed
the drive...). You will need Disk Copy 4.2 to create the disks.
I'm pretty sure it's just a ROM limitation, as the SE/30 uses the exact
same floppy drive as the later IIci and others which can't read or write
the older GCR-type disks. I forget now the list of which Macs can and
cannot do this, but ISTR the SE/30 was very close to being the last, if
not itself the last.
I personally used my SE/30 to generate the required GS/OS disks from
Apple's Disk Copy images, so it does work.
ok
r.
10:39 a.m.
::I personally used my SE/30 to generate the required GS/OS disks from
::Apple's Disk Copy images, so it does work.
Okay, I'll give it a shot. Where can I get Disk Copy 4.2 from? Is this
on the Apple FTP site?
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4:44 p.m.
On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
::I personally used my SE/30 to generate the required
GS/OS disks from
::Apple's Disk Copy images, so it does work.
Okay, I'll give it a shot. Where can I get Disk Copy 4.2 from? Is this
on the Apple FTP site?
Yes, though 4.2 is several revisions behind. If Apple's FTP site doesn't
have 4.2 availble, and the current software won't do the job (it at least
runs on an SE/30), let me know and I may have a copy archived somewhere.
ok
r.
11 Jun
11 Jun
2:41 p.m.
"r. 'bear' stricklin" <red(a)bears.org> wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's just a ROM limitation, as
the SE/30 uses the exact
same floppy drive as the later IIci and others which can't read or write
the older GCR-type disks.
Huh? My IIci reads and writes 400K and 800K GCR disks with no problems
whatsoever. As does my SE/30.
12 Jun
12 Jun
10:37 a.m.
On 11 Jun 2000, Eric Smith wrote:
"r. 'bear' stricklin"
<red(a)bears.org> wrote:
Huh, indeed. I must have misremembered the list. PowerMacs certainly won't
do it, and I was pretty sure that most, if not all, of the '90s Macs
wouldn't either.
I'll have to see if I can remember where I read that and refresh my
memory.
ok
r.
I'm pretty sure it's just a ROM
limitation, as the SE/30 uses the exact
same floppy drive as the later IIci and others which can't read or write
the older GCR-type disks.
Huh? My IIci reads and writes 400K and 800K GCR disks with no problems
whatsoever. As does my SE/30. 
11:21 a.m.
Huh, indeed. I must have misremembered the list.
PowerMacs certainly won't
do it, and I was pretty sure that most, if not all, of the '90s Macs
wouldn't either.
PowerMac's just plain have problems with floppies. Last October I needed to
read all my Mac floppies in and make disk images. I set up a 68k based Mac
to do it, the speed difference is amazing. One would think the PowerMac
would always be faster than a 68k Mac, but when it comes to reading or
writing floppies you're best off using a 68k Mac if you've got any amount to
do!
Of course the reason I was making the disk images is so I could put them on
CD-R, as my G4/450 didn't come with a floppy.
Zane
8:44 p.m.
I wrote:
Huh? My IIci reads and writes 400K and 800K GCR disks
with no problems
whatsoever. As does my SE/30.
"r. 'bear' stricklin" <red(a)bears.org> wrote:
Huh, indeed. I must have misremembered the list.
PowerMacs certainly won't
do it, and I was pretty sure that most, if not all, of the '90s Macs
wouldn't either.
In that regard, the IIci is only barely a '90s Mac. IIRC it came out +/-
three months of when the SE/30 did.
But I think all 68k-based Macs except very early and perhaps very late ones
could handle 800K. Certainly all of the Quadras and Centrises that I've used
had no problem with it, but I didn't ever have occasion to use the last
few 68K models.
Cheers,
Eric
13 Jun
13 Jun
10:01 a.m.
On 13 Jun 2000, Eric Smith wrote:
But I think all 68k-based Macs except very early and
perhaps very late ones
could handle 800K. Certainly all of the Quadras and Centrises that I've used
had no problem with it, but I didn't ever have occasion to use the last
few 68K models.
I wonder if it's specifically the 400k disks that there is a problem
with? You wrote that your IIci worked fine with 400k disks, which is still
more than I had thought, but I wonder if a Quadra would handle a 400k
disk. My Mac collection jumps from a IIsi to a PM8500, with nothing in
between, so I can't try it myself.
ok
r.
2:45 p.m.
"r. 'bear' stricklin" <red(a)bears.org> wrote:
I wonder if it's specifically the 400k disks that
there is a problem
with? You wrote that your IIci worked fine with 400k disks, which is still
more than I had thought, but I wonder if a Quadra would handle a 400k
disk. My Mac collection jumps from a IIsi to a PM8500, with nothing in
between, so I can't try it myself.
AFAIK, all Macs that can deal with 800K can deal with 400K, at least
as far as the physical format goes.
Recent versions of system software have dropped support for the MFS file
system. Normally 400K disks had MFS and 800K had HFS, although it was
possible to force other combinations.
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