10 Jun
1998
10 Jun
'98
12:45 p.m.
During my hiatus, I was spending alot of time on
usenet,
a place where this is done all the time.
Well no, it isn't done all the time. At least on the comp.sys, comp.os,
and alt.comp newsgroups I follow. It's considered spam and those who do
it are invited to go elsewhere. Besides, no point in listing that stuff
here if you are also going to ebay, the people here know the relative
scarcity/worth of the items. On ebay you can take advantage of
ignorance and buying frenzy.
Jack Peacock
10 Jun
10 Jun
12:18 p.m.
Jack Peacock wrote:
Man, you're telling me. Anybody else notice the $572 PET 2001? And
that auction isn't over yet... Does anyone think this sort of thing
will continue/escalate long-term? It's got me tempted to start
unloading things I'm kinda fond of simply because I have kids to put
through college somehow... Maybe it's best to do it now, if it's just
some kind of fad, then re-purchase at $5 later on when it's no longer
trendy... Decisions, decisions.
--
mor(a)crl.com
http://www.crl.com/~mor/
During my hiatus, I was spending alot of time on
usenet,
a place where this is done all the time.
Well no, it isn't done all the time. At least on the comp.sys, comp.os,
and alt.comp newsgroups I follow. It's considered spam and those who do
it are invited to go elsewhere. Besides, no point in listing that stuff
here if you are also going to ebay, the people here know the relative
scarcity/worth of the items. On ebay you can take advantage of
ignorance and buying frenzy. 
1:26 p.m.
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Greg Troutman wrote:
Man, you're telling me. Anybody else notice the
$572 PET 2001? And
Or the $1500 Lisa 2? That one went from $300 to $1500 in one bid, but it
only takes one sucker, err, collector.
that auction isn't over yet... Does anyone think
this sort of thing
will continue/escalate long-term? It's got me tempted to start
unloading things I'm kinda fond of simply because I have kids to put
through college somehow... Maybe it's best to do it now, if it's just
some kind of fad, then re-purchase at $5 later on when it's no longer
trendy... Decisions, decisions.
Prices will only go up. Online auctions are still in the early adoption
phase, and they're not making any new Old Computers, so supply continues
to go down while demand goes up. You'll be able to retire on your
Sinclair ZX-81 at this rate.
-- Doug
2:19 p.m.
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Doug Yowza wrote:
Or the $1500 Lisa 2? That one went from $300 to $1500
in one bid, but it
only takes one sucker, err, collector.
Follow this one up. If it wasn't a joke bid, then the joke's on the dope
who bought it.
Prices will only go up. Online auctions are still in
the early adoption
phase, and they're not making any new Old Computers, so supply continues
to go down while demand goes up. You'll be able to retire on your
Sinclair ZX-81 at this rate.
One could only hope. But I question your assertion of supply going down.
I predict that supply could in fact go up! As people get word that morons
are buying up old computers like they were gold, all the old Apple ][s and
PETs and SYM-1s and what-not will be dug out of the closet/attic/cellar
and thrown up for bid. There are still plenty of computers out there.
Only some can be classified as truly rare, but nobody knows this for sure.
The very definition of "speculation"as it relates to collecting.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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11 Jun
11 Jun
2:03 a.m.
Sam Ismail wrote:
There's no doubt this has been happening on eBay. More and more older
computers are being listed with descriptions like "Collectors Look!
Antique Computer!!!" Then you read the description and the sellers say
things like, "We're not sure what this is and we have no way to test it,
but surely some collector will be interested..." Gee, how about a test
where you plug it in and turn it on?
--
mor(a)crl.com
http://www.crl.com/~mor/
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Doug Yowza wrote:
Prices will
only go up. Online auctions are still in the early adoption
phase, and they're not making any new Old Computers, so supply continues
to go down while demand goes up. You'll be able to retire on your
Sinclair ZX-81 at this rate.
One could only hope. But I question your assertion of supply going down.
I predict that supply could in fact go up! As people get word that morons
are buying up old computers like they were gold, all the old Apple ][s and
PETs and SYM-1s and what-not will be dug out of the closet/attic/cellar
and thrown up for bid. There are still plenty of computers out there.
Only some can be classified as truly rare, but nobody knows this for sure.
The very definition of "speculation"as it relates to collecting. 
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12:45 p.m.
Tony Duell wrote:
I wasn't referring to anything extraordinary. To the average
high-volume junk peddler on eBay, an Apple IIc has become a "Rare
Collectible Antique Computer!!!" and a TRS-80 Model 1 is now officially
"The First Computer Ever!"
--
mor(a)crl.com
http://www.crl.com/~mor/
There's no doubt this has been happening on
eBay. More and more older
computers are being listed with descriptions like "Collectors Look!
Antique Computer!!!" Then you read the description and the sellers say
things like, "We're not sure what this is and we have no way to test it,
but surely some collector will be interested..." Gee, how about a test
where you plug it in and turn it on?
No, Bad, Bad idea...
I'd much rather have something that's untested (and which I've got a fair
chance of repairing) than something that was damaged by being switched on
without checking PSUs, fans, etc first. Admittedly this is more of a
problem for old radios than old computers, but anyway.
10 Jun
10 Jun
1:57 p.m.
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Greg Troutman wrote:
Man, you're telling me. Anybody else notice the
$572 PET 2001? And
that auction isn't over yet... Does anyone think this sort of thing
will continue/escalate long-term? It's got me tempted to start
Its hard to say. This trend may yet peak. I am at a loss to explain the
sudden fascination with collecting old computers like they were baseball
cards or comic books. I predicted (and it wasn't an original prediction
for sure) a year ago that eventually the speculators would turn on this
market, but its happened a lot sooner than I expected.
I hope this sudden interest is good for me in terms of more attendees for
the Vintage Computer Festivals, but I would hope they are coming to hear
the speakers as opposed to just wanting to add that elusive beanie baby to
their collection.
unloading things I'm kinda fond of simply because
I have kids to put
through college somehow... Maybe it's best to do it now, if it's just
some kind of fad, then re-purchase at $5 later on when it's no longer
trendy... Decisions, decisions.
I will unabashedly take advantage of this bizarre craze by cashing in some
parts of my collection on the online auctions in order to fund this year's
VCF. While I won't be auctioning off any SYM-1's or Altairs, I hope the
fad lasts long enough to make a few bucks off a TRS-80 Model 1, an Apple
///, and other halfway decent stuff.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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11:10 a.m.
On Thu, 11 Jun 1998, Tony Duell wrote:
If someone on this list gets a rare machine, then (in
general), he knows
how to look after it. To back up the disks and (if possible) the EPROMS
and PALs. To check things over before powering up for the first time.
But a speculator could find a one-of-a-kind machine, not know what it
really is (other than an investment), and the machine could be lost to
bit-rot. And that bothers me.
I wouldn't worry about this being a problem. The speculators so far have
tended to stick with the popular names (IMSAI, Altair, PET, etc.) They
wouldn't know what to do with something called a PERQ, and probably
wouldn't want to touch a huge Philips P850, confusing it for an electrical
distribution panel or something. Small and liquid is their mainstay,
since that sells the easiest. Of course, some farmers in Montana recently
auctioned a complete dinosaur skeleton to the highest bidder, so its not
like it couldn't happen. But I would tend to think (and would hope) that
an IBM 1401 would be passed up in favor of an Apple Lisa 2 by the unsavvy
speculator should the two ever turn up next to each other at a flea market
or whatnot.
Before I was seriously into old computers, I used to
fiddle about with
valve radios. Most of the fun was getting an old set from a friend who
was clearing out the attic or buying one for a few pence and a jumble
sale, and then fiddling with it, repairing it, and getting it to work
again. I lost interested rather when the prices of these old sets went
through the roof. I still fiddle with them, and I still have my box of
valves and a valve tester, but...
Well, the same is happening with computers. But you can still find the
stuff out there, you just have to ask around and always be looking.
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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1:55 p.m.
Greg wrote:
Does anyone think this sort of thing will continue/escalate long-term?
I don't think it's a fad. Vintage computers are collectible and, like any
collectible, will usually only increase in value (except for my 1400 mint
copies of Howard The Duck comic, but that's another story). Computers have
all the criteria to make them desirable collectibles - coolness, nostalgia
value, and scarcity (since most old computers were considered useless and
therefore scrapped). There is also the additional factor that those for
whom they provide a hit of nostalgia are now successful programmers and
others in the high-tech biz who often have more disposable income than
search time and are therefore willing to pay the price to get what they
want when they want it. I predict that the market will escalate rapidly
over the next five years. If you have the space, I would strongly suggest
not only holding on to your collection, even the stuff you consider common,
but grabbing anything you can for the next couple of years.
Of course, thats just MHO. On the other hand, I bought vintage photographs
in the sixties when they were going for next-to-nothing and cleaned up in
the eighties.
Anybody want to buy some Howard The Duck comics?
R.
BTW - Another thought on the eBay prices - those of us who live in CA, NY,
MA and other areas where computers were common in the early days tend to
become somewhat jaded about all the stuff we find. In other areas, vintage
computers are almost non-existant. It's not so much a matter of ignorance,
but of availability that drives the prices up.
--
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12 Jun
12 Jun
10:57 a.m.
Greg wrote:
Does anyone think this sort of thing will continue/escalate long-term?
I don't think it's a fad. Vintage computers are collectible and, like any
collectible, will usually only increase in value (except for my 1400 mint
copies of Howard The Duck comic, but that's another story). Computers have
all the criteria to make them desirable collectibles - coolness, nostalgia
value, and scarcity (since most old computers were considered useless and
therefore scrapped). There is also the additional factor that those for
whom they provide a hit of nostalgia are now successful programmers and
others in the high-tech biz who often have more disposable income than
search time and are therefore willing to pay the price to get what they
want when they want it. I predict that the market will escalate rapidly
over the next five years. If you have the space, I would strongly suggest
not only holding on to your collection, even the stuff you consider common,
but grabbing anything you can for the next couple of years.
Of course, thats just MHO. On the other hand, I bought vintage photographs
in the sixties when they were going for next-to-nothing and cleaned up in
the eighties.
Anybody want to buy some Howard The Duck comics?
R.
OFF-TOPIC ALERT :::::
Loved Howard the Duck comics Hated what they did with the movie.
I'll likely get back to you on this.
BTW - Another thought on the eBay prices - those of us
who live in CA, NY,
MA and other areas where computers were common in the early days tend to
become somewhat jaded about all the stuff we find. In other areas, vintage
computers are almost non-existant. It's not so much a matter of ignorance,
but of availability that drives the prices up.
--
It is especially galling to us in low-availability areas when you guys post
about acquiring them by the pallet. : ^ {{
ciao larry
lwalker(a)interlog.com
3:30 p.m.
Lawrence Walker wrote:
Steve Gerber's work was generally excellent, the comic was better
than most PC compatibles in entertainment value. The movie wasn't
as bad as the reviews said, it beat the hell out out of the Sanyo
MBC-550. (Then again, I bought the comics one at a time, with the
intention of reading them, not investing -- yes, I knew _some_comics
gain value with time, I first studied a Bob Overstreet guide in 1967,
but since when does a teenager think of _investing_ in the
entertainment industry?
--
Ward Griffiths
They say that politics makes strange bedfellows.
Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else.
Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_
Greg wrote:
Does anyone think this sort of thing will continue/escalate long-term?
I don't think it's a fad. Vintage computers are collectible and, like any
collectible, will usually only increase in value (except for my 1400 mint
copies of Howard The Duck comic, but that's another story). Computers have
all the criteria to make them desirable collectibles - coolness, nostalgia
value, and scarcity (since most old computers were considered useless and
therefore scrapped). There is also the additional factor that those for
whom they provide a hit of nostalgia are now successful programmers and
others in the high-tech biz who often have more disposable income than
search time and are therefore willing to pay the price to get what they
want when they want it. I predict that the market will escalate rapidly
over the next five years. If you have the space, I would strongly suggest
not only holding on to your collection, even the stuff you consider common,
but grabbing anything you can for the next couple of years.
Of course, thats just MHO. On the other hand, I bought vintage photographs
in the sixties when they were going for next-to-nothing and cleaned up in
the eighties.
Anybody want to buy some Howard The Duck comics?
R.
OFF-TOPIC ALERT :::::
Loved Howard the Duck comics Hated what they did with the movie.
I'll likely get back to you on this.
4:08 p.m.
New subject: FW: DEC WT/78?
Can somebody help this budding DEC-head:
<<
Hugh Henderson <hendronicus(a)hotmail.com>
saginaw, MI USA - Friday, June 12, 1998 at 18:07:56
I rescued a Digital WT/78 word terminal with a Digital RX02 computer
attached.
It does try to boot, but I don't have the system disk. I'd sure love
to see the beast run.
If somebody knows anything about this computer, I hope you'll contact
me.
What does it run? What kind of processors does it use? It has network
and modem connections.
How do you use those, and what were they originally for?
As you see, I'm a pretty curious guy>:)
>
11:33 p.m.
New subject: FW: DEC WT/78?
Can somebody help this budding DEC-head:
<<
Hugh Henderson <hendronicus(a)hotmail.com>
saginaw, MI USA - Friday, June 12, 1998 at 18:07:56
I rescued a Digital WT/78 word terminal with a Digital RX02 computer
attached.
It does try to boot, but I don't have the system disk. I'd sure love
to see the beast run.
If somebody knows anything about this computer, I hope you'll contact
me.
What does it run? What kind of processors does it use? It has network
and modem connections.
How do you use those, and what were they originally for?
As you see, I'm a pretty curious guy>:)
>>
Neat find. A WT/78 also known as a VT78 (I think) was a PDP8 on a chip
inside a VT52 terminal. This machine runs (usually) DEC's WPS-8
word processing software which is quite nice (and also my favorite
word processor for document editing). I think it can also run
the other PDP8 based OS's... like OS/278 (which is the later OS/8
stuff updated to run on the Decmate II and III).
Bill
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13 Jun
7:35 a.m.
New subject: Apple IIc - Mint Condition for sale
http://www.voicenet.com/~generic
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The following items are all in original boxes with original
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look brand new as if they had never been used. All work
great and have been thoroughly tested. This is mint condition.
Apple IIc w/all software, manuals, cables, ps, box etc
Apple Color Composite Monitor w/manuals, box, cables etc
Apple II Monitor stand for above monitor
Apple II 5-1/4 external disk drive with manuals, etc
Archer Competition Joystick for Apple IIe/c & PC
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Chuck Yeager Advanced Flight Trainer box/doc
Creation - An animated writing program for Apple II series
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Apple II Appleworks Reference Manual
Appleworks Users Handbook
PinPoint Appleworks Desktop Accesories Users Guide & Tutorial
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15 Jun
9:55 a.m.
New subject: Backwater areas Was: Re: Cross listing Ebay items
At 22:57 12-06-98 +0000, "Lawrence Walker" <lwalker(a)mail.interlog.com>
wrote:
>
-- snip the somewhat unimportant stuff
--
It is especially galling to us in low-availability
areas when you guys post
about acquiring them by the pallet. : ^ {{
ciao larry
lwalker(a)interlog.com
Really galling! I live in NY. But the area is _Western_ NY -specifically
in a county considered to be one of the most agricultural/rural in the
state (more so than Ithaca area, Allison).
Yes, when I hear of folks here who go to the thrift stores and haul home a
carload or two for very reasonable prices or when a PDP 11/something system
complete w/disk packs, documents, etc. is available for hauling away, etc.,
etc. I have a hollow, lonesome feeling :-( .
The (only) local thrift is only 150 meters from my house. Their prices are
way high as compared to what some of the discussions here provide a picture
of. For example, last week I checked and saw a no-name monochrome monitor
priced at $40.00, a PS/2 color monitor at $25.00, and four pieces together:
a beat-up looking Apple III (missing a key in lower-left, missing case
screws, dirty, no power supply pack), Okidata 80 col. printer of some type
and two shoeboxes of loose and dusty 5.25" floppy disks of PC software all
for $40.00. They don't come down in price too much but someone is apparenly
buying this stuff. Sheesh! However, I am not into Apple, Commodore, Atari
and other of what I call 'Truly Home Computers' which usually turn up there.
"Sure ", you say, "just rent a truck or something to go fetch that S/370
system!" Well, I likely would if it was within say, 100-200 miles or so and
virtually free for the taking. But all joking aside, that doesn't happen
that much around here (besides, if W. Donzelli even sniffs a nearby-to-me
370's availability he'd probably be there in ten minutes or less <grin> )
I will rely on you folks to post interesting things available for sale
--but then shipping for a heavy object can kill a deal. Yes, please let all
of us on the list have first crack at something before putting it onto Ebay
or whatever.
On rare occasions I have gotten good items for my collection such as my DG
Nova 1200, HP 250/30, IBM 9370 and PC's and parts which were all
decommisioned from the company I work for. Thankfully, they know I'm a
collector/historian/old-stuff-nut. But we don't have much else intersting
left except for a few old PC's which I already have a garage-full (well,
almost. It's over half a garage-full.)
With that said, I must "collect" and learn old computer hardware and s/w
vicariously through most of you. So please make sure you continue to have
interesting and thoughtful (and OT :-) ) discussions on the old classics
which I may never have a chance to even see.
Thanks for listening.
--Chris
-- --
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Jamestown, NY USA
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
2:35 p.m.
New subject: Backwater areas Was: Re: Cross listing Ebay items
"Sure ", you say, "just rent a truck or
something to go fetch that S/370
system!" Well, I likely would if it was within say, 100-200 miles or so and
virtually free for the taking. But all joking aside, that doesn't happen
(besides, if W. Donzelli even sniffs a nearby-to-me
370's availability he'd probably be there in ten minutes or less <grin> )
Yes.
I would indeed travel quite some distance to pick up a S/370. I have
driven 1800 mile roundtrips (that's 900 each way) over a weekend to pick
up some non-computer goodies. In fact my first roadtrip, about four years
ago, involved me driving from Chicago to Rochester, NY (kind of your neck
of the woods) to pick up a 650 pound radio transmitter, all done in two
days.
So, my point (other than to boast!) is that even if something seems too
out of the way to get (especially the big stuff), some nuts on this list
would probably go to pick it up.
OK, how about a test...
Say a real goodie shows up, like a perfect DEC Straight-8 or an unbuilt
Altair kit. Assume the price is good, like $250 for either. Assume that
you have the time and a working car, plus a loved one that will not scream
too much. Assume that the current owner can not ship the thing. How many
miles would you go?
William Donzelli
william(a)ans.net
2:50 p.m.
New subject: Backwater areas Was: Re: Cross listing Ebay items
On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, William Donzelli wrote:
Say a real goodie shows up, like a perfect DEC
Straight-8 or an unbuilt
Altair kit. Assume the price is good, like $250 for either. Assume that
you have the time and a working car, plus a loved one that will not scream
too much. Assume that the current owner can not ship the thing. How many
miles would you go?
Assuming I was the only one who knew about it and who was going to know
about it? For an unbuilt Altair or a DEC straight-8? Well, first I'd
find out if I knew anyone in the seller's area who I could have go pick it
up, and if not, then I would check if I knew anyone who was going to be in
that area. If not, then I'd examine the prospects of someone I know
visiting that area in the next n months. If that didn't look good, and I
absolutely could not bribe the seller with any amount of money under $100
on top of the sale price to ship the thing, then I'd drive about 400 miles
or so.
I just got an ISIS development system this way. I'm in the Bay Area
(California), the ISIS is in Las Vegas. Its a 10 hour drive, and I hate
Vegas, so there's no way in hell I'm going to drive it. Shipping would
cost a bundle. The price is $75. I know that my older brother, who lives
in southern Cal, goes desert racing in the Vegas area at least once a
year, so I called him and found out his wife was going to be visiting
family in Las Vegas this last weekend. Also, I found out my little
brother, who lives in Sacramento and thus passes me by on the way to
SoCal, is going to be driving down to visit my older brother next
weekend. So my sister-in-law hauled the ISIS from Vegas to SoCal, my
little brother will be hauling it from SoCal to me.
As Hannibal of the A-Team used to say, "I love it when a plan comes
together."
Sam Alternate e-mail: dastar(a)siconic.com
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17 Jun
3:43 a.m.
New subject: Backwater areas Was: Re: Cross listing Ebay items
On Mon, 15 Jun 1998, William Donzelli wrote:
Been to Rochester often. My company was once a division of Bausch & Lomb
(an instrument division). I had to run up there often for meetings and
support of some equipment the Test Equipment Engineering dept. built for
our facility. B&L is where my DG Nova 1200 originally came from. They sent
it down as part of a hand-me-down piece of homemade printed circuit board
test equipment which never worked well. I rescued the 1200, paper tape
reader and associated test electronics rack from a pile of junk in an old
warehouse of ours before it hit the dumpster back in '81 or '82. Still run
up there three times a year at minimum for AWA board meetings and our AWA
National Conference every September.
"Sure ", you say, "just rent a
truck or something to go fetch that S/370
system!" Well, I likely would if it was within say, 100-200 miles or so and
virtually free for the taking. But all joking aside, that doesn't happen
(besides, if W. Donzelli even sniffs a nearby-to-me
370's availability he'd probably be there in ten minutes or less <grin> )
Yes.
I would indeed travel quite some distance to pick up a S/370. I have
driven 1800 mile roundtrips (that's 900 each way) over a weekend to pick
up some non-computer goodies. In fact my first roadtrip, about four years
ago, involved me driving from Chicago to Rochester, NY (kind of your neck
of the woods) to pick up a 650 pound radio transmitter, all done in two
days. So, my point (other than to boast!) is that even if
something seems too
out of the way to get (especially the big stuff), some nuts on this list
would probably go to pick it up.
OK, how about a test...
Say a real goodie shows up, like a perfect DEC Straight-8 or an unbuilt
Altair kit. Assume the price is good, like $250 for either. Assume that
you have the time and a working car, plus a loved one that will not scream
too much. Assume that the current owner can not ship the thing. How many
miles would you go?
Yeow! You know how to really hold my feet to the fire regarding this
hypothetical test William!
Yes, I would go possibly 300-400 miles (a day's drive) to fetch either of
those and the wife would possibly help too (Beverly appreciates my
collection of antique radios and would recognize the significance of either
of these hypothetical items after she learned what they are (or were) to
computing. Gotta keep costs down as we have a big mortgage and other
associated remodeling expenses for now.
Notice I said "hypothetical"! Fat chance in Hades for me (or many of us)
to luck onto one of those as you describe. Besides, I'd get trampled to
death by some of you other folks while on my way to pick them up because of
some unknown telepathic message entering your minds from parts unknown
because you had put up your internal, subconscious radar in dire search of
them and suddenly got a 'hit' ;)
Tho, if I found a free source of either a good disk/tape drive for my HP
250, all technical CE documents for the 250 and its components, VSE OS
manuals for my IBM 9370 (or even VM and AIX distribution tapes and
books!!!), Heath H11 OS distribution s/w with all documents or a Motorola
MVME167 VMEbus system running OS-9 version 2.4 or 3.x and all docs and the
owner(s) could not ship anything and it would soon be trashed then I would
certainly have little choice. These are on my hot-hot list (hint-hint :-) )
Then I would for sure hit the road -maybe with not so much of Beverly's
encouragement as we have a five-year-old son, but I'd sure give it a whack
for the 300-400 miles!
--Chris
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Christian Fandt, Electronic/Electrical Historian
Jamestown, NY USA
Member of Antique Wireless Association
URL: http://www.ggw.org/freenet/a/awa/
4:51 a.m.
New subject: Backwater areas Was: Re: Cross listing Ebay items
At 11:43 AM 6/17/98 -0400, you wrote:
Tho, if I found a free source of either a good disk/tape drive for my HP
250, all technical CE documents for the 250 and its components, <snip>
Christian,
What kind of disk drive does you 250 take? I have a big collection of
that kind of stuff, altough probably not THAT old.
Joe
16 Jun
16 Jun
5:37 a.m.
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8:53 a.m.
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[How far would you go for goodies?]
Soon as I can clear it, I'm heading to New York for some KS-10 parts...
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10 Jun
10 Jun
12:58 p.m.
New subject: Cross listing auction items
On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Jack Peacock wrote:
Well no, it isn't done all the time. At least on
the comp.sys, comp.os,
and alt.comp newsgroups I follow. It's considered spam and those who do
it are invited to go elsewhere. Besides, no point in listing that stuff
here if you are also going to ebay, the people here know the relative
scarcity/worth of the items. On ebay you can take advantage of
ignorance and buying frenzy.
Sure there is a point to cross-list it here or in a newsgroup: because
it's on-topic and somebody here, like me, might be interested in buying
it. I've found plenty of good bargains via online auctions, especially on
obscure stuff, but I don't especially enjoy "the hunt". I'd rather be
notified when there is something of interest to me.
The assumption here seems to be that Real Collectors(TM) hang out on this
list and know the value of stuff better than those posers that frequent
auctions. I'd suggest that the exact opposite is true. Whenever somebody
asks this list "how much is this thing worth", the answer is invariably
"whatever somebody is willing to pay". Basically, valuation of
collectibles is a democratic process not an analytical one belonging to
some exclusive domain of experts.
-- Doug
1:41 p.m.
Jack Peacock wrote:
Spam is generally considered to be unwanted and inappropriate postings.
I don't think such for-sale notices when they *directly* relate to what
this list is supposed to be all about could possibly be considered spam.
During my hiatus, I was spending alot of time on
usenet,
a place where this is done all the time.
Well no, it isn't done all the time. At least on the comp.sys,
comp.os,
and alt.comp newsgroups I follow. It's considered spam and those who
do
it are invited to go elsewhere. Besides, no point in listing that
stuff here if you are also going to ebay, the people here
know the relative
scarcity/worth of the items. On ebay you can take advantage of
ignorance and buying frenzy.
Or, you can choose not to find out what others consider the value of
these things to be. Thus ignorance can be expanded to include those who
should be aware of what others value these computers/etc. at. It is all
a matter of perspective :)!
8:58 p.m.
Marvin wrote:
Or, you can choose not to find out what others
consider the value of
these things to be. Thus ignorance can be expanded to include those who
should be aware of what others value these computers/etc. at. It is all
a matter of perspective :)!
Value is as value does. To me, online auctions are where stupid
people with computers go when they're not on IRC or up at the
corner store buying lottery tickets (gambling with a 50% house
percentage? Do the state legislators think I'm as stupid as they
are? Well, they know that most of the public is, it's how they
were elected).
--
Ward Griffiths
They say that politics makes strange bedfellows.
Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else.
Michael Flynn, _Rogue Star_
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