Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 22:45:21 -0700 (PDT) From: mann(a)pa.dec.com (Tim Mann) To: trs80(a)cs.ubc.ca cc: m.krause(a)tu-harburg.de, jens(a)siliconsonic.de, norb(a)kcbbs.gen.nz, kim(a)breeze.org Subject: Reading old floppies with Catweasel Here's something that should be of interest to folks who have old TRS-80 disks they'd like to read but are having trouble doing it with modern hardware. Actually, it could be of interest to folks with disks from obscure old CP/M systems and the like too. A small company in Germany makes a specialized PC ISA card that, with the proper software, allows any kind of floppy disk to be read (and maybe written, too). The company is called Individual Computers, and the card is called the Catweasel ISA. There are also Amiga versions. See the following URLs for information on the card and how to order one: http://www.jschoenfeld.com/, and http://members.tripod.com/~apd2/catweasl.htm. Catweasel cards were in short supply for a while, and I had some trouble getting a working unit, but I have one now. I've just written a program for it that can copy any TRS-80 disk (in fact, any disk written by a WD177x/179x floppy disk controller, or by any PC floppy disk controller) to the DMK format that's used by David Keil's TRS-80 emulator for MS-DOS and by my TRS-80 emulator (xtrs) for Unix. The program auto-detects FM (single density) vs. MFM (double or high density) encoding, even on disks that have some sectors of each on the same track, like dual-boot Model I/III disks. My program (called cw2dmk, at least for now) works both on Linux and on MS-DOS or Windows 95/98, and I'll be releasing it in source code form after I've cleaned it up a little more. It's partly based on the Catweasel driver for Linux (see http://www.tu-harburg.de/~semk2104/cwfloppy/) written by Michael Krause. His driver works only with MS-DOS and Amiga formats, and only in double or high density, but it's nice because it lets Linux treat the disks as having real file systems on them that the kernel supports. My program only lets you make a disk image that works with an emulator. The original driver is GPL'ed, so my program will be too. I've already used the program to copy about 50 single density and "copy protected" TRS-80 disks that I got from Kim Watt to DMK format, and they all seem to work on xtrs. Even weird stuff like original TRSDOS 2.x single density disks with FA data address marks on the directory (which even PC's that can otherwise handle single density don't seem to be able to read), and games that do a WD17xx Read Track command and look for specific data in the gaps as part of their copy protection, were easy to read and the images work on xtrs. I haven't tried the images on David Keil's emulator yet, but I don't expect problems -- maybe a few minor ones with games that do especially strange things with the floppy disk controller. I did have to fix a couple of minor emulation inaccuracies (well, bugs) in xtrs to make a couple of the games boot. 8" disks should even work, though I haven't plugged in my 8" drive yet. I had no problems reading a 5.25" high density (1.2MB) disk, which looks identical to 8" double density at the controller interface, so I think true 8" will probably work on the first try. The program seems to work well already, but there are two things I'd still like to add: (1) Automatically detecting the type of drive you're using and guessing the number of tracks (35, 40, or 80) and number of sides on the media -- right now you have to tell the program this using command-line options, and (2) Writing the older .DSK (or JV3) format that Matthew Reed and Jeff Vavasour's TRS-80 emulators require, when the disk is not so "protected" that it can't be represented in that format. Those shouldn't be too hard once I get my next burst of energy. I'm hoping a few other TRS-80 folks will buy Catweasel cards now that this program is available. I don't get a commission or anything. :-) If you do (or are thinking about it) and want a copy of cw2dmk before I get around to putting it up on my Web page, let me know. Tim Mann tim.mann(a)compaq.com http://www.tim-mann.org Compaq Computer Corporation, Systems Research Center, Palo Alto, CA Bob Brown Saved by grace Intranet Sysadmin Page: http://info1.harper.cc.il.us/~bbrown

4mm and 8mm are nothing but *SHORT TERM* storage. Plus, while it's not big problem with 8mm from what I've seen, with 4mm you'd best know what model drive that 4mm was written on! DLT's might cost an arm and a leg, but they're worth it if you're archiving data, and even they need to be refreshed. Zane | Zane H. Healy | UNIX Systems Adminstrator | | healyzh(a)aracnet.com (primary) | Linux Enthusiast | | healyzh(a)holonet.net (alternate) | Classic Computer Collector | +----------------------------------+----------------------------+ | Empire of the Petal Throne and Traveller Role Playing, | | and Zane's Computer Museum. | | http://www.aracnet.com/~healyzh/ |

Key point is to have a REAL plan with funds etc. earmarked on the 10 and 20 year plans for the data.

Is this really true or just another legend? I ask because many people also say that the old data the Census Bereau keeps in digital form is also decaying and partially unreadable. Basically, that is baloney. My Aunt, some sort of economic/urban planning big shot in a way I don't understand, says that it is untrue. In fact, she uses the old data from time to time. William Donzelli aw288(a)osfn.org

This is a foggy memory from the a trip to Houston, but isn't a lot of older data just printed text on paper?

"emanuel stiebler" <emu(a)ecubics.com> asks: Anchor Electronics in Santa Clara, CA. NOT the one in Biloxi, MS. I haven't found a web page for them. Check with directory assistance. In general you may have better luck searching for the 82C55, which is still being made.

In the case of NASA, I think it's true because some of the people I've heard it from are NASA employees. This doesn't constitute "proof", necessarily, but it seems somewhat credible. NASA collects one hell of a lot more data than the Census Bureau. In fact, they probably collect MANY hell of a lot mores. They still have data on 7-track tape. Well, actually they probably don't. But they do have the tapes.