I went over one weekend to visit my parents to find my dad had moved a milling machine and a metal lathe into the basement. I took one look at the stairs and asked how in hell did he get them down there? His response was a few friends along with the help of their good friend gravity! He predicted would not be so helpful some day when we had to figure out how to get them back out. Needless to say he died unexpectedly and I spent a "weekend to remember" involving block and tackle along with some long 2x10's and braces, getting them back up and out, so mom could sell the house. The moral of this story is, someday your loved ones will have to deal with your dead weight collections and gravity is only your friend going down stairs, dragging heavy hardware back up requires a lot more effort and structural strength to the stairs. So unless you want to hear your loved ones curse you in the grave, don't just pretend they will know what to do, leave with a valid exit strategy! Back under my rock.... My back is flaring up just thinking about it again :) Bob Bradlee On Fri, 04 May 2007 21:09:03 -0400, Douglas Taylor wrote: