On Tue, 11 Sep 2001, Chad Fernandez wrote: Obviously foreign. `McVeigh homeboys' are not inclined to offer up their own lives in such efforts as are the `foreignboys'. - don

Just a musing...what I don't get is what kind of people rejoice and celebrate over such a loss of life, regardless of how you might feel about the people involved? Jeff -- Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File http://www.cchaven.com http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757

Osama Bin Laden NEVER acknowledged any participation in any terrorist activity. He always declared terrorism towards US, Israel and the Western Allies as a supurb magnificent achievement and that Allah -praise be upon his great name- will most certainly reward the marters who couragiously offered their lives with a single ticket to heaven. Heaven, being the place where they will subsequently fuck all the heavenly females till their heads come off, this to be repeated until eternity. Osama, the clever rat that he is will NEVER aid his enemies by simply acknowledging a terrorist deed. He will only plan, finance and execute them and will leave everybody else in the dark by speaking in religious mumbo jumbo and strong religious praise of those who execute the dirty work. After all, the US might NUKE the Afghan valley that he hides in. Russia would in all likelyhood protest only mildly, they stilll have some unfinished business over there. Acknowlegement of terrorist deeds is a boastfull but pointless thing to do, best left to amateur terrorists! Some incapable terrorist faction will ultimately do the boasting but that's not to say that they really did execute it. For now there is no real proof of who executed this tragedy, so I could also put the blame with the extreme religious rightwing factions of the US. aka a few new Timothy McVeighs. But there are a few indications that this will not be the case: 1) They would at least have choosen the UN-building 2) Xian marters go to a boring heaven with no sex whatsoever. 3) You will never see more than a couple of them with the same plan. Sipke de Wal ---------------------------------------------------------- http://xgistor.ath.cx ---------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Erlacher <edick(a)idcomm.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: Re: World Trade crash... don't incorporating in been state

I was just being cynical. These kind of events do that to me! Sipke By the way: I didn't misspell my name! -------------------------------------------- http://xgistor.ath.cx -------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael L. Drew <mldrew(a)drewtech.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: Re: World Trade -- Acknowledgement ash!

That would only make the blackguard a martyr! Let the Taliban and subsequently the entire Islamic community suffer for a while then is in charge in Afghanistan, give him up in exchange for an aid package, like the Yougoslav's did with Milosevic, that will render both the man and his memory impotent. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael L. Drew" <mldrew(a)drewtech.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: World Trade -- Acknowledgement ash!

I wouldn't be so quick to bind the stupid, right-wing religious factions to the stupid, right-wing militia movement. The two have no particular regard for one another, though there may be considerable overlap. What they have in common is the low ratio of grey-cells per capita, and they feed on one another's lack of insight. Though I'm acquainted with quite a number of active evangelical Christians, I know nobody willing to acknowledge affiliation with the "religious right" wing. I also am, through my former involvement in shooting sports, acquainted with a number of weapons (gun-ownership-rights) activists, and none of them will admit to being, or knowing other who are, of the "religious right" wing. While we've recognized that they can't all be as dumb as they seem, it's odd that the religious right is always represented by some spokesman of not much more than room-temperature IQ. Pulling off a terrorist act such as what happened yesterday is not rocket science, though there are a number of details that have to be managed. However, buying knives isn't difficult, even if it's done over the web. Ordering plane tickets can be done that way also, as can reserving a car or two. Fortunately, with the aid of appropriate subpoenas, the law enforcement guys will have all the details in a few days. None of this stuff takes tons of money. I doubt that the whole operation cost the instigators/funders more than $50K. That Bin Laden thing of deny, deny, deny, never admitting, let alone claiming, responsibility for an attack is what's likely to cost him his support within the cultural base on which he relies. He buys the loyalties of poor, muslims by donating money to the families of suicide bombers and soldiers killed in actions against the Israelis and Americans. Faced with the potential punishment to be meted out by the Western powers once the originator of this most recent attack is discovered, they won't continue to be loyal followers. Once he's without that low-level support, he's done. Meanwhile, once presented with incontrovertible evidence that Bin Laden is, in fact, responsible for a terrorist act on this scale, I doubt the Taliban will be anxious to continue offering him aid and comfort, fearing the wrath of those who disapprove of such acts. They will endeavor to gain favor with the West by giving him up, as their only other option will be to suffer a terrible punishment. Though it's easily possible, and possibly warranted, it's not likely the U.S. will have to reduce the entirety of Afghanistan to a lifeless cinder, just to get this guy. There's a civil war going on there right now, and who ends up with the upper hand is still a question. If the West becomes involved in any way, particularly in supporting one side or the other, it could go very badly for Bin Laden. I think the die is cast where Bin Laden is concerned. The gov is determined to "get" him, and that's what they'll likely do. I just hope it's really he who is determined later to have been the one responsible for this attack, for which he seems to be getting the blame. If that's the case, no punishment will be severe enough. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sipke de Wal" <sipke(a)wxs.nl> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 12:34 PM Subject: Re: World Trade -- Acknowledgement as of or of We and

Sellam Ismail writes: On this one we're in agreement. The Afghanistan war had us involved along with Gunga Dan Rather at the boarder. This is another stupidity of Cold-war thinking in a post cold-war world. You may be right. I've had less than good feelings about the bureau since the 80's. They used to be a big customer of mine in the Dec Field Service days. Technology was not their strong point even then... Don't ask. I think we may already have a fairly good idea if the evidence being leaked from officials to the press is real. Bill -- d|i|g|i|t|a|l had it THEN. Don't you wish you could still buy it now! bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org

Richard Erlacher wrote: Anyone else think the Congress and CIA promise not to eliminate any leaders via covert action (after the Castro revelations in the '70's) is probabily becoming a liability causing this country not to do more in in this area. Bill

Well... It is on topic because I intend to use this beast to support my older classic computers. I reciently obtained a Gould/Biomation Logic Analyzer. While it did have probes it didn't have any software or manuals. The other item that it didn't come with is the little connector containing the grabber wires at the very end of the probes. I'm hoping these kind of items are more common then the probes themselves. Anyone have a line on where I might be able to find these critters? Thanks, George Rachor ========================================================= George L. Rachor Jr. george(a)rachors.com Hillsboro, Oregon http://rachors.com United States of America Amateur Radio : KD7DCX

BTW ... probably the least expensive way to get the Pomona version of these "EZ-hooks" is to buy their "SMD GRABBER PATCH CORD" set, part number 5521. That provides color coded wires with an EZ-hook at each end. You can cut those in half and put whatever the appropriate termination for the LA-probe end is at the open end. Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Leo Rachor Jr." <george(a)racsys.rt.rain.com> To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:54 AM Subject: Need test leads for Biomation K105-D Logic analyzer