19 Sep
2001
19 Sep
'01
7:40 a.m.
On September 19, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
BTW a stupid question: What is a 8700? Is it SBI based
like the
11/78[05] and 86[05]0, or is it XMI / VAXBI like the 85x0 or 6k VAXen?
I asume that a 8700 is a 8600 in a biger enclosure?
The 8700 and the 8600 are very different machines. The 8700 uses
VAXBI, and is mounted in a chasiss similar in size to that of the
8600. I don't think there's any XMI in there.
Incidentally, the 8700 can be turned into an 8800 by plugging a
second CPU card set into the machine.
-Dave
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19 Sep
19 Sep
9:56 a.m.
On 19 Sep, Dave McGuire wrote:
The 8700 and the 8600 are very different machines.
The 8700 uses
VAXBI, and is mounted in a chasiss similar in size to that of the
8600. I don't think there's any XMI in there.
Incidentally, the 8700 can be turned into an 8800 by plugging a
second CPU card set into the machine.
Hmmm. I got confused by:
http://www.de.netbsd.org/Documentation/Hardware/Machines/DEC/vax/sections.h…
There is the 8600 (aka 11/790) listed as a SBI machine.
There is no reference to the 8700.
The 8800 is listed as:
Basically an 8550 processor in a bigger box with space for additional
processors to make it into an 8820 or 8840
The 8550 is listed:
XMI processor/memory backplane with VAXBI I/O
According to http://anacin.nsc.vcu.edu/~jim/mvax/vax-perf.html the 8k
VAXen, except the 8600, are pure VAXBI, no XMI. XMI came with the 6k
VAXen.
So I assume the "base" machine is the 8550. In a biger chasiss it is
named 8700 and with a second CPU the 8700 is called 8800?
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tsch??,
Jochen
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2:46 p.m.
At 11:56 PM 19/09/2001 +0200, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
So I assume the "base" machine is the 8550.
In a biger chasiss it is
named 8700 and with a second CPU the 8700 is called 8800?
As far as I recall, the first two products were the 8700 and the 8800, the
only difference was the number of CPUs (one and two respectively). There
were two slower implementations (8550, 8530) that were both single CPU
systems. All of these systems used either a PRO-350 or PRO-380 as the
VAXconsole. Later (when all the PROs were used up?) the console was
replaced with a uVAX-II and the systems renamed 88x0 (for x=1,2,3 or 4 CPUs).
In a past life I used to manage a cluster that had (originally) a 11/785,
8700 and 8800. After a while we removed the 11/785 from maintenance and
about a week later it died. This lead to a period where I did maintenance
myself, leading to the acquisition of an 8650, 11/785, 11/780, two 8800s
and an 8820. Eventually the cluster grew to two 8800s (under Digital
maintenance), two 8800s and the 8820 (under Huw maintenance). I can tell
you now that 8800s are great when they run and real horrors when they fail....
I can also confirm that 8800s and 8820s have different modules inside, such
that you can't upgrade an 8820 to an 8840 using an 8800 :-(
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20 Sep
20 Sep
4:04 a.m.
On Wed, Sep 19, 2001 at 03:40:45PM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote:
The 8700 and the 8600 are very different machines.
The 8700 uses
VAXBI, and is mounted in a chasiss similar in size to that of the
8600. I don't think there's any XMI in there.
Incidentally, the 8700 can be turned into an 8800 by plugging a
second CPU card set into the machine.
-Dave
Speaking of which, anybody know where I can get a decent desktop
VAX to play with again? VLC or better...
Bill
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Austin, TX
4:43 a.m.
Speaking of which, anybody know where I can get a
decent desktop
VAX to play with again? VLC or better...
Bill
There is a VLC on eBay right now. VAXstation 4000's are up there all the time.
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5:55 a.m.
On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Bill Bradford wrote:
Speaking of which, anybody know where I can get a
decent desktop
VAX to play with again?
Hmmm... Do you mean a VAX that sits on the desktop, or a VAX that *is* the
desktop? :-D
Sorry, I couldn't resist!
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
9:42 a.m.
On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 12:55:12PM -0500, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
Hmmm... Do you mean a VAX that sits on the desktop, or
a VAX that *is* the
desktop? :-D
*on* the desktop. I've grown out of my "computers bigger than I am"
phase - someone picked up the VAX 6000 about a month ago, and the city
hauled off the empty 4/690MP backplane/blower assembly yesterday during
"bulky trash week".
Bill
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Bill Bradford
mrbill(a)mrbill.net
Austin, TX
8:06 p.m.
On 20 Sep, Bill Bradford wrote:
*on* the desktop.
You can put a VAX4000 in a
BA440 on a desktop. If the desk can take the
weight, it would be possible to put a 11/750 on it. ;-)
Look at EPay. I am sure there will show up a nice VS4k60 (12VUPs) or
even VS4k90 (24 VUPs, IMHO).
I've grown out of my "computers bigger than I
am" phase
I hope that I will never grow up. ;-)
- someone picked up the VAX 6000 about a month ago,
and the city
hauled off the empty 4/690MP backplane/blower assembly yesterday during
"bulky trash week".
Shame on you. ;-)
I know of some people that reused empty cabinet sized computer
enclosures. The VAX-Bar is the most famos. There is somebody in the
Netherlands, that puted a refrigerator in the enclosure of a dead SGI
Challenge. The same was made by some people at a german Sun office for
internal use...
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tsch??,
Jochen
Homepage: http://www.unixag-kl.fh-kl.de/~jkunz/
21 Sep
21 Sep
5:11 a.m.
On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 10:06:12AM +0200, jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
Well, part of it was realizing that a lot of the machines I collected
because they were free/cheap/gonna-be-tossed were doing nothing but
taking up (needed) space in the garage. I will NOT toss anything that
I can give away, however - I gave away a bunch of 4/330s, 4/630s, etc,
and tried to give away the 4/690 backplane/blower/power supplies for
two years before I gave up and gave it to the trash man.
I've grown
out of my "computers bigger than I am" phase
I hope that I will never
grow up. ;-) I know of some people that reused empty cabinet sized
computer
enclosures. The VAX-Bar is the most famos. There is somebody in the
Netherlands, that puted a refrigerator in the enclosure of a dead SGI
Challenge. The same was made by some people at a german Sun office for
internal use...
If I had the time, etc..
Bill
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mrbill(a)mrbill.net
Austin, TX
6:45 a.m.
I use an old, gutted ibm 3274 terminal control unit to house my vcr's and
be a stand for my tv.
(it was actually my wife's idea...gee, one of those old boxes would
make a great tv stand)!
-Bob
On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 10:06:12AM +0200,
jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
Well, part of it was realizing that a lot of the machines I collected
because they were free/cheap/gonna-be-tossed were doing nothing but
taking up (needed) space in the garage. I will NOT toss anything that
I can give away, however - I gave away a bunch of 4/330s, 4/630s, etc,
and tried to give away the 4/690 backplane/blower/power supplies for
two years before I gave up and gave it to the trash man.
bbrown(a)harper.cc.il.us #### #### Bob Brown - KB9LFR
Harper Community College ## ## ## Systems Administrator
Palatine IL USA #### #### Saved by grace
I've
grown out of my "computers bigger than I am" phase
I hope that I will
never grow up. ;-) I know of some people that reused empty cabinet
sized computer
enclosures. The VAX-Bar is the most famos. There is somebody in the
Netherlands, that puted a refrigerator in the enclosure of a dead SGI
Challenge. The same was made by some people at a german Sun office for
internal use...
If I had the time, etc..
Bill
--
Bill Bradford
mrbill(a)mrbill.net
Austin, TX 
6:57 a.m.
On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Bill Bradford wrote:
*sigh* Same here.
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 10:06:12AM +0200,
jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
Well, part of it was realizing that a lot of the machines I collected
because they were free/cheap/gonna-be-tossed were doing nothing but
taking up (needed) space in the garage. I will NOT toss anything that
I can give away, however - I gave away a bunch of 4/330s, 4/630s, etc,
and tried to give away the 4/690 backplane/blower/power supplies for
two years before I gave up and gave it to the trash man.
If there was a chassis, and you were closer to me, I would have taken that
system. It sucks that you are almost 2,000 miles from me.
I've
grown out of my "computers bigger than I am" phase
I hope that I will
never grow up. ;-) I know of some
people that reused empty cabinet sized computer
enclosures. The VAX-Bar is the most famos. There is somebody in the
Netherlands, that puted a refrigerator in the enclosure of a dead SGI
Challenge. The same was made by some people at a german Sun office for
internal use...
If I had the time, etc..
22 Sep
22 Sep
1:26 p.m.
On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 02:57:28PM -0400, Absurdly Obtuse wrote:
If there was a chassis, and you were closer to me, I
would have taken that
system. It sucks that you are almost 2,000 miles from me.
I've still got *six* power supplies for it, if anybody close to me
needs one.
Bill
--
Bill Bradford
mrbill(a)mrbill.net
Austin, TX
21 Sep
21 Sep
7:55 a.m.
Speaking of VAX's... can anyone give me a ballpark
figure on the value of a VAX 7800 CPU board? There was
some intense interest from a few people in acquiring
them and was wondering if it might be nice to help out
with the search.
Bill
Amsterdam
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On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 10:06:12AM +0200,
jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
I know of some
people that reused empty cabinet
sized computer
enclosures. The VAX-Bar is the most famos. There
is somebody in the
Netherlands, that puted a refrigerator in the
enclosure of a dead SGI
Challenge. The same was made by some people at a
german Sun office for
internal use...
If I had the time, etc..
9:32 a.m.
I would guess somewhere between $1000US and $1300US.
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, William S. wrote:
Speaking of VAX's... can anyone give me a
ballpark
figure on the value of a VAX 7800 CPU board? There was
some intense interest from a few people in acquiring
them and was wondering if it might be nice to help out
with the search.
Bill
Amsterdam
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On Fri, Sep 21, 2001 at 10:06:12AM +0200,
jkunz(a)unixag-kl.fh-kl.de wrote:
I know of
some people that reused empty cabinet
sized computer
enclosures. The VAX-Bar is the most famos. There
is somebody in the
Netherlands, that puted a refrigerator in the
enclosure of a dead SGI
Challenge. The same was made by some people at a
german Sun office for
internal use...
If I had the time, etc..
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