30 Dec
2001
30 Dec
'01
9:24 p.m.
Hi,
I'm trying to get a copy of Don Lancaster's "Cheap Video Cookbook"
and
"Son of Cheap Video" books, which are now out of print. Anyone got a copy of
both books they'd care to scan in and upload somewhere or sell to me? What
about the "TV Typewriter" article?
I'm also after a Synertek SYM-1 (or SY-VIM-1), a MOS KIM-1 and an
AIM-65. Anyone want to sell me one of these machines (or donate one to my
computer collection :-)?
Thanks.
--
Phil.
philpem(a)bigfoot.com
http://www.philpem.btinternet.co.uk/
30 Dec
30 Dec
11:03 p.m.
Philip Pemberton wrote:
Hi,
I'm trying to get a copy of Don Lancaster's "Cheap Video Cookbook"
and
"Son of Cheap Video" books, which are now out of print. Anyone got a copy of
both books they'd care to scan in and upload somewhere or sell to me? What
about the "TV Typewriter" article?
www.bookfinder.com located several copies of both books at various prices
-- hbp
31 Dec
31 Dec
2:12 a.m.
Hans B Pufal wrote:
Philip Pemberton wrote:
But online would be nice! I think somebody has done a KIM clone
on the web if you need a clone. From what I remember off the web
a 'true' KIM used custom 65xx parts for I/O and memory select.
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
Hi,
I'm trying to get a copy of Don Lancaster's "Cheap Video Cookbook"
and
"Son of Cheap Video" books, which are now out of print. Anyone got a copy of
both books they'd care to scan in and upload somewhere or sell to me? What
about the "TV Typewriter" article?
www.bookfinder.com located several copies of both books at various prices
-- hbp 
6 a.m.
New subject: KIM-1 (was Re: Cheap Video cookbooks and machines WTD)
--- Ben Franchuk <bfranchuk(a)jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
Hans B Pufal wrote:
>
> Philip Pemberton wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > I'm trying to get a copy of Don Lancaster's "Cheap Video
> > Cookbook" and "Son of Cheap Video" books
I don't think the "Cheap Video Cookbook" would survive the scanning
process (or at least, mine surely wouldn't - the binding would fragment
and I would have a stack of loose sheets - easier to scan, but kinda
messy for later).
The guy who gave me the pile of S-100 stuff this week had "Son of
Cheap Video", but he kept it.
I think somebody has done a KIM clone on the web if
you need a clone.
The KIM is one of the items on my list from that era to aquire (got a
SYM-1 and an AIM-65). I'd love to see a website about a clone. Was it
this - http://home.hccnet.nl/g.baltissen/kim-rb.gif - you were thinking
of? A schematic, but no board layout (I can generate schematics all day
long with OrCAD, but for a variety of reasons, I've never been able to
successfully migrate one of my designs to a layout package, which is why
the Elf99 project stalled).
From what I remember off the web
a 'true' KIM used custom 65xx parts for I/O and memory select.
They do - custom 6530s - 1K ROM, 64 bytes of RAM, I/O and timer. Handy
if you are trying to make a reduced-part-count machine. I think there's
been some effort to imitate a KIM-1 6530 with a daughter-card, but I
don't know if anyone has ever successfully emulated one.
There's a *nice* KIM-1 page at, surprise, surprise, http://www.kim-1.com/
as well as Ruud Baltison's page at
http://home.hccnet.nl/g.baltissen/kim.htm
(Ruud is a frequent poster on the cbm-hacker's list)
-ethan
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6:55 a.m.
New subject: KIM-1 (was Re: Cheap Video cookbooks and machines WTD)
Ethan Dicks wrote:
I don't think the "Cheap Video Cookbook"
would survive the scanning
process (or at least, mine surely wouldn't - the binding would fragment
and I would have a stack of loose sheets - easier to scan, but kinda
messy for later).
More like 'Good Video - Cheap paper-back cookbook'
The KIM is one of the items on my list from that era
to aquire (got a
SYM-1 and an AIM-65). I'd love to see a website about a clone. Was it
this - http://home.hccnet.nl/g.baltissen/kim-rb.gif - you were thinking
of? A schematic, but no board layout (I can generate schematics all day
long with OrCAD, but for a variety of reasons, I've never been able to
successfully migrate one of my designs to a layout package, which is why
the Elf99 project stalled).
Do Doooo Do Doooo
You are now in the 6502 zone ... we control ...
... hey I am lucky to got out of their alive. I am not sure where I
saw that.
What is a lot on the web is the small PC's made in the UK,
back then. They tended to use 'cheap video' style hardware
and z80's so that may be a idea of where to look for ideas.
--
Ben Franchuk - Dawn * 12/24 bit cpu *
www.jetnet.ab.ca/users/bfranchuk/index.html
3:58 a.m.
Philip Pemberton wrote:
I've also had good luck with www.abebooks.com when it comes
to finding out of print stuff.
Jeff
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Hi,
I'm trying to get a copy of Don Lancaster's "Cheap Video Cookbook"
and
"Son of Cheap Video" books, which are now out of print. Anyone got a copy of
both books they'd care to scan in and upload somewhere or sell to me? What
about the "TV Typewriter" article?
www.bookfinder.com located several copies of both books at various prices 
6:17 a.m.
These books all live and die on the notion that you can use a CPU to
generate the video timing more cheaply than you can build equivalent logic.
That was true in the '70's (when the TV-Typewriter Cookbook came out and it
is just as true now. I once had 'em but haven't seen 'em in years, probably
because I loaned 'em out.
Have you tried the local library?
I'd suggest you contemplate what this boils down to and save the expense and
effort of reading and/or duplicating Lancaster's work. It's valid, but it's
really much ado about nothing. It wasn't in the late '70's, however, since
digital video generation was much less widely understood back then, which is
why his books were such a popular item.
One beauty of the 6502 is that it can be set up with a symetrical Phase-0
clock, which results in a symetrical phase-1 and phase-2 clock, which, in
turn, supports sharing the static memory commonly used in shared memory
systems between two processors. You simply feed one CPU the complement of
the other's phase-0 clock and stand back. If one processor does the job of
managing the communication between the keyboard and system and the other
manges the video sync timing and the like, they never step on one another,
though they can communicate with one another and share the same memory.
If you want fast drawing, you simply map the video space into a small region
for each of several processors on the same clock phase, with that same space
shared with the one other processor who passes them parameters on the basis
of which they do their work. The shared memory is contiguously mapped for
the processor maintaining/refreshing the display, while it's in precisely
the same place for the guys doing the drawing. As a result the video guy
simply passes endpoints to each of the line/curve drawing processors, while
each of them runs the same code in the course of drawing. The video guy
decides who draws what and translates the specifications into segments for
each drawing slave, then passes the appropriate parameters.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeff Hellige" <jhellige(a)earthlink.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: Cheap Video cookbooks and machines WTD
>Philip Pemberton wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>> I'm trying to get a copy of Don Lancaster's "Cheap Video
Cookbook"
and
>>"Son of Cheap Video" books, which
are now out of print. Anyone got a
copy of
>>both books they'd care to scan in and
upload somewhere or sell to me?
What
>>about the "TV Typewriter" article?
>
>
> www.bookfinder.com located several copies of both books at various
prices
I've also had good luck with www.abebooks.com when it comes
to finding out of print stuff.
Jeff
--
Home of the TRS-80 Model 2000 FAQ File
http://www.cchaven.com
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lakes/6757
5:22 a.m.
While ISTR reference to a Don Lancaster "TV Typewriter" article, he put out
a book called "TV Typewriter Cookbook". It is 250 pages and would be non-
trivial to scan, besides which his books are still under copyright. He has a
web-page and might have copies of his books. A search should turn it up.
Looking at my copy I see it was originally published in 1976. I'd forgotten
how early it was. His books also turn up on E-Pay occasionally.
Lawrence
Hi,
I'm trying to get a copy of Don Lancaster's "Cheap Video Cookbook"
and
"Son of Cheap Video" books, which are now out of print. Anyone got a copy of
both books they'd care to scan in and upload somewhere or sell to me? What about
the "TV Typewriter" article?
I'm also after a Synertek SYM-1 (or SY-VIM-1), a MOS KIM-1 and an
AIM-65. Anyone want to sell me one of these machines (or donate one to my
computer collection :-)?
Thanks.
--
Phil.
philpem(a)bigfoot.com
http://www.philpem.btinternet.co.uk/
Reply to:
lgwalker(a)mts.net
6:32 a.m.
Lawrence Walker writes:
While ISTR reference to a Don Lancaster "TV
Typewriter" article, he put out
a book called "TV Typewriter Cookbook". It is 250 pages and would be non-
trivial to scan, besides which his books are still under copyright.
He has a web-page and might have copies of his books.
http://www.tinaja.com/books/bkdons.asp
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