There was a discussion here in the latter part of December about old sites on the web, someone asked about whether anyone had saved an old Google page. Anyway, here's a link to a site that has a massive archive of old web pages, they say they have 100 terabytes of material with 10 billion web pages saved : http://web.archive.org/collections/web.html Some of you will know about the site but others may not. I've done searches for the Apple site (now that I'm really into macs) as well as IBM and both Ebay and Google. The Ebay pages that come up still have all of the listings on them but when you try to click any individual link, you get a 'delisted' page. But the listings are still interesting. The Apple site dates back to when OS 8.6 was the cutting edge. Doesn't seem to be anything before 1996 but then there wasn't a whole lot out there before that anyway. Point of all this is that if you had an old site saved as a favorite, an owner's manual site for instance, you should be able to put in the url and get an archived copy of the old site. I know people who have been able to recoved lost/hijacked sites using this url and I hope some of you find it interesting. If something has disappeared on the modern web, it might still be at this site in the archives. BM