30 Dec
2000
30 Dec
'00
7:39 a.m.
On December 29, Marvin wrote:
I was looking at the Heath Listserver messages and
here is the URL of a
disassembled Heathkit "kit" selling on Ebay. Current price (someone has too
much money on their hands) is $103.50. The URL is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=…
The next thing will most likely be similar computer "kits". There was a
discussion on the Heath listserver about this unit and Chuck Pension spoke
about this type of activity being another cottage industry. Anyone
interested in a disassembled Heathkit H-89, or H-11, or ... :).
I thought you had to be smoking crack or something, Marvin; nobody
would actuall *do* something like this...but I just looked at the
auction. It's true.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Why do we have to stop at things that were originally kits? I can
see it now: "DEC PDP-11/34a KIT! L@@K! RARE!!"
Better start buying stock in ChemWik!
-Dave McGuire
30 Dec
30 Dec
10:11 a.m.
Yep! That's what makes the eBay work! Somebody wants it (Heaven, only,
knows why, but they do) so they're bidding.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave McGuire" <mcguire(a)neurotica.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2000 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: It had to happen sometime
On December 29, Marvin wrote:
> I was looking at the Heath Listserver messages and here is the URL of a
> disassembled Heathkit "kit" selling on Ebay. Current price (someone has
too
> much money on their hands) is $103.50. The URL
is:
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=…
2189
>
> The next thing will most likely be similar computer "kits". There was a
> discussion on the Heath listserver about this unit and Chuck Pension
spoke
about this
type of activity being another cottage industry. Anyone
interested in a disassembled Heathkit H-89, or H-11, or ... :).
I thought you had to be smoking crack or something, Marvin; nobody
would actuall *do* something like this...but I just looked at the
auction. It's true.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Why do we have to stop at things that were originally kits? I can
see it now: "DEC PDP-11/34a KIT! L@@K! RARE!!"
Better start buying stock in ChemWik!
-Dave McGuire
31 Dec
31 Dec
2:02 a.m.
New subject: PPort ethernet, new on ebay for $9.00
I just bought two printerport Xircom ethernet adapters for 9bucks apiece
on Ebay. Only three of the 25 available sold so there are still units
available.
I got two because they were so cheap. I wanted one for my Atari ST.
There is a mod out there to run one on the ST by breaking some signals out
and routing them to the cartridge port but I can't find it. Right now I'm
running MiNT on this machine with 4mb ram (can't have any more).
It is networked but via a PPP serial link at 19200bps.... The ppp server
is Tserve for OS/2.
Regards,
Jeff
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President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
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2 Jan
2 Jan
12:13 a.m.
New subject: PPort ethernet, new on ebay for $9.00
On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 THETechnoid(a)home.com wrote:
I just bought two printerport Xircom ethernet adapters
for 9bucks apiece
on Ebay. Only three of the 25 available sold so there are still units
available.
I got two because they were so cheap. I wanted one for my Atari ST.
There is a mod out there to run one on the ST by breaking some signals out
and routing them to the cartridge port but I can't find it. Right now I'm
running MiNT on this machine with 4mb ram (can't have any more).
Do you have a HD? I'd like to run MiNT, but I'm uncertain about its
usefulness without a hard drive.
The other problem is that the two parport ethernet drivers for the Atari
require either a D-Link DE600 or an RTL8012 based adaptor, and AFAIK,
Xircom ones are compatible with neither.
It is networked but via a PPP serial link at
19200bps.... The ppp server
is Tserve for OS/2.
An OS/2 junkie? That was a while ago (not counting the state railways and
the local supermarket). I've been intending to install Warp on one of my
new Pentiums (I've already got 2.1 on a 486). It doesn't seem to like
ATAPI drives, though. Cor, I feel so modern, having got my first 100 MHz
computer.
6:50 p.m.
New subject: PPort ethernet, new on ebay for $9.00
In <Pine.LNX.3.94.1010102150256.767D-100000@uno>, on 01/03/01
at 03:50 AM, Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> said:
Do you have a HD? I'd like to run MiNT, but I'm
uncertain about its
usefulness without a hard drive.
The other problem is that the two parport ethernet drivers for the Atari
require either a D-Link DE600 or an RTL8012 based adaptor, and AFAIK,
Xircom ones are compatible with neither.
Yup, its running on a 600mb scsi with a Link II interface. Gotta have a
hard disk. You might be able to string enough floppy drives together to
run it, but it would be a custom setup. MiNT docs say it'll run on any
ST. I think you might get a single user session and PPP going but that
would be the limit. X barely runs on my 4mb ram and I can't actually run
any X programs without running out of memory at that. No virtual memory
really hurts. Later Ataris like the Falcon and the TT don't suffer from
this so killer MiNT setups are possible.
In the last couple of years, I've had by far the best luck with KEMD, the
English translation of Knarf's German MiNT Distribution (KGMD). It is
easy to install and comes with most of what you need such as a TCP/IP
stack and PPPD. The first install screens are in German. Basically I
made educated guesses as to what was being asked..... If you have
questions, please feel free to e-mail me.
> It is networked but via a PPP serial link at
19200bps.... The ppp server
> is Tserve for OS/2.
An OS/2 junkie? That was a while ago (not counting the
state railways and
the local supermarket). I've been intending to install Warp on one of my
new Pentiums (I've already got 2.1 on a 486). It doesn't seem to like
ATAPI drives, though. Cor, I feel so modern, having got my first 100 MHz
computer.
Yea, I've been an OS/2phile for going on ten years. 2.1 is not happy with
most Atapi cdrom drives without adding a driver to your install disks.
Warp Connect and Warp 4 are very happy with almost any drive. Thise
year's release of OS/2 is EcomStation and installs like a dream on almost
any pc hardware. I owe a lot to OS/2. Finally a new version!
Regards,
Jeff
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
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8:06 p.m.
New subject: PPort ethernet, new on ebay for $9.00
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 THETechnoid(a)home.com wrote:
Moreover, 2.1 required a second IDE interface in order to utilise the
ATAPI drive.
In
<Pine.LNX.3.94.1010102150256.767D-100000@uno>, on 01/03/01
at 03:50 AM, Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> said:
Why would one want to run X when one has MiNT? I don't see why one would
like to run X on any kind of system, in fact.
I suppose I'll have to stick with TOS until I find one of the half-dozen
or so ST HD interfaces which seem to have found their way to Sweden. ST
users seem to have been allergic to upgrades.
Do you have a HD? I'd like to run MiNT, but
I'm uncertain about its
usefulness without a hard drive.
The other problem is that the two parport ethernet drivers for the Atari
require either a D-Link DE600 or an RTL8012 based adaptor, and AFAIK,
Xircom ones are compatible with neither.
Yup, its running on a 600mb scsi with a Link II interface. Gotta have a
hard disk. You might be able to string enough floppy drives together to
run it, but it would be a custom setup. MiNT docs say it'll run on any
ST. I think you might get a single user session and PPP going but that
would be the limit. X barely runs on my 4mb ram and I can't actually run
any X programs without running out of memory at that. No virtual memory
really hurts. Later Ataris like the Falcon and the TT don't suffer from
this so killer MiNT setups are possible. In the last couple of years, I've had by far the
best luck with KEMD, the
English translation of Knarf's German MiNT Distribution (KGMD). It is
easy to install and comes with most of what you need such as a TCP/IP
stack and PPPD. The first install screens are in German. Basically I
made educated guesses as to what was being asked..... If you have
questions, please feel free to e-mail me.
I'm quite adept at German, so that shouldn't be any problem. One almost
has to be in the ST world.
> It is
networked but via a PPP serial link at 19200bps.... The ppp server
> is Tserve for OS/2.
An OS/2 junkie? That was a while ago (not counting
the state railways and
the local supermarket). I've been intending to install Warp on one of my
new Pentiums (I've already got 2.1 on a 486). It doesn't seem to like
ATAPI drives, though. Cor, I feel so modern, having got my first 100 MHz
computer.
Yea, I've been an OS/2phile for going on ten years. 2.1 is not happy with
most Atapi cdrom drives without adding a driver to your install disks. Warp Connect and Warp 4 are very happy with almost any
drive. Thise
year's release of OS/2 is EcomStation and installs like a dream on almost
any pc hardware. I owe a lot to OS/2. Finally a new version!
At the usual IBM prices?
9:08 p.m.
New subject: PPort ethernet, new on ebay for $9.00
Yes and no. If you allready have warp4, you can 'upgrade' for $135.00. If
not, it is more than $200.00. If you want SMP, it is $100.00 more still.
I'd look for a copy of Warp4 and buy the upgrade license. The product is
the same regardless.
Regards,
Jeff
In <Pine.LNX.3.94.1010103110041.12163B-100000@uno>, on 01/03/01
at 06:08 AM, Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> said:
At the usual IBM prices?
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
-----------------------------------------------------------
9:11 p.m.
New subject: PPort ethernet, new on ebay for $9.00
I can run an AES window manager and do run AES4.1 under MiNT, but X would
be useful.
Regards,
Jeff
In <Pine.LNX.3.94.1010103110041.12163B-100000@uno>, on 01/03/01
at 06:11 AM, Iggy Drougge <optimus(a)canit.se> said:
Why would one want to run X when one has MiNT? I
don't see why one would
like to run X on any kind of system, in fact.
I suppose I'll have to stick with TOS until I find one of the half-dozen
or so ST HD interfaces which seem to have found their way to Sweden. ST
users seem to have been allergic to upgrades.
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
-----------------------------------------------------------
7:07 p.m.
New subject: PPort ethernet, new on ebay for $9.00
Looks like a winner then. The model is: PE10BT-32K which makes me think
RJ not RG. I have not heard back from the seller yet so it might still
bust.
Oh God. I just had a sick thought of trying to run one under NetBSD on my
Sun Sparcstation which is already networked via it's own, more than
adequate lance ethernet adapter. I bet I can find a driver. Anyone know
how complete the printer port on this Sun is?
As for the ST, I think as long as the chipset is the same as the Dlink
models (RTL8012???) then it is likely to work from what I've read on the
net'.
In <l03102808b67888bd0994(a)[192.168.1.4]>4]>, on 01/03/01
at 04:07 AM, Mike Ford <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com> said:
>I just bought two printerport Xircom ethernet
adapters for 9bucks apiece
>on Ebay. Only three of the 25 available sold so there are still units
>available.
Sounds like a coax, not a 10bt price. Are you sure
about which it is?
--
-----------------------------------------------------------
Jeffrey S. Worley
President
Complete Computer Services, Inc.
30 Greenwood Rd.
Asheville, NC 28803
828-277-5959
Visit our website at HTTP://www.Real-Techs.com
THETechnoid(a)home.com
-----------------------------------------------------------
7:49 p.m.
New subject: PPort ethernet, new on ebay for $9.00
On Wed, 3 Jan 2001 THETechnoid(a)home.com wrote:
Oh God. I just had a sick thought of trying to run
one under NetBSD on my
Sun Sparcstation which is already networked via it's own, more than
adequate lance ethernet adapter. I bet I can find a driver. Anyone know
how complete the printer port on this Sun is?
As for the ST, I think as long as the chipset is the same as the Dlink
models (RTL8012???) then it is likely to work from what I've read on the
net'.
AFAIK Xircom have their own constructions and are very secretive about
them. No NetBSD drivers exist AFAIK (To the best of my knowledge, there
are no parport ethernet drivers for NetBSD whatsoever), though I seem to
recall having seen either Solaris or BSD/OS drivers.
30 Dec
30 Dec
12:07 p.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
On December 29, Marvin wrote:
I thought this was an interesting concept. Many people speak about the "old
days" when Heathkit was still supplying kits and how nice it would be to do
something like that now. There have been quite a few discussions on the
Heath Listserver about what it would take to provide such kits now. This
disassembly/rekit concept seems like a good idea although my impression is
that it would be a *LOT* of work to disassemble, test the parts, and clean
everything up to be ready to put back together as a kit. I might have to try
this with some of the older Heathkit stuff for which I also have manuals
(speaking seriously). I doubt it would be worth the time and effort for the
potential monitary return, but from the standpoint of perhaps getting some
people interested in building stuff, it might be very worthwhile. It IS hard
to judge though by just this one auction.
I was looking at the Heath Listserver messages
and here is the URL of a
disassembled Heathkit "kit" selling on Ebay. Current price (someone has too
much money on their hands) is $103.50. The URL is:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewItem&item=…
I thought you had to be smoking crack or something, Marvin; nobody
would actuall *do* something like this...but I just looked at the
auction. It's true.
Be afraid. Be very afraid. 
31 Dec
31 Dec
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