17 Sep
2007
17 Sep
'07
5:55 p.m.
that show is not what it used to be. Certainly not
worth the ~300 mile drive. It used to be in a
different location and was at probably 2x as big.
Did talk w/some interesting people. I met a guy who
has 3,000 computers, including some VERY big iron. Can
you say you know anyone w/this many puters? Can you? I
think not. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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17 Sep
6:02 p.m.
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Chris M wrote:
that show is not what it used to be. Certainly not
worth the ~300 mile drive. It used to be in a
different location and was at probably 2x as big.
Did talk w/some interesting people. I met a guy who
has 3,000 computers, including some VERY big iron. Can
you say you know anyone w/this many puters? Can you? I
think not. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sellam's collection needs to be stored in multiple places to avoid
destabilizing the tectonic plates
10:04 p.m.
Jules Richardson wrote:
Or he's speaking on 'behalf' of somewhere.
e.g. how many machines do the CHM have? Quite a few thousand I'd expect.
I wouldn't say I have three thousand, but I have at least several hundred.
My collection's size isn't primarily due to the number of machines, but
instead because of the size of my machines. And there are a few people
on this list whose collections are the size of mine or larger, at least
that I know of.
Peace... Sridhar
>> has 3,000 computers
He's either BS-ing you, or he means modern-ish PC junk, or both. 
18 Sep
18 Sep
1:51 p.m.
And thusly were the wise words spake by Sridhar Ayengar
Jules Richardson wrote:
Or he's speaking on 'behalf' of somewhere.
e.g. how many machines do the CHM have? Quite a few thousand I'd expect.
I wouldn't say I have three thousand, but I have at least several hundred.
My collection's size isn't primarily due to the number of machines, but
instead because of the size of my machines. And there are a few people
on this list whose collections are the size of mine or larger, at least
that I know of.
Hmmm.. A new way to define ones collection - by the space it takes up! :)
Cheers,
Bryan
>> has 3,000 computers
He's either BS-ing you, or he means modern-ish PC junk, or both. 
2:24 p.m.
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 13:51 -0400, Bryan Pope wrote:
And thusly were the wise words spake by Sridhar
Ayengar
Hm. Mine takes 30 gallons per hundred miles to move.
Gordon
Jules Richardson wrote:
I wouldn't say I have three thousand, but I have at least several hundred.
My collection's size isn't primarily due to the number of machines, but
instead because of the size of my machines. And there are a few people
on this list whose collections are the size of mine or larger, at least
that I know of.
Hmmm.. A new way to define ones collection - by the space it takes up! :)
>>> has 3,000 computers
He's either BS-ing you, or he means modern-ish PC junk, or both.
Or he's speaking on 'behalf' of somewhere.
e.g. how many machines do the CHM have? Quite a few thousand I'd expect.
2:33 p.m.
Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 13:51 -0400, Bryan Pope wrote:
Of gas or diesel?
Peace... Sridhar
And thusly were the wise words spake by Sridhar
Ayengar
Hm. Mine takes 30 gallons per hundred miles to move. Jules Richardson wrote:
Hmmm.. A new way to define ones collection - by the space it takes up! :) >>>> has 3,000 computers
> He's either BS-ing you, or he means modern-ish PC junk, or both.
Or he's speaking on 'behalf' of somewhere.
e.g. how many machines do the CHM have? Quite a few thousand I'd expect.
I
wouldn't say I have three thousand, but I have at least several hundred.
My collection's size isn't primarily due to the number of machines, but
instead because of the size of my machines. And there are a few people
on this list whose collections are the size of mine or larger, at least
that I know of.
2:42 p.m.
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 14:33 -0400, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
Petrol. Switching to the same model of car but a diesel engine would
reduce that to about 20 gallons.
Horribly off-topic (sorry Jay) but it gets confusing when people on the
other side of the pond talk about running their cars on "gas". When we
talk about running a car on gas we mean LPG.
Gordon
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 13:51 -0400, Bryan Pope
wrote:
Of gas or diesel? And thusly were the wise words spake by Sridhar
Ayengar
Hm. Mine takes 30 gallons per hundred miles to move. Jules Richardson wrote:
>>>>> has 3,000 computers
>> He's either BS-ing you, or he means modern-ish PC junk, or both.
> Or he's speaking on 'behalf' of somewhere.
>
> e.g. how many machines do the CHM have? Quite a few thousand I'd expect.
I wouldn't say I have three thousand, but I have at least several hundred.
My collection's size isn't primarily due to the number of machines, but
instead because of the size of my machines. And there are a few people
on this list whose collections are the size of mine or larger, at least
that I know of.
Hmmm.. A new way to define ones collection - by the space it takes up! :)
3:04 p.m.
Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
Of gas or diesel?
Petrol. Switching to the same model of car but a diesel engine would
reduce that to about 20 gallons.
Mine would use a lot more fuel than that. I think the last time I had
to move my collection it was something like 10-12 times that amount, for
only a part of my collection. Plus most of my machines don't fit into a
car. I need a 53' tractor-trailer. (Or segmented lorry?) And, even
then, it takes more than one load.
Hmmm.. A new
way to define ones collection - by the space it takes up! :)
Hm. Mine takes 30
gallons per hundred miles to move. Horribly off-topic (sorry Jay) but it gets confusing
when people on the
other side of the pond talk about running their cars on "gas". When we
talk about running a car on gas we mean LPG.
Sorry about that. It slipped my mind. I usually use "gasoline" when
talking to someone outside of North America.
Peace... Sridhar
5:11 p.m.
On Tue, 2007-09-18 at 15:04 -0400, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
Petrol. Switching to the same model of car but a diesel engine would
reduce that to about 20 gallons.
Mine would use a lot more fuel than that. I think the last time I had
to move my collection it was something like 10-12 times that amount, for
only a part of my collection. Plus most of my machines don't fit into a
car. I need a 53' tractor-trailer. (Or segmented lorry?) And, even
then, it takes more than one load.
I *think* I could fit at least one 40" rack into the back of my car.
Possibly two, side-by-side. Previously I've fitted approximately 750kg
of kit into the saloon version. In fact a picture is worth 1000 words:
http://www.gjcp.net/cxes.jpg
When I picked up a load of stuff from Matt London a couple of years ago,
I went down in the silver one (didn't have the white one then), with the
back seat removed. The entire car was filled, leaving me just enough
space to drive (and even then only if I didn't want 1st or 2nd very
often). One thing that will always stick in my mind is the creaks and
groans as the hydraulics took 30 seconds to lift off the floor...
Gordon
> Hmmm.. A new way to define ones collection - by
the space it takes up! :)
Hm. Mine takes 30 gallons per hundred miles to move.
Of gas or diesel? 
2:34 p.m.
Q: How do you end up with so many of a given machine?
A1: "I couldn't have one when they first came out. I couldn't have one
later, because . . . and then I couldn't have one after that, because . .
. Now I can get one! Oh, wow! There's another one! . . .
A2: Ever heard of the "Penguin man"? He once was given a toy penguin.
Later, somebody saw one just like it, and got it for him, thinking that
they would make good bookends. Somebody else saw his penguins and gave
him one. Soon, he had lots of penguins. People saw his "collection" of
penguins, and got him penguins for Christmas and birthdays, etc.
"I don't even LIKE penguins, but now I have the biggest collection
in the world."
He started selling them at the Alameda flea market. But, worse still, he
started buying a few that he knew were rare/valuable.
With the current association with penguins as the "mascot" of Linux, his
collection is quite valuable.
--
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3:27 p.m.
My
collection's size isn't primarily due to the number of machines, but
instead because of the size of my machines. And there are a few people
on this list whose collections are the size of mine or larger, at least
that I know of.
Hmmm.. A new way to define ones collection - by the space it takes up! :)
2:50 p.m.
dave06a at dunfield.com wrote:
I'm not sure that size if a good thing ...I don't know how many times I've
surveyed the content of my basement and said "why didn't I collect
calculators"!
I don't know. I look at my collection and it gives me a nice warm
feeling inside. I guess I'm just a packrat.
Peace... Sridhar
My collection's size isn't primarily due to
the number of machines, but
instead because of the size of my machines. And there are a few people
on this list whose collections are the size of mine or larger, at least
that I know of.
Hmmm.. A new way to define ones collection - by the space it takes up! :)
4:18 p.m.
I'm not
sure that size if a good thing ...I don't know how many times I've
surveyed the content of my basement and said "why didn't I collect
calculators"!
I don't know. I look at my collection and it gives me a nice warm
feeling inside. I guess I'm just a packrat.
Oh... I know that feeling.
Dave
PS: Sometimes when I look at my collection, I get more of a feeling of
panic...
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4:18 p.m.
I'm not
sure that size if a good thing ...I don't know how many times I've
surveyed the content of my basement and said "why didn't I collect
calculators"!
I don't know. I look at my collection and it gives me a nice warm
feeling inside. I guess I'm just a packrat.
Oh... I know that feeling.
Dave
PS: Sometimes when I look at my collection, I get more of a feeling of
panic...
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com Collector of vintage computing equipment:
http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html
4:18 p.m.
I'm not
sure that size if a good thing ...I don't know how many times I've
surveyed the content of my basement and said "why didn't I collect
calculators"!
I don't know. I look at my collection and it gives me a nice warm
feeling inside. I guess I'm just a packrat.
Oh... I know that feeling.
Dave
PS: Sometimes when I look at my collection, I get more of a feeling of
panic...
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com Collector of vintage computing equipment:
http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/index.html
3 p.m.
--- dave06a at dunfield.com wrote:
the space it takes up! :)
I'm not sure that size if a good thing ...I don't
know how many times I've
surveyed the content of my basement and said "why
didn't I collect
calculators"!
Yes - and when I ask people for help moving something,
someone always asks why I couldn't collect something
smaller or lighter - or at least things that don't
need three phase power...
-Ian
> My collection's size isn't primarily
due to the
number of machines, but
> instead because of the size of my machines.
And
there are a few people
> on this list whose collections are the size
of
mine or larger, at least
that I
know of.
Hmmm.. A new way to define ones collection - by 
3:13 p.m.
dave06a at dunfield.com wrote:
I'm not sure that size if a good thing ...I
don't know how many times I've
surveyed the content of my basement and said "why didn't I collect
calculators"!
Don't worry -- keep collecting. You get too many they just collapse
into a small black hole.
Dave
7:31 p.m.
--- woodelf <bfranchuk at jetnet.ab.ca> wrote:
Don't worry -- keep collecting. You get too many
they just collapse
into a small black hole.
> Dave
Or...you could just power them all up
simultaneously... and consequently shut down the power
grid on whatever coast you live on :). Woohoo lookit
them sparks! "And the rockets red glare...and bombs
bursting... LOL LOL LOL
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17 Sep
6:55 p.m.
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Chris M wrote:
> that show is not what it used to be. Certainly
not
> worth the ~300 mile drive. It used to be in a
> different location and was at probably 2x as big.
I've been going to MIT for over 13 years and don't ever remember it being
anywhere but the parking garage.
> Did talk w/some interesting people. I met a guy
who
> has 3,000 computers, including some VERY big iron. Can
> you say you know anyone w/this many puters? Can you? I
> think not. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
That's probably Bill German. He has a retaining wall outside his house
built from IBM PS2 Mod 80 cases. Quite a collector! He very well may
give Sellam a run for his money in terms of sheer volume.
Yesterday's MIT flea? We drove down 240 miles from Burlington, Vermont.
Lots of vendors, lots of junk. The only vintage hardware I spotted was a
bastardized S100 box with a bunch of Vector Graphics and Cromemco boards.
Someone else got it, but I wouldn't have bought it anyway - too hacked up.
My big score was an NEC MultiSync 3d monitor for my Amiga. A freebie,
yet! Paid > $50 for the last one from eBay, so the day wasn't a total
loss.
In general, all the good stuff goes directly to eBay now. I'm not going
out of my way to make it in October. The show is past its prime and on
the decline (IMHO).
The NEAR Hamfest is probably going to be more worthwhile. It's the
weekend of Oct. 12 in Deerfield, NH. Replaces the now-defunct
Hosstraders.
Steve
--
18 Sep
18 Sep
7:38 p.m.
--- Steven Hirsch <snhirsch at gmail.com> wrote:
It used to be in a
Hmm, maybe I'm in error. I just remember more space
for 17 footers and the like. I could swear there was a
different location. Went there in oh '96 or '97
methinks. It seemed larger.
> different
location and was at probably 2x as big.
I've been going to MIT for over 13 years and don't
ever remember it being
anywhere but the parking garage. That's probably Bill German. He has a retaining
wall outside his house
built from IBM PS2 Mod 80 cases. Quite a collector!
He very well may
give Sellam a run for his money in terms of sheer
volume.
He has some interesting stuph. I'll let him talk
about his own stuph as he sees fit. Nice guy. I met 2
peeps from NH. Makes me wanna live there (again).
Yesterday's MIT flea? We drove down 240 miles
from
Burlington, Vermont.
Lots of vendors, lots of junk. The only vintage
hardware I spotted was a
bastardized S100 box with a bunch of Vector Graphics
and Cromemco boards.
Someone else got it, but I wouldn't have bought it
anyway - too hacked up.
Yep, that was the guy looking for space-ship parts.
The NEAR Hamfest is probably going to be more
worthwhile. It's the
weekend of Oct. 12 in Deerfield, NH. Replaces the
now-defunct
Hosstraders.
Worthwhile in terms of what? Ham stuff or computers
and such?
I used to hear about Hosstraders when I was
accumulating big monitors. There was a guy in or
around Derry (Robert Johnson IIRC) that published
"the Cheap VGA" book. Not a very descriptive name, but
it was my introduction to cheap workstation fixed
frequency (19"+) monitors. Never found a single ~35khz
unit though. I still have the tattered thing in mom's
garage somewhere.
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19 Sep
1:46 p.m.
Yesterday's MIT flea? We drove down 240 miles
from Burlington, Vermont.
Lots of vendors, lots of junk. The only vintage hardware I spotted was a
bastardized S100 box with a bunch of Vector Graphics and Cromemco boards.
Someone else got it, but I wouldn't have bought it anyway - too hacked up.
Yes, that pile. Quite a few people were VERY interested in that until
they found out it was not for sale - then it turned into a shitbox.
In general, all the good stuff goes directly to eBay
now. I'm not going
out of my way to make it in October. The show is past its prime and on
the decline (IMHO).
Every show I manage to find some decent good items - perhaps you are
just too late. Then again, I am generally the second guy in line.
Anyway, the real secret to the MIT Flea is not about finding good
deals on vendor tables...
--
Will
17 Sep
17 Sep
10:34 p.m.
On Sep 17, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Chris M wrote:
And some people focus on quality over quantity. I met a guy with
3,000 Apple //e machines, all in varying degrees of disrepair. Was I
impressed? Only in the clinical sense, in that it made an impression
on me. It did not, however, inspire envy.
I think Sellam might be the one person who could claim bragging
rights over both quality AND quantity. (@;
ok
bear
Did talk w/some interesting people. I met a guy
who
has 3,000 computers, including some VERY big iron. Can
you say you know anyone w/this many puters? Can you? I
think not. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Sellam's collection needs to be stored in multiple places to avoid
destabilizing the tectonic plates 
10:39 p.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "r.stricklin" <bear at typewritten.org>
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only" <cctech at classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: did anyone else go to MIT?
I think Sellam might be the one person who could claim
bragging
rights over both quality AND quantity. (@;
ok
bear
If he had a database or spreadsheet listing everything he has, I would be
impressed. Acquiring stuff is easy, knowing what you have after a few years
without some kind of list is not.
10:44 p.m.
I think Sellam might be the one person who could claim
bragging
rights over both quality AND quantity. (@;
ok
bear
>> If he had a database or spreadsheet listing
everything he has, I
would be impressed. Acquiring stuff is easy, knowing what you
have after
a few years without some kind of list is not.
A map would be more valuable! I got lost in the aisles of his warehouse
once. It was like life-sized Maze Craze.
11:08 p.m.
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Evan Koblentz wrote:
A map would be more valuable! I got lost in the
aisles of his warehouse
once. It was like life-sized Maze Craze.
In Bakersfield, there used to be a life-sized maze called "Maze Craze".
It was knocked down years ago to build a WalMart.
--
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A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
18 Sep
18 Sep
2:26 a.m.
On Sep 17, 2007, at 11:08 PM, David Griffith wrote:
You've just summed up our country's "new culture" in two sentences.
*spit*
--
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Port Charlotte, FL
Farewell Ophelia, 9/22/1991 - 7/25/2007
A map would be
more valuable! I got lost in the aisles of his
warehouse
once. It was like life-sized Maze Craze.
In Bakersfield, there used to be a life-sized maze called "Maze
Craze".
It was knocked down years ago to build a WalMart. 
10:47 p.m.
On Monday 17 September 2007 22:43, Evan Koblentz wrote:
"Beowulf cluster, baby!"
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>> I met
a guy with 3,000 Apple //e machines
I'm not calling you a liar, but ... does anyone else find that really
hard to believe?
WHY would someone have 3,000 of the same machine? 
10:50 p.m.
At 10:43 PM -0400 9/17/07, Evan Koblentz wrote:
Actually I find it believable, and sad both (for the persons mental state).
Of course it could be that he got them by buying them as a lot from a
large school district thinking he could make money reselling them.
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>> I met
a guy with 3,000 Apple //e machines
I'm not calling you a liar, but ... does anyone else find that really
hard to believe?
WHY would someone have 3,000 of the same machine? 
11 p.m.
On 17 Sep 2007 at 22:43, Evan Koblentz wrote:
I'm not calling you a liar, but ... does anyone
else find that really
hard to believe?
WHY would someone have 3,000 of the same machine?
People are strange, particularly when it comes to collecting. I knew
a fellow with 100,000 wheat-head US pennies. He claimed they were
rare...
Cheers,
Chuck
11:09 p.m.
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007, Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 17 Sep 2007 at 22:43, Evan Koblentz wrote:
Wheat on the head? Now that IS rare.
--
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A: Because it fouls the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail?
I'm not calling you a liar, but ... does
anyone else find that really
hard to believe?
WHY would someone have 3,000 of the same machine?
People are strange, particularly when it comes to collecting. I knew
a fellow with 100,000 wheat-head US pennies. He claimed they were
rare... 
5:12 a.m.
On Tuesday 18 September 2007 04:00:07 Chuck Guzis wrote:
On 17 Sep 2007 at 22:43, Evan Koblentz wrote:
Well yeah. They *are* rare outside his house, because he's got them all.
Artificial scarcity (just like the scarcity of on-topic in this thread)
Gordon
I'm not calling you a liar, but ... does
anyone else find that really
hard to believe?
WHY would someone have 3,000 of the same machine?
People are strange, particularly when it comes to collecting. I knew
a fellow with 100,000 wheat-head US pennies. He claimed they were
rare... 
19 Sep
19 Sep
11:20 a.m.
Gordon JC Pearce wrote:
On Tuesday 18 September 2007 04:00:07 Chuck Guzis
wrote:
I'll bet his collection of pennies is worth at least $1000. ;=)
On 17 Sep 2007 at 22:43, Evan Koblentz wrote:
Well yeah. They *are* rare outside his house, because he's got them all.
I'm not calling you a liar, but ... does
anyone else find that really
hard to believe?
WHY would someone have 3,000 of the same machine?
People are strange, particularly when it comes to collecting. I knew
a fellow with 100,000 wheat-head US pennies. He claimed they were
rare...
Artificial scarcity (just like the scarcity of
on-topic in this thread)
18 Sep
18 Sep
2:25 a.m.
On Sep 17, 2007, at 10:43 PM, Evan Koblentz wrote:
Massively parallel processing!
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Port Charlotte, FL
Farewell Ophelia, 9/22/1991 - 7/25/2007
>> I met
a guy with 3,000 Apple //e machines
I'm not calling you a liar, but ... does anyone else find that really
hard to believe?
WHY would someone have 3,000 of the same machine? 
7:47 a.m.
On Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:43:34 -0400, Evan Koblentz wrote:
>>> I met a guy with 3,000 Apple //e machines
I'm not calling you a liar, but ... does anyone
else find that really
hard to believe?
WHY would someone have 3,000 of the same machine?
Love is truely blind ?
And in some cases self destructive :)
17 Sep
17 Sep
6:19 p.m.
On Mon, 2007-09-17 at 14:55 -0700, Chris M wrote:
Did talk w/some interesting people. I met a guy who
has 3,000 computers, including some VERY big iron. Can
you say you know anyone w/this many puters? Can you? I
think not. MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
/me looks up Sellam's email address...
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