One caution for 4164s. When they first came out, there were some that were 256 cycle refresh and others that were 128 cycle. There is no way by looking at them to tell which is which other than getting a matching original manufacture document. Many machines expect 128 cycle. You can use 256 cycle on chips designed for 128 but not the other way around. Most Z80 setups only do 128 unless it has additional hardware to handle the extra bit ( not to likely ). Dwight ________________________________ From: cctalk <cctalk-bounces at classiccmp.org> on behalf of Ethan Dicks via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 1:31:36 PM To: e. stiebler; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: NEC 4164-12 Hi, Emanuel, I have a quantity of 4164 DRAM from the Comboard days, new in tube. It is likely to mostly be 150ns and I don't know the brands until I dig it out, but I will check when I get home. If it matches what you need, I'm happy to send some to you. -ethan On Oct 28, 2017 12:32, "emanuel stiebler via cctalk" <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote: Hi all, anybody has some spare in the bin, he doesn't need? Looking for 18 pieces, preferably NEC, -12. Thanks!