17 Oct
2015
17 Oct
'15
5:04 a.m.
Apparently efforts are underway to get this unreleased product working.
I believe it was aimed at the TT030 desktop "workstation" model of the
ST family:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_TT030
Atari did licence UNIX? and got a really good deal ? $10 a seat!
http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/18/the-atari-st-could-have-run-unix/
? But the original 68000 version couldn't hack it. No MMU.
http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=1383
The product did eventually exist:
http://www.atariunix.com/
But as ever it was too little, too late.
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17 Oct
17 Oct
6:06 a.m.
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Subject: Atari Unix
Apparently efforts are underway to get this unreleased product working.
I believe it was aimed at the TT030 desktop "workstation" model of the ST
family:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_TT030
Atari did licence UNIX? and got a really good deal ? $10 a seat!
http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/18/the-atari-st-could-have-run-unix/
? But the original 68000 version couldn't hack it. No MMU.
http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=1383
The product did eventually exist:
http://www.atariunix.com/
But as ever it was too little, too late.
Perhaps also "too expensive"?
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7:18 a.m.
On 17 October 2015 at 15:06, Dave G4UGM <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps also "too expensive"?
AIUI Atari UNIX never shipped as a product, so that?s academic; nobody
knows what they would have charged. I?m not sure about this, though.
But the ?big 3? alternative home computer platforms of the 1980s all
offered a UNIX ? Acorn RISC-iX, Commodore Amiga UNIX and Atari UNIX.
None caught on ? they were vastly expensive for home users, and the
machines were seen as toys by professionals using SUN workstations and
so on.
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7:01 a.m.
Apparently efforts are underway to get this unreleased
product working.
I believe it was aimed at the TT030 desktop "workstation" model of the
ST family:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_TT030
Atari did licence UNIX? and got a really good deal ? $10 a seat!
http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/18/the-atari-st-could-have-run-unix/
? But the original 68000 version couldn't hack it. No MMU.
http://www.dadhacker.com/blog/?p=1383
The product did eventually exist:
http://www.atariunix.com/
But as ever it was too little, too late.
I was always under the impression that a few of them made it out there?
I have a TT030 and actually was just looking at it last night. It has a
VME slot (as they call it) that has a dual serial port board installed. I
think it has a modem port. I know it's not compatible with normal ST
softwar,e has VGA, does not use a ps2 keyboard but uses an ST keyboard,
and has real SCSI versus ACSI!
Strange computers. Doesn't look quite as cool as the Mega 2/4 IMHO but
still interesting!
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7:19 a.m.
On 17 October 2015 at 16:01, <ethan at 757.org> wrote:
I was always under the impression that a few of them
made it out there?
I have a TT030 and actually was just looking at it last night. It has a VME
slot (as they call it) that has a dual serial port board installed. I think
it has a modem port. I know it's not compatible with normal ST softwar,e has
VGA, does not use a ps2 keyboard but uses an ST keyboard, and has real SCSI
versus ACSI!
Strange computers. Doesn't look quite as cool as the Mega 2/4 IMHO but still
interesting!
Er, possible crossed wires here.
The TT shipped, sure.
It?s Atari UNIX that I /think/ did not.
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7:26 a.m.
-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: Atari Unix
On 17 October 2015 at 16:01, <ethan at 757.org> wrote:
> I was always under the impression that a few of them made it out there?
>
> I have a TT030 and actually was just looking at it last night. It has
> a VME slot (as they call it) that has a dual serial port board
> installed. I think it has a modem port.
That is an AppleTalk port.
> I know it's not compatible
> with normal ST software
It is not compatible with games software that relies on running on an 8Mhz 68000 or has
other hardware dependencies. Much of the business software still works fine.
> has VGA, does not use a ps2 keyboard but uses
> an ST keyboard, and has real SCSI versus ACSI!
>
The "real SCSI" is still somewhat broken and very temperamental.
Strange
computers. Doesn't look quite as cool as the Mega 2/4 IMHO but
still interesting!
Er, possible crossed wires here.
The TT shipped, sure.
It?s Atari UNIX that I /think/ did not.
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9:30 a.m.
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:26:53PM +0100, Dave G4UGM wrote:
The "real SCSI" is still somewhat broken and
very temperamental.
As someone who used to make a living working on VMEbus equipment ...
... if a machine has a VMEbus slot, that description usually applies.
In particular, never assume that multiple bus masters can exist on
the same backplane.
I fought that battle with a Solbourne. Conclusion: it was fine to
add in one of our peripheral boards but that was it. They had never
even implemented the hard parts of the spec.
mcl
10:23 a.m.
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Linimon
Sent: 17 October 2015 17:30
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<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Atari Unix
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:26:53PM +0100, Dave G4UGM wrote:
same
The "real SCSI" is still somewhat
broken and very temperamental.
As someone who used to make a living working on VMEbus equipment ...
... if a machine has a VMEbus slot, that description usually applies.
In particular, never assume that multiple bus masters can exist on the backplane.
I fought that battle with a Solbourne. Conclusion: it was fine to add in
one of
our peripheral boards but that was it. They had never
even implemented
the hard parts of the spec.
mcl
I think the only use I ever saw for the slot in the Atari TT was for Video
cards. My TT had one, but it needed extra software to drive it...
Dave
10:29 a.m.
The RIebl ethernet card is working with ASV
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Dave Wade <dave.g4ugm at gmail.com> wrote:
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<cctalk at classiccmp.org>
Subject: Re: Atari Unix
On Sat, Oct 17, 2015 at 03:26:53PM +0100, Dave G4UGM wrote:
same
The "real SCSI" is still somewhat
broken and very temperamental.
As someone who used to make a living working on VMEbus equipment ...
... if a machine has a VMEbus slot, that description usually applies.
In particular, never assume that multiple bus masters can exist on the backplane.
I fought that battle with a Solbourne. Conclusion: it was fine to add in
one of
our peripheral boards but that was it. They had
never even implemented
the hard parts of the spec.
mcl
I think the only use I ever saw for the slot in the Atari TT was for Video
cards. My TT had one, but it needed extra software to drive it...
Dave
18 Oct
18 Oct
1:19 p.m.
> I have a
TT030 and actually was just looking at it last night. It has
> a VME slot (as they call it) that has a dual serial port board
> installed. I think it has a modem port.
That is an AppleTalk port. 
from a friend that knows I tinker with them. All of his
Atari ST equipment
is probably from NASA surplus auction.
8:16 a.m.
l?r 2015-10-17 klockan 10:01 -0400 skrev ethan at 757.org:
I was always under the impression that a few of them
made it out
there?
I have a TT030 and actually was just looking at it last night. It has
a
VME slot (as they call it) that has a dual serial port board
installed. I
think it has a modem port. I know it's not compatible with normal ST
softwar,e has VGA, does not use a ps2 keyboard but uses an ST
keyboard,
and has real SCSI versus ACSI!
Strange computers. Doesn't look quite as cool as the Mega 2/4 IMHO
but
still interesting!
The specs makes me think that it is a bit more powerfull than a Sun
3/80 (and 280 too.)
The ECL monitor reminds me about Sun Sun2/3/4:era bwtwo.
About the same resolution.
Remark: how much did a 1280x1024 capable ecl-monitor cost around 1990 ?
8:26 a.m.
s?n 2015-10-18 klockan 17:16 +0200 skrev Stefan Skoglund (lokal
anv?ndare):
The specs makes me think that it is a bit more
powerfull than a Sun
3/80 (and 280 too.)
The ECL monitor reminds me about Sun Sun2/3/4:era bwtwo.
About the same resolution.
Remark: how much did a 1280x1024 capable ecl-monitor cost around 1990
?
I checked out the end customer/oem price list.
Sun wanted 1988 4000 $ for a high resolution monitor with cable and
board (bwtwo.)
I would be surprised if a monitor only at that time was around 2000 $.
11:40 a.m.
New subject: Monochrome ECL monitors, circa 1990 - was Re: Atari Unix
On 2015-10-18 11:16 AM, Stefan Skoglund (lokal anv?ndare) wrote:
l?r 2015-10-17 klockan 10:01 -0400 skrev ethan at
757.org:
I was using Macintosh high res mono screens around that time. I found a
price from Jan 2, 1989:
Sigma Laserview for SE, 1664x1200, presumably including the interface
card: $2295
And a lot more prices from Feb 16, 1987:
Megascreen Plus, 1024x900 $2495
Page 46: http://ur1.ca/o2qyo
--Toby
I was always under the impression that a few of
them made it out
there?
I have a TT030 and actually was just looking at it last night. It has
a
VME slot (as they call it) that has a dual serial port board
installed. I
think it has a modem port. I know it's not compatible with normal ST
softwar,e has VGA, does not use a ps2 keyboard but uses an ST
keyboard,
and has real SCSI versus ACSI!
Strange computers. Doesn't look quite as cool as the Mega 2/4 IMHO
but
still interesting!
The specs makes me think that it is a bit more powerfull than a Sun
3/80 (and 280 too.)
The ECL monitor reminds me about Sun Sun2/3/4:era bwtwo.
About the same resolution.
Remark: how much did a 1280x1024 capable ecl-monitor cost around 1990 ?
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