8 Aug
2006
8 Aug
'06
4:15 p.m.
Pulled a Newton (110?) out of the trash today
(complete with power, faxmodem, carrying case, etc.)
Appears to work.
Can these be repurposed? Or, is it just an oversized,
underpowered "notepad"?
8 Aug
8 Aug
4:57 p.m.
On 9/8/06 00:15, "Don" <THX1138 at dakotacom.net> wrote:
Pulled a Newton (110?) out of the trash today
(complete with power, faxmodem, carrying case, etc.)
Appears to work.
Can these be repurposed? Or, is it just an oversized,
underpowered "notepad"?
Apologies for this, but what sort of politically correct homogenised
saccharined Americanised word is 'repurposed'? I don't want to get off on a
rant here but I already thought the second-hand market was going nuts with
words like 'pre-owned' and 'pre-loved' but 'repurposed?'
We got in trouble last year because one of us had taken a bite off a
tortilla and, get this, DIPPED IT IN SOME SAUCE before taking another bite!
Horrors! The death dealing double dipper had struck! Plastic gloves all
round!
Oops, sorry, I went all Dennis Miller there. Dipping apologies all round,
move on, nothing to see here. Computers eh. Sorry Jay, something within me
snapped and I hope I can get it fixed without spending thousands on needless
medical insurance :)
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collection?
6:49 p.m.
Adrian Graham wrote:
On 9/8/06 00:15, "Don" <THX1138 at
dakotacom.net> wrote:
Apologies. I had thought "repurposed" was pretty much a
run-of-the-mill term -- especially when applied to older
machines!
Take an old IA1 and "repurpose" it as a digital picture frame.
Take an old generic PC and repurpose it as a router.
Take an old PDA and repurpose it as an MP3 player.
etc.
Pulled a Newton (110?) out of the trash today
(complete with power, faxmodem, carrying case, etc.)
Appears to work.
Can these be repurposed? Or, is it just an oversized,
underpowered "notepad"?
Apologies for this, but what sort of politically correct homogenised
saccharined Americanised word is 'repurposed'? I don't want to get off on a
rant here but I already thought the second-hand market was going nuts with
words like 'pre-owned' and 'pre-loved' but 'repurposed?' 
10:36 p.m.
Apologies for this, but what sort of politically
correct homogenised
saccharined Americanised word is 'repurposed'?
I don't see it as any of those. What would you suggest instead? (In
case the meaning really isn't clear to you, to repurpose something is
to use it for a different purpose - different from *what* is generally
indicated by context (most commonly, different from what it is
currently being used for, or from what it was designed for).)
If you know of a better word for the meaning, I'd love to hear.
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9 Aug
9 Aug
7:49 a.m.
On Wed, August 9, 2006 6:36 am, der Mouse said:
If you know of a better word for the meaning, I'd love to hear.
Over here we'd say 'reuse' or 'does it still have a use'. It just
struck
me as being another example of english gone mad like 'infomercial' and
'edutainment'.
No harm meant, I think I'm still jetlagged :o)
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12:53 p.m.
der Mouse wrote:
I don't know about a better word, but the Newtons...even the early
ones...make fine PDAs. No "repurposing" required.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Cape Coral, FL
Apologies for
this, but what sort of politically correct homogenised
saccharined Americanised word is 'repurposed'?
I don't see it as any of those. What would you suggest instead? (In
case the meaning really isn't clear to you, to repurpose something is
to use it for a different purpose - different from *what* is generally
indicated by context (most commonly, different from what it is
currently being used for, or from what it was designed for).)
If you know of a better word for the meaning, I'd love to hear.
1:14 p.m.
Dave McGuire wrote:
der Mouse wrote:
I don't know about a better word, but the Newtons...even the early
ones...make fine PDAs. No "repurposing" required.
A bit large to truly be considered "portable". :-(
But, I could see replacing my (pen and paper) address book
with it. Though it appears not to have much memory (500K?).
And, the "fields" in their "Names" application are pretty
uninspired...
Apologies
for this, but what sort of politically correct homogenised
saccharined Americanised word is 'repurposed'?
I don't see it as any
of those. What would you suggest instead? (In
case the meaning really isn't clear to you, to repurpose something is
to use it for a different purpose - different from *what* is generally
indicated by context (most commonly, different from what it is
currently being used for, or from what it was designed for).)
If you know of a better word for the meaning, I'd love to hear.
2:14 p.m.
Don wrote:
I don't know about a better word, but the Newtons...even the early
ones...make fine PDAs. No "repurposing" required.
A bit large to truly be considered "portable". :-(
Yeah, which means it actually has a useful display, rather than the
smattering of a few pixels that the Palm and their ilk have. All the
world's a trade-off.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Cape Coral, FL
Apologies for
this, but what sort of politically correct homogenised
saccharined Americanised word is 'repurposed'?
I don't see it as any
of those. What would you suggest instead? (In
case the meaning really isn't clear to you, to repurpose something is
to use it for a different purpose - different from *what* is generally
indicated by context (most commonly, different from what it is
currently being used for, or from what it was designed for).)
If you know of a better word for the meaning, I'd love to hear. 
2:35 p.m.
>>> Yeah, which means it actually has a useful
display, rather than the
smattering of a few pixels that the Palm and their ilk
have
The original Newton has a screen resolution of 336x240. My brand-new Treo
700p has a resolution of 320x320 -- physically it's smaller but hardly a
"smattering of a few pixels."
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire at neurotica.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 5:14 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Subject: Re: Newton
Don wrote:
Apologies for
this, but what sort of politically correct
homogenised saccharined Americanised word is 'repurposed'?
I don't see
it as any of those. What would you suggest instead?
(In case the meaning really isn't clear to you, to repurpose
something is to use it for a different purpose - different from
*what* is generally indicated by context (most commonly, different
from what it is currently being used for, or from what it was
designed for).)
If you know of a better word for the meaning, I'd love to hear.
10 Aug
10 Aug
5:12 a.m.
Evan Koblentz wrote:
Well it's nice to see that the current Palm technology now has the
display resolution of the circa 1993 Newton. ;) [dave ducks]
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Cape Coral, FL
>>>
Yeah, which means it actually has a useful display, rather than the
smattering of a
few pixels that the Palm and their ilk have
The original Newton has a screen resolution of 336x240. My brand-new Treo
700p has a resolution of 320x320 -- physically it's smaller but hardly a
"smattering of a few pixels."
5:55 a.m.
>> Well it's nice to see that the current
Palm technology now has the
display resolution of the circa 1993 Newton. ;) [dave
ducks]
Hmm... My 700p is also my camera, MP3 player, cell phone, GPS, and a pretty
good PDA too.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire at neurotica.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:13 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Subject: Re: Newton
Evan Koblentz wrote:
>>>
Yeah, which means it actually has a useful display, rather than
>>> the
smattering of a few pixels that the Palm and their ilk have
The original Newton has a screen resolution of 336x240. My brand-new
Treo 700p has a resolution of 320x320 -- physically it's smaller but
hardly a "smattering of a few pixels." 
6:19 a.m.
Am 10 Aug 2006 8:55 meinte Evan Koblentz:
>> Well
it's nice to see that the current Palm technology now has the
display
resolution of the circa 1993 Newton. ;) [dave ducks] Hmm... My 700p is also my camera, MP3 player, cell
phone, GPS, and a pretty
good PDA too.
Well, MP3 wasn't an issue back then, but My Newt2k did
quite well work as camera (Sony-PCMCIA Card) Phone (GSM)
and music player, (Not to mention getting Yahoo-Maps from
the GPS coordinates feed in from a serial GPS device -
beside beeing a real PDA, instead of just a shrinked
computer ...
Still, I have to admit beeing wrong - when the Newt was
discontinued, I predicted that Palm will need 5 years
to catch up with the newt - hardwarewise they did, but
the OS and the Apps are still nowhere near - And WinCE
even worse.
H.
--
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http://www.vcfe.org/
1:30 p.m.
Evan Koblentz wrote:
B-P
;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Cape Coral, FL
>> Well
it's nice to see that the current Palm technology now has the
display
resolution of the circa 1993 Newton. ;) [dave ducks]
Hmm... My 700p is also my camera, MP3 player, cell phone, GPS, and a pretty
good PDA too.
1:38 p.m.
B-P? Huh?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire at neurotica.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:31 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Subject: Re: Newton
Evan Koblentz wrote:
B-P
;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Cape Coral, FL
>> Well
it's nice to see that the current Palm technology now has the
display
resolution of the circa 1993 Newton. ;) [dave ducks]
Hmm... My 700p is also my camera, MP3 player, cell phone, GPS, and a
pretty good PDA too.
11 Aug
11 Aug
5:44 a.m.
It's the snazzy "I'm sticking my tongue out at you" emoticon. Sigh,
Palm users. ;) [dave ducks, again!]
-Dave
Evan Koblentz wrote:
B-P? Huh?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire at neurotica.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:31 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Subject: Re: Newton
Evan Koblentz wrote:
B-P
;)
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Cape Coral, FL
--
Dave McGuire
Cape Coral, FL
>>
Well it's nice to see that the current Palm technology now has the
display
resolution of the circa 1993 Newton. ;) [dave ducks]
Hmm... My 700p is also my camera, MP3 player, cell phone, GPS, and a
pretty good PDA too.
5:57 a.m.
I get it now, someone wrote to me off-list ... anyway if you really want to
debate PDAs then let's start the conversation in 1975, not 1993
(http://www.snarc.net/pda/pda-treatise.htm ... there are some updates that I
haven't had time to make yet.)
- Evan (a.k.a. the Evil Top Poster)
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire at neurotica.com]
Sent: Friday, August 11, 2006 8:44 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Subject: Re: Newton
It's the snazzy "I'm sticking my tongue out at you" emoticon. Sigh,
Palm users. ;) [dave ducks, again!]
-Dave
Evan Koblentz wrote:
B-P? Huh?
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave McGuire [mailto:mcguire at neurotica.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 4:31 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Only
Subject: Re: Newton
Evan Koblentz wrote:
B-P
;)
-Dave
>>
Well it's nice to see that the current Palm technology now has the
display
resolution of the circa 1993 Newton. ;) [dave ducks]
Hmm... My 700p is also my camera, MP3 player, cell phone, GPS, and a
pretty good PDA too. 
10 Aug
10 Aug
6:37 a.m.
Rumor has it that Dave McGuire may have mentioned these words:
Evan Koblentz wrote:
Well it's nice to see that the current Palm technology now has the
display resolution of the circa 1993 Newton. ;) [dave ducks]
[ Boot goes whizzing by Dave's head... and up here in Michigan, they're
*heavy* winter boots! ;-) ]
My nearly 5-year-old Sony Clie has a 480x320 screen w/256K colors. And yes,
it still has the Dragonball CPU in it, a smokin' 66Mhz.
Now if Radisys would allow an OS-9 port for it... it would be close to
*perfect*.
Oh, and it makes a *schweet* remote, too - no hacking involved.
Assuming I can keep getting batteries for it every 3 years, it'll prolly be
ontopic before I "upgrade." ;-) And something tells me I'll *still* be
hard-pressed to find a display as nice as what I have now.
Laterz,
Roger "Merch" Merchberger
--
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_??_ zmerch at 30below.com
(?||?) If at first you don't succeed, nuclear warhead
_)(_ disarmament should *not* be your first career choice.
>>> Yeah, which means it actually has a useful display, rather than the
smattering of a few pixels that the Palm and their ilk have
The original Newton has a screen resolution of 336x240. My brand-new Treo
700p has a resolution of 320x320 -- physically it's smaller but hardly a
"smattering of a few pixels."
12:53 a.m.
Am 9 Aug 2006 13:14 meinte Don:
Dave McGuire wrote:
> der Mouse wrote:
>>> Apologies for this, but what sort of politically correct homogenised
>>> saccharined Americanised word is 'repurposed'?
>> I don't see it as any of those. What would you suggest instead? (In
>> case the meaning really isn't clear to you, to repurpose something is
>> to use it for a different purpose - different from *what* is generally
>> indicated by context (most commonly, different from what it is
>> currently being used for, or from what it was designed for).)
>> If you know of a better word for the meaning,
I'd love to hear.
> I don't know about a better word, but the
Newtons...even the early
> ones...make fine PDAs. No "repurposing" required.
A bit large to truly be considered
"portable". :-(
But, I could see replacing my (pen and paper) address book
with it. Though it appears not to have much memory (500K?).
And, the "fields" in their "Names" application are pretty
uninspired...
Do your own version. Thanks to the awsome concept, you
don't have to programm a whole application, just one new
form.
Gruss
H.
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http://www.vcfe.org/
9 Aug
9 Aug
3:09 p.m.
> Apologies for this, but what sort of politically
correct homogenised
> saccharined Americanised word is 'repurposed'?
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, der
Mouse wrote:
I don't see it as any of those. What would you
suggest instead? (In
case the meaning really isn't clear to you, to repurpose something is
to use it for a different purpose - different from *what* is generally
indicated by context (most commonly, different from what it is
currently being used for, or from what it was designed for).)
If you know of a better word for the meaning, I'd love to hear.
OK,
WHEN did "purpose" become a verb?
3:11 p.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
Lots of words are being verbed these days. Hasn't someone texted you
about that?
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Cape Coral, FL
> Apologies
for this, but what sort of politically correct homogenised
> saccharined Americanised word is 'repurposed'?
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, der
Mouse wrote:
I don't see it as any of those. What would
you suggest instead? (In
case the meaning really isn't clear to you, to repurpose something is
to use it for a different purpose - different from *what* is generally
indicated by context (most commonly, different from what it is
currently being used for, or from what it was designed for).)
If you know of a better word for the meaning, I'd love to hear.
OK,
WHEN did "purpose" become a verb? 
3:18 p.m.
Fred Cisin wrote:
"Purpose" isn't. "Repurpose" is.
Pat
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> Apologies
for this, but what sort of politically correct homogenised
> saccharined Americanised word is 'repurposed'?
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, der Mouse wrote:
I don't see it as any of those. What would
you suggest instead? (In
case the meaning really isn't clear to you, to repurpose something is
to use it for a different purpose - different from *what* is generally
indicated by context (most commonly, different from what it is
currently being used for, or from what it was designed for).)
If you know of a better word for the meaning, I'd love to hear.
OK,
WHEN did "purpose" become a verb?
3:16 p.m.
Apologies for this, but what sort of [] word is
'repurposed'?
What would you suggest instead? (In case the meaning really
isn't
clear to you, to repurpose something is to use it for a different
purpose - [...].) If you know of a better word for the meaning, I'd
love to hear.
10:33 a.m.
Adrian Graham wrote:
Hey, it's not ALL of us Americans. The marketroid-suits have totally
taken over this country. Every restaurant is now a "bistro", every used
car is now "pre-owned", every trashy apartment is now a "town house"
or
a "coach home"...the list goes on and on.
Languages do evolve over time, but knowing that has really provided
very little solace in the face of all this mess.
-Dave
--
Dave McGuire
Cape Coral, FL
Pulled a
Newton (110?) out of the trash today
(complete with power, faxmodem, carrying case, etc.)
Appears to work.
Can these be repurposed? Or, is it just an oversized,
underpowered "notepad"?
Apologies for this, but what sort of politically correct homogenised
saccharined Americanised word is 'repurposed'? I don't want to get off on a
rant here but I already thought the second-hand market was going nuts with
words like 'pre-owned' and 'pre-loved' but 'repurposed?' 
11:11 a.m.
On Wed, 9 Aug 2006, Dave McGuire wrote:
Hey, it's not ALL of us Americans. The
marketroid-suits have totally
taken over this country. Every restaurant is now a "bistro", every used
car is now "pre-owned", every trashy apartment is now a "town house"
or
a "coach home"...the list goes on and on.
They're calling them "apartment homes" over here in the DC suburbs.
Perhaps they want to be clear that they're not leasing you an "apartment
office" or "apartment storage space". Down with ambiguity! :-)
Alexey
12:39 p.m.
"Repurposing"?
Feh--you guys'd be roadkill in the costmetics advertising game.
"Reapplicationizing"
Cheers,
Chuck
1:13 p.m.
On Wednesday 09 August 2006 03:39 pm, Chuck Guzis wrote:
"Repurposing"?
Feh--you guys'd be roadkill in the costmetics advertising game.
"Reapplicationizing"
Ick.
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7:25 a.m.
Don wrote:
Pulled a Newton (110?) out of the trash today
(complete with power, faxmodem, carrying case, etc.)
Appears to work.
Can these be repurposed? Or, is it just an oversized,
underpowered "notepad"?
They are quite nice, but 120's and 130's have much better handwriting
recognition, and the 2100 is the best/most useful of the Newton line.
But of course, you can't beat free. :-) 110's can be quite useful in
various ways, such as a graphics tablet with the right drivers on the
PC/Mac end, or as remote controls, and of course as they're intended: as
PDA's.
Start here: http://www.unna.org/ and http://www.newtontalk.net/ Note
that there is a huge Newton community out there.
8:28 p.m.
Ray Arachelian wrote:
Don wrote:
Yes, as they say, "The price was right" :>
Pulled a Newton (110?) out of the trash today
(complete with power, faxmodem, carrying case, etc.)
Appears to work.
Can these be repurposed? Or, is it just an oversized,
underpowered "notepad"?
They are quite nice, but 120's and 130's have much better handwriting
recognition, and the 2100 is the best/most useful of the Newton line.
But of course, you can't beat free. :-) 110's can be quite useful in
various ways, such as a graphics tablet with the right drivers on the
PC/Mac end, or as remote controls, and of course as they're intended: as
PDA's.
It would be a realistic (not just a toy) replacement for my
pen&paper address book (which always sits in my desk drawer)
as it would give me some added flexibility (i.e. search).
But, I would have to extend it's current "Names" implementation.
And, figure out how to back it all up to a PC/Mac.
Start here: http://www.unna.org/ and
http://www.newtontalk.net/ Note
that there is a huge Newton community out there.
Thanks!
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