27 Jul
2001
27 Jul
'01
3:20 a.m.
But all that aside, see my previous message: security,
physical or
virtual, is YOUR responsiblity. If you don't want anyone coming into your
house or your server, LOCK THEM UP! Did they still get in? You didn't
use good enough locks. Try again.
OH... I see... The victim has primary responsiblity for the crime. I must
admit, I do agree with your statement "LOCK THEM UP". But it's not the house
or the server that shuold be locked up, it's the CRIMINALS!
SteveRob
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27 Jul
27 Jul
7:34 a.m.
But all that
aside, see my previous message: security, physical or
virtual, is YOUR responsiblity. If you don't want anyone coming into your
house or your server, LOCK THEM UP! Did they still get in? You didn't
use good enough locks. Try again.
OH... I see... The victim has primary responsiblity for the crime. I must
admit, I do agree with your statement "LOCK THEM UP". But it's not the
house
or the server that shuold be locked up, it's the CRIMINALS! 
8:09 a.m.
You're right, Mike, but people who trespassing onto the "attractive
nuissance"
should be shot before they drown.
You have YOUR stuff and I have MINE. You have your private space and I have
mine. I have both the right and responsibility to protect my private space and
my property. The courts have upheld the property owner's right to apply deadly
force in protecting his/her own life/property. This presents an option to other
forms of population/pest control that some might find attractive. Now all we
need is a way to transmit deadly force over the internet.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Ford" <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:34 AM
Subject: Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited
I think a server on a high bandwidth connection with the default root and
password could easily be considered an attractive nuisance. Just like a
backyard swimming pool with no fence or lock on the gate.
But all that aside, see my previous message: security,
physical or
virtual, is YOUR responsiblity. If you don't want anyone coming into your
house or your server, LOCK THEM UP! Did they still get in? You didn't
use good enough locks. Try again.
OH... I see... The victim has primary responsiblity for the crime. I must
admit, I do agree with your statement "LOCK THEM UP". But it's not the
house
or the server that shuold be locked up, it's the CRIMINALS! 
8:34 a.m.
You're right, Mike, but people who trespassing onto the "attractive
nuissance"
should be shot before they drown.
You have YOUR stuff and I have MINE. You have your private space and I have
mine. I have both the right and responsibility to protect my private space and
my property. The courts have upheld the property owner's right to apply deadly
force in protecting his/her own life/property. This presents an option to other
forms of population/pest control that some might find attractive. Now all we
need is a way to transmit deadly force over the internet.
Have you read Neuromance by William Gibson? In the book they have computer
protection called "Black ICE" which can kill someone trying to break into a
computer over the network.. The novel was written *long* before the internet
we know today.
Cheers,
Bryan
9:25 a.m.
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Bryan Pope wrote:
Have you read Neuromance by William Gibson? In the book they have
computer protection called "Black ICE" which can kill someone trying
to break into a computer over the network.
If I remember correctly, the 'netrunner' character class in the Cyberpunk
RPG has a direct neural interface to the net, and (h|cr)ack with it. The
danger in that comes from the ability of the netrunner's adversaries to
crack into that interface and do nasty things like stop the netrunner's
heart.
Gives a whole new meaning to "reach out and touch someone".
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
9:44 a.m.
During "Operation Sundevil", the feds kicked down a lot of doors looking
for the "cyberdecks" that amplify brainwaves for cracking systems.
They never did acknowledge that they were mistaken, nor that Steve Jackson
Games was involved in SCIENCE FICTION, not real overthrow of the guvmint.
But they did eventually return most of the pieces of his hard drives,
motherboards, etc.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Bryan Pope wrote:
Have you read Neuromance by William Gibson? In the book they have
computer protection called "Black ICE" which can kill someone trying
to break into a computer over the network.
If I remember correctly, the 'netrunner' character class in the Cyberpunk
RPG has a direct neural interface to the net, and (h|cr)ack with it. The
danger in that comes from the ability of the netrunner's adversaries to
crack into that interface and do nasty things like stop the netrunner's
heart.
Gives a whole new meaning to "reach out and touch someone".
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
10:21 a.m.
During "Operation Sundevil", the feds kicked down a lot of doors looking
for the "cyberdecks" that amplify brainwaves for cracking systems.
And I thought the X-Files was make-believe...
They never did acknowledge that they were mistaken, nor that Steve Jackson
Games was involved in SCIENCE FICTION, not real overthrow of the guvmint.
But they did eventually return most of the pieces of his hard drives,
motherboards, etc.
Bryan
10:34 a.m.
On 27 Jul 2001 12:15:56 +0100, "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> wrote:
UNIX is for masochists.
Whip me, beat me, fsck me!
-ethan
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11:48 a.m.
On 27 Jul 2001 12:15:56 +0100, "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> wrote:
UNIX is for masochists.
If UNIX is for masochists, then it only stands to reason that
Microsoft products are the choice of very twisted and perverted
masochists seeking brutally painful methods of brain damage.
--
Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
4:38 p.m.
R. D. Davis skrev:
On 27 Jul 2001 12:15:56 +0100, "Iggy Drougge"
<optimus(a)canit.se> wrote:
> UNIX is for masochists.
If UNIX is for masochists, then it only stands to
reason that
Microsoft products are the choice of very twisted and perverted
masochists seeking brutally painful methods of brain damage.
As you said, it stands to reason.
--
En ligne avec Thor 2.6a.
Die Malerei ist stumme Poesie, die Poesie blinde Malerei.
--- Leonardo da Vinci
28 Jul
28 Jul
2:56 a.m.
On 27 Jul 2001
12:15:56 +0100, "Iggy Drougge" <optimus(a)canit.se> wrote:
....make me use BLISS!!!
g. UNIX is for masochists.
Whip me, beat me, fsck me!
27 Jul
27 Jul
10:18 a.m.
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
Gives a whole new meaning to "reach out and touch
someone".
That reminds of of that movie from years back: "Number 5 is Alive;" I
think that was the correct title. In the movie, someone was
electrocuting people by sending a high-voltage/current spike through
the telephone network to their telephones. This was back before
electronic switching systems were in wide-spread use. The movie
showed lots of banks of the old step-by-step switches with all of the
selectors and connctors moving about. It was really neat to see all
of that equipment in motion; they showed how calls were, supposedly,
traced.
Its a shame that that AT&T insisted on scrapping all of those old bits
of equipment; when I worked there back in the mid 1980s, in a
department that did central office planning and was still working with
that old switching equipment, I was told that I couldn't purchase, or
otherwise obtain, any of it, that the company's policy was to scrap
it. :-(
--
Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such
http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify much human cruelty.
10:39 a.m.
New subject: Classic phone equipment (was Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited)
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:18:12PM -0400, R. D. Davis wrote:
Its a shame that that AT&T insisted on scrapping
all of those old bits
of equipment; when I worked there back in the mid 1980s, in a
department that did central office planning and was still working with
that old switching equipment, I was told that I couldn't purchase, or
otherwise obtain, any of it, that the company's policy was to scrap
it. :-(
It does survive in a few places. See
http://www.scn.org/tech/telmuseum/index.html
for one such place (in Seattle).
30 Jul
30 Jul
5:33 a.m.
New subject: Classic phone equipment (was Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited)
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001 12:39:12 -0700 Derek Peschel
<dpeschel(a)eskimo.com> wrote:
Also:
http://www.light-straw.co.uk/
for a UK equivalent. The name "Light Straw" is the colour
of the paint used on old Post Office telephone racks, a bit
like beige only more yellow.
--
John Honniball
Email: John.Honniball(a)uwe.ac.uk
University of the West of England
On Fri, Jul 27, 2001 at 03:18:12PM -0400, R. D. Davis
wrote:
Its a shame
that that AT&T insisted on scrapping all of those old bits
of equipment; when I worked there back in the mid 1980s, in a
department that did central office planning and was still working with
that old switching equipment, I was told that I couldn't purchase, or
otherwise obtain, any of it, that the company's policy was to scrap
it. :-(
It does survive in a few places. See
http://www.scn.org/tech/telmuseum/index.html 
6:18 a.m.
New subject: Classic phone equipment (was Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited)
While not CO related, there are some neat finds to be had at
http://www.oldphones.com.
g.
27 Jul
27 Jul
12:31 p.m.
Golly! I remember that movie, but IIRC, it was part of an afternoon TV serial.
I remember the scene where the sleepy cop has the phone up to his ear backwards,
thereby thwarting the bad guy's attempt to dispense with him.
That "Number 5 is Alive" is was a sequel to a different movie, one that my kids
liked pretty well, as it was about a robot and its builder.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "R. D. Davis" <rdd(a)smart.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:18 PM
Subject: Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Jeffrey S. Sharp wrote:
such
Gives a whole new meaning to "reach out and
touch someone".
That reminds of of that movie from years back: "Number 5 is Alive;" I
think that was the correct title. In the movie, someone was
electrocuting people by sending a high-voltage/current spike through
the telephone network to their telephones. This was back before
electronic switching systems were in wide-spread use. The movie
showed lots of banks of the old step-by-step switches with all of the
selectors and connctors moving about. It was really neat to see all
of that equipment in motion; they showed how calls were, supposedly,
traced.
Its a shame that that AT&T insisted on scrapping all of those old bits
of equipment; when I worked there back in the mid 1980s, in a
department that did central office planning and was still working with
that old switching equipment, I was told that I couldn't purchase, or
otherwise obtain, any of it, that the company's policy was to scrap
it. :-(
--
Copyright (C) 2001 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals:
All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature &
rdd(a)rddavis.net 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify http://www.rddavis.net beliefs and to justify
much human cruelty.
5:39 p.m.
"Number Five is alive" was a *line* from the movie
Short Circuit
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
6:29 p.m.
Yup! That was it, but was it from the original or from the sequel?
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Megan" <mbg(a)world.std.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited
"Number Five is alive" was a *line* from the
movie
Short Circuit
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
28 Jul
28 Jul
5:01 a.m.
I remember the movie with the phone electrocution thing from back in the late
'50's, when I was in my early teens, and the Short-Circuit series from the
'80's
when my kids were not yet in their teens.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" <jss(a)subatomix.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote:
Yup! That was it, but was it from the original or from the sequel?
Both. I don't recall those movies ever having anything to do with
electrocuting people through telephones, though.
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
2:37 a.m.
"Number Five is alive" was a *line* from the
movie
Short Circuit
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
| Megan Gentry, EMT/B, PP-ASEL | Internet (work): gentry!zk3.dec.com |
| Unix Support Engineering Group | (home): mbg!world.std.com |
| Compaq Computer Corporation | addresses need '@' in place of '!' |
| 110 Spitbrook Rd. ZK03-2/T43 | URL: http://world.std.com/~mbg/ |
| Nashua, NH 03062 | "pdp-11 programmer - some assembler |
| (603) 884 1055 | required." - mbg KB1FCA |
+--------------------------------+-------------------------------------+
And the pulse of high voltage electricity routed around the world
was in Electric Dreams... (one of my favorite computer movies).
Bill
---
Bill Gates is a Persian cat and a monocle away from being a
villain in a James Bond movie -- Dennis Miller
bpechter@shell.monmouth.com|pechter@pechter.dyndns.org
6:12 a.m.
The reference to "Number Five" that I made was, indeed, to the Short Circuit
movie(s) that my kids watched when they were quite young. The movie I
remembered with the bad guy operating a big knife switch to electrocute someone
on the "other" end of the phone connection was an after-school TV serial I used
to watch back in the mid-'50's. It's still not quite sending "lethal
force" to
nail a hacker over the internet, but you get the picture ...
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Master of all that Sucks" <vance(a)ikickass.org>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 7:56 AM
Subject: Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited
I don't believe he's talking about "Short Circuit"
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Megan wrote:
"Number Five is alive" was a *line*
from the movie
Short Circuit
Megan Gentry
Former RT-11 Developer
4:25 p.m.
"Number
Five is alive."
Yup! That was it, but was it from the original or from the
sequel? 
27 Jul
27 Jul
5:59 p.m.
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Bryan Pope wrote:
But in this case it would be molten metal ;)
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
You have YOUR
stuff and I have MINE. You have your private space and I have
mine. I have both the right and responsibility to protect my private space and
my property. The courts have upheld the property owner's right to apply deadly
force in protecting his/her own life/property. This presents an option to other
forms of population/pest control that some might find attractive. Now all we
need is a way to transmit deadly force over the internet.
Have you read Neuromance by William Gibson? In the book they have
computer protection called "Black ICE" which can kill someone trying
to break into a computer over the network.. The novel was written
*long* before the internet we know today.
9:30 a.m.
You're right, Mike, but people who trespassing onto
the "attractive nuissance"
should be shot before they drown.
You have YOUR stuff and I have MINE. You have your private space and I have
mine. I have both the right and responsibility to protect my private
space and
my property. The courts have upheld the property owner's right to apply
deadly
force in protecting his/her own life/property. This presents an option to
other
When did this happen? Everything I have read says property no, life or
injury yes, ie somebody trashing your car you don't get to shoot. I have no
property worth someones life.
12:26 p.m.
I don't know about you, but ALL my property, even the contents of my dumpster,
is worth more than the life, or, in fact, the combined lives, of all the thieves
in the world. They effectively relinquished their right to life by stealing
your right to property and privacy.
You can plug a thief any time you like, provided you don't allow the appearance
that he's trying to escape. If you don't kill him, you should be charged with
discharing a firearm into a public nuissance.
Nobody should be in your house unless you wish it so. If they are, and they
refuse to leave the premises, and leave YOUR property behind, they should be
dealt with appropriately. YOU, as the offended party, get to decide whether
that involves the local authorities or not.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Ford" <mikeford(a)socal.rr.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited
>You're right, Mike, but people who trespassing
onto the "attractive
nuissance"
should be shot
before they drown.
You have YOUR stuff and I have MINE. You have your private space and I have
mine. I have both the right and responsibility to protect my private
space and
my property. The courts have upheld the property owner's right to apply
deadly
force in protecting his/her own life/property. This presents an option to
other
When did this happen? Everything I have read says property no, life or
injury yes, ie somebody trashing your car you don't get to shoot. I have no
property worth someones life.
8:18 p.m.
Dick,
Even your dumpster? Haven't you ever gotten a computer out of a
dumpster?
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Richard Erlacher wrote:
I don't know about you, but ALL my property, even the contents of my dumpster,
is worth more than the life, or, in fact, the combined lives, of all the thieves
in the world. They effectively relinquished their right to life by stealing
your right to property and privacy.
28 Jul
28 Jul
5:06 a.m.
No, though I've put a few in there. I have gotten some pretty good bridge
controllers, etc, from the dumpster's overflow.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chad Fernandez" <fernande(a)internet1.net>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited
Dick,
Even your dumpster? Haven't you ever gotten a computer out of a
dumpster?
Chad Fernandez
Michigan, USA
Richard Erlacher wrote:
>
> I don't know about you, but ALL my property, even the contents of my
dumpster,
> is worth more than the life, or, in fact, the
combined lives, of all the
thieves
in the world.
They effectively relinquished their right to life by stealing
your right to property and privacy.
29 Jul
29 Jul
2:28 a.m.
On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote:
No, though I've put a few in there. I have gotten
some pretty good bridge
controllers, etc, from the dumpster's overflow.
GUILTY!!!
Send him to the molten iron vat!
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
8:27 a.m.
HEY! What's in YOUR dumpster is private. YOU pay the rent on the thing, after
all. What's lying in the alley NEXT TO the dumpster because you or someone else
failed to put it in the dumpster is another matter. It is, after all, in the
public right-of-way.
Those aluminum cans belong the trash hauler once you put them in the dumpster,
but if you miss, they belong to the street-people, since it's unlikely your
hauler will pick them up.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo(a)siconic.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited
On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote:
No, though I've put a few in there. I have
gotten some pretty good bridge
controllers, etc, from the dumpster's overflow.
GUILTY!!!
Send him to the molten iron vat!
Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
27 Jul
27 Jul
8:53 p.m.
I don't know about you, but ALL my property, even
the contents of my dumpster,
Do you have some kind of auto TROLL software?
If your honest opinion is that some poor old mental case living on the
street and fishing soda cans out the dumpster to buy some cheap wine
deserves to be shot, then you have my pity. surely you have none of your
own.
29 Jul
29 Jul
6:55 a.m.
You mean a kill file only kills email!!!! DAMN!!!! All these years
I thought I was doing the gene pool some good...
<grin>
Clint
On Sat, 28 Jul 2001, Mike Ford wrote:
Use your kill file, Mike.
I am too gentle to even kill email. ;)
Peace, Mike Ford
I don't
know about you, but ALL my property, even the contents of
my dumpster,
Do you have some kind of auto TROLL software?
7:37 a.m.
New subject: Looking for documentation for EMC memory boards
Reply off list plz... Traffic is getting way to high...
Thanks!
clint
27 Jul
27 Jul
9:36 a.m.
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote:
You're right, Mike, but people who trespassing
onto the "attractive
nuissance" should be shot before they drown. You have YOUR stuff and I
have MINE. You have your private space and I have mine. I have both
the right and responsibility to protect my private space and my
property. The courts have upheld the property owner's right to apply
deadly force in protecting his/her own life/property.
Only in Texas. Throughout the rest of the country, "self defence" only
applies if you have reasonable cause to feel that you are in danger.
Only in Texas is it legal to shoot somebody in the back when they are
running off with your walkman. The rest of the country takes a view that
life is more valuable than property. In fact, it is even considered
murder to setup a shotgun with a trip wire. Therefore, if you are
regularly and often dealing with it, perhaps you should have a supply of
loaner weapons for "guests".
This presents
an option to other forms of population/pest control that some might
find attractive. Now all we need is a way to transmit deadly force
over the internet.
So, Richard's next major project will be a way to transmit molten iron?
Why be so gentle? Why not REALLY make them suffer? Sign them up for
MICROS~1 beta programs.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred
11:26 a.m.
Only in Texas
is it legal to shoot somebody in the back when they are
running off with your walkman.
Is that tongue-in-cheek, or are you serious?
12:34 p.m.
Hey! That Texas is all right! And they have no personal income tax ...
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey S. Sharp" <jss(a)subatomix.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
Only in Texas is it legal to shoot somebody in the back when they are
running off with your walkman.
Is that tongue-in-cheek, or are you serious?
--
Jeffrey S. Sharp
jss(a)subatomix.com
12:20 p.m.
When there get to be enough thieves that those law abiding citizens who get
robbed become tired of it, the law may change to the extent that your property
becomes worth more than the fleas that choose to steal it. In the meantime,
we'll just have to make stew out of their flesh, cat food from their innards,
and fertilizer from their bones ... <sigh> at least that way they serve SOME
useful purpose. Is it really worth the effort?
more below ...
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin(a)xenosoft.com>
To: <classiccmp(a)classiccmp.org>
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2001 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: Hackers: Computer Outlaws revisited
On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote:
The molten iron treatment is reserved for halftime at the superbowl so as to
make an appropriate example of the sorts that disregard laws as a matter of
habit.
You're right, Mike, but people who
trespassing onto the "attractive
nuissance" should be shot before they drown. You have YOUR stuff and I
have MINE. You have your private space and I have mine. I have both
the right and responsibility to protect my private space and my
property. The courts have upheld the property owner's right to apply
deadly force in protecting his/her own life/property.
Only in Texas. Throughout the rest of the country, "self defence" only
applies if you have reasonable cause to feel that you are in danger.
Only in Texas is it legal to shoot somebody in the back when they are
running off with your walkman. The rest of the country takes a view that
life is more valuable than property. In fact, it is even considered
murder to setup a shotgun with a trip wire. Therefore, if you are
regularly and often dealing with it, perhaps you should have a supply of
loaner weapons for "guests".
This presents
an option to other forms of population/pest control that some might
find attractive. Now all we need is a way to transmit deadly force
over the internet.
So, Richard's next major project will be a way to transmit molten iron?
Why be so gentle? Why not REALLY make them suffer? Sign them up for
MICROS~1 beta programs.
They'd sue us for treating them badly, just as the parents sue teachers for
making kids sit in their chairs rather than running around the classroom
attacking other kids.
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred
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celigne＠tinyworld.co.uk -
cisin＠xenosoft.com -
cmcmanis＠mcmanis.com -
dittman＠dittman.net -
dpeschel＠eskimo.com -
edick＠idcomm.com -
ethan_dicks＠yahoo.com -
fernande＠internet1.net -
foo＠siconic.com -
geneb＠deltasoft.com -
John.Honniball＠uwe.ac.uk -
jss＠subatomix.com -
mbg＠world.std.com -
mikeford＠socal.rr.com -
optimus＠canit.se -
pechter＠bg-tc-ppp1689.monmouth.com -
rdd＠smart.net -
steven_j_robertson＠hotmail.com -
vance＠ikickass.org -
vaxman＠qwest.net