23 Apr
2019
23 Apr
'19
5:34 p.m.
This may be a silly question... but how can I transfer a text file from my
PC into SIMH for PDP-11?
Is it even possible to create a disk or tape image from source code?
Attaching files requires them to be images...
I have significant changes to make to TSGEN.MAC (TSX-Plus definitions file)
and it will be MUCH easier to edit it on my laptop with a screen editor,
than in SIMH (or on the real hardware) using the line editors!
The only method that comes to mind is to start the actual 11/23+, open the
text editor for input, then use a terminal program like Teraterm to "play"
the file as though I were typing it in.
But I don't have the rest of the TSX-Plus source files, linker, etc. so I
would have to transfer them using VTserver anyway...
thoughts?
thanks
Charles
23 Apr
23 Apr
5:57 p.m.
On Apr 23, 2019, at 5:34 PM, Charles via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
This may be a silly question... but how can I transfer a text file from my PC into SIMH
for PDP-11?
I've found the most convenient way to do this, for a file or two at a time, is to use
the paper tape reader/punch devices. These can be attached directly to single files on
the SIMH host, then the contents can be copied into or out of a simulated OS with PIP, cp,
etc.
--FritzM.
7:16 p.m.
On 4/23/19 8:57 PM, Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote:
Two more options.
Get PUTR from dbit.com and use it to move the files onto an image
you can then mount under SIMH.
Or, KERMIT.
bill
On Apr 23, 2019, at 5:34 PM, Charles via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
This may be a silly question... but how can I transfer a text file from my PC into SIMH
for PDP-11?
I've found the most convenient way to do this, for a file or two at a time, is to use
the paper tape reader/punch devices. These can be attached directly to single files on
the SIMH host, then the contents can be copied into or out of a simulated OS with PIP, cp,
etc.
8:08 p.m.
On 4/23/19 8:57 PM, Fritz Mueller via cctalk wrote:
Two more options.
Get PUTR from dbit.com and use it to move the files onto an image
you can then mount under SIMH.
Or, KERMIT.
bill
=========================================================
Thanks... unfortunately I'm running 64-bit Windows and just discovered PUTR
will only run on a 32-bit (or even older) machine.
There was some interest in 2016 about an updated version but I can't find
one.
I've got an ancient XP box upstairs that I use as a smart terminal for the
PDP-8 (and PDP-11).
So now I get to have fun getting an XP machine to network with a Win7. Sigh.
On Apr 23, 2019, at 5:34 PM, Charles via cctalk
<cctalk at
classiccmp.org> wrote:
This may be a silly question... but how can I transfer a text file from
my PC into SIMH for PDP-11?
I've found the most convenient way to do this, for a file or two at a
time, is to use the paper tape reader/punch devices. These can be
attached directly to single files on the SIMH host, then the contents can
be copied into or out of a simulated OS with PIP, cp, etc.
8:30 p.m.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 8:08 PM Charles via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Get PUTR from dbit.com and use it to move the files onto an image
you can then mount under SIMH.
=========================================================
Thanks... unfortunately I'm running 64-bit Windows and just discovered PUTR
will only run on a 32-bit (or even older) machine.
Maybe install Oracle VM VirtualBox (freely available as Open Source
Software) on your 64-bit Windows system and run a 16-bit or 32-bit
environment inside of that which can run PUTR. (Or install some other
VM software of your choice).
I run Windows 2000 inside of VirtualBox occasionally when I need to
run some old 16-bit code that won't run in a 64-bit environment. Files
can easily be moved between the VM and the host system.
I used PUTR in the past when I wanted to assemble some code with the
RT-11 assembler but wanted to edit the source code elsewhere and then
transfer the code into a SIMH disk image.
24 Apr
24 Apr
9:18 a.m.
On Wed, 24 Apr 2019 at 05:08, Charles via cctalk <cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
Thanks... unfortunately I'm running 64-bit Windows
and just discovered PUTR
will only run on a 32-bit (or even older) machine.
32-bit code _should_ run on 64-bit Win7/8.x/10. 16-bit code won't.
Win7 has "XP Mode", which is a free download. It is MS VirtualPC plus
a preinstalled, preactivated Win XP VM.
It is possible to download run this VM image separately and run it
under other hypervisors -- I described how here:
https://www.theregister.co.uk/Print/2014/04/10/how_to_run_xp_on_new_windows/
What I dodged around is that you need a licence. Cracking it is also
an option, of course.
It just ended this month but there is also a legal hack to get another
5y of updates for XP.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/05/26/german_tinkerer_gets_around_xpocal…
Personally I used a 3rd party "distro" of XP called TinyXP (I used r9)
for years. I would not recommend this any more, TBH, but it's
possible.
The same person, "eXPerience", who made TinyXP also made a Tiny7. It
works but SP2 won't install, at which point they gave up.
You _could_ run 32-bit Win10 under VirtualBox. I've done it. It works
well, the ISO is a free download from Microsoft, and it's perfectly
usable without activation.
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7:33 a.m.
On Apr 23, 2019, at 8:34 PM, Charles via cctalk
<cctalk at classiccmp.org> wrote:
This may be a silly question... but how can I transfer a text file from my PC into SIMH
for PDP-11?
Is it even possible to create a disk or tape image from source code? Attaching files
requires them to be images...
It depends on the PDP-11 OS you're running. There are tools for operating on the file
systems inside image files for various file system types. John Wilson's PUTR tool is
one example. My "flx" tool is another, it works on RSTS file systems only.
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