15 Aug
2016
15 Aug
'16
7:58 a.m.
I was checking bitsavers for CDC 6600 manuals. There are a lot of other
models but nothing for the 6600. There is not on the web technically about
the 6600 other than excerpts of Gordon Bell's book (which I have been
reading "Computer Structures Readings and Examples, chapter 1-2, 39 touches
on the 6600)
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/cdc/
Here is a recent picture:
http://vintagecomputer.net/pictures/2016/CHM_California/CDC_6600_system.jpg
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Bill Degnan
15 Aug
15 Aug
8:19 a.m.
On 2016-08-15 10:58 AM, william degnan wrote:
I was checking bitsavers for CDC 6600 manuals. There
are a lot of other
models but nothing for the 6600. There is not on the web technically about
the 6600 other than excerpts of Gordon Bell's book (which I have been
reading "Computer Structures Readings and Examples, chapter 1-2, 39 touches
on the 6600)
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/cdc/
That's odd -- I thought there used to be CDC 6600 material here? Scope
manuals and such? Also the Grishman assembly language book was online --
might have been on bitsavers?
--Toby
Here is a recent picture:
http://vintagecomputer.net/pictures/2016/CHM_California/CDC_6600_system.jpg
8:25 a.m.
That's odd -- I thought there used to be CDC 6600 material here?
it's under Cyber
9:12 a.m.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:10 PM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
Maybe you meant the assembly lang book, but I looked for CDC 6600 manuals
in cyber. Not sure I would categorize the 6600 too deeply within Cyber.
I'd give it a category of it's own at the model number level.
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Bill Degnan
On 8/15/16 7:58 AM, william degnan wrote:
Where? I looked there too.
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Bill Degnan
I was checking bitsavers for CDC 6600 manuals.
they are under Cyber
9:19 a.m.
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/cdc/cyber/cyber_70/
has 6600, found it, thanks.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:12 PM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:10 PM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
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Bill Degnan
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
Maybe you meant the assembly lang book, but I looked for CDC 6600 manuals
in cyber. Not sure I would categorize the 6600 too deeply within Cyber.
I'd give it a category of it's own at the model number level.
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Bill Degnan
On 8/15/16 7:58 AM, william degnan wrote:
Where? I looked there too.
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Bill Degnan
I was checking bitsavers for CDC 6600 manuals.
they are under Cyber
9:21 a.m.
one last comment....learning here, did not know the connection between
cyber 70 and the 6600. Thanks
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
http://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/cdc/cyber/cyber_70/
has 6600, found it, thanks.
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:12 PM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
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Bill Degnan
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:10 PM, william degnan <billdegnan at gmail.com>
wrote:
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Bill Degnan
On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Al Kossow <aek at bitsavers.org> wrote:
Maybe you meant the assembly lang book, but I looked for CDC 6600 manuals
in cyber. Not sure I would categorize the 6600 too deeply within Cyber.
I'd give it a category of it's own at the model number level.
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Bill Degnan
On 8/15/16 7:58 AM, william degnan wrote:
> I was checking bitsavers for CDC 6600 manuals.
they are under Cyber
Where? I looked there too.
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Bill Degnan
9:40 a.m.
On Aug 15, 2016, at 12:21 PM, william degnan
<billdegnan at gmail.com> wrote:
one last comment....learning here, did not know the connection between
cyber 70 and the 6600. Thanks
It's a bit confusing if you don't know the CDC model numbering.
The 6000 series (of which the 6600 is the first) was also called the Cyber 70 seriess.
Except that the Cyber 76 is another name for the 7600, which is vaguely like the 6000
series but not compatible. All those machines are first generation, discrete transistor
machines.
The next series is the Cyber 170 series, IC based designs, compatible with the 6000 series
but faster. Once again, there's an oddball, the Cyber 176 which is a successor to the
76, in other words a 7000 series machine.
So you'd find CDC 6000 series documentation under Cyber 70, and also generic stuff
that carried across to later machines -- like I/O channel specifications.
paul
11:36 a.m.
On 08/15/2016 10:03 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 8/15/16 9:21 AM, william degnan wrote:
If you had a 6400 and a Cyber 73 sitting side-by-side, stripped of their
"skins", it would be difficult for the average person to tell the
difference.
CDC management went a bit bonkers, re-christening old hardware with the
"Cyber" tag. In particular, I observed that the STAR-100 was re-dubbed
the "Cyber 200" almost at the end of its product life. I'm not aware of
a 100 ever bearing the "CYBER" nameplate.
But at bitsavers, that's where you have to look--the "Cyber"
subdirectory--even though the 200 and its ilk had nothing in common with
the other machines dubbed "Cyber".
--Chuck
one last comment....learning here, did not know
the connection
between cyber 70 and the 6600. Thanks
yes, it's confusing and you aren't the first person confused by it.
11:43 a.m.
On Aug 15, 2016, at 2:36 PM, Chuck Guzis <cclist at
sydex.com> wrote:
On 08/15/2016 10:03 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
On 8/15/16 9:21 AM, william degnan wrote:
If you had a 6400 and a Cyber 73 sitting side-by-side, stripped of their
"skins", it would be difficult for the average person to tell the
difference. one last comment....learning here, did not know
the connection
between cyber 70 and the 6600. Thanks
yes, it's confusing and you aren't the first person confused by it. From what little I remember, in a few cases the only
difference was the sheet metal on the outside, and in some others it was some minor
optional features (compare/move unit standard vs. optional or optional vs. not available)
that were really totally arbitrary. By comparison, Ford and Mercury differ far more.
CDC management went a bit bonkers, re-christening old
hardware with the
"Cyber" tag.
You might with perfect validity just put a period after "bonkers" and omit the
limiting phrase. :-)
paul
12:17 p.m.
On 08/15/2016 11:43 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
Probably. I do remember a watershed moment in CDC history when the
number of Vice-Presidents reached a power of 2--128.
Normally, I'dve said that you couldn't tell the players without a
scorecard, but they didn't make scorecards that big.
--Chuck
CDC management
went a bit bonkers, re-christening old hardware with
the "Cyber" tag.
You might with perfect validity just put a period after "bonkers" and
omit the limiting phrase. :-)
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